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Post by Jackie Kong on Aug 10, 2018 20:29:28 GMT -5
We've been fishing offers for Jimmy Butler for a while now and this is the best offer to come. Honestly, this is the 1st time I hear you were looking at trade offers for Butler. x_x
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Paul Pierce
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Post by Paul Pierce on Aug 10, 2018 20:37:24 GMT -5
We've been fishing offers for Jimmy Butler for a while now and this is the best offer to come. Honestly, this is the 1st time I hear you were looking at trade offers for Butler. x_x he was in talks with me and Houston I know that. Not sure about the other teams offering
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Aug 10, 2018 20:39:32 GMT -5
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Post by Tracy McGrady on Aug 10, 2018 20:39:32 GMT -5
Honestly, this is the 1st time I hear you were looking at trade offers for Butler. x_x he was in talks with me and Houston I know that. Not sure about the other teams offering I can confirm that though I think I turned down the trade because of Jimmy's PO.
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Aug 10, 2018 20:55:49 GMT -5
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Post by Ron Artest(1x Champ) on Aug 10, 2018 20:55:49 GMT -5
We accept this trade. We've been fishing offers for Jimmy Butler for a while now and this is the best offer to come. We like Forbes and MPJ, 2 young guys who can potentially be good. Hill is alright, we might plan to move him before the season start. Trading Jimmy makes sense, but settling for Michael Porter(fresh off another back surgery) when the same team you’re trading with has Brown and Turner, you CAN get more. Butler is a top 15 player.
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Steve Jobs
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Post by Steve Jobs on Aug 10, 2018 20:58:30 GMT -5
Neither is available, if that changes anything for you.
Brown can be as good (or better) and Turner fills a role that Butler can’t so I wouldn’t be willing to make that deal.
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Paul Pierce
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Post by Paul Pierce on Aug 10, 2018 21:07:08 GMT -5
We accept this trade. We've been fishing offers for Jimmy Butler for a while now and this is the best offer to come. We like Forbes and MPJ, 2 young guys who can potentially be good. Hill is alright, we might plan to move him before the season start. Trading Jimmy makes sense, but settling for Michael Porter(fresh off another back surgery) when the same team you’re trading with has Brown and Turner, you CAN get more. Butler is a top 15 player. an expiring allstar goes for less than his current worth. No one is paying up for jimmy. Me and Houston both bowed out because he's on a 1 year deal. I accept this trade think Porter Forbes and hill is a decent haul for JB
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Jackie Kong
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Post by Jackie Kong on Aug 10, 2018 21:36:33 GMT -5
LOL. You said you wouldn't vote because of the ORL pick but then you accept after some weak arguments were presented. Just because 2-4 GMs didn't want to pay for Butler it doesn't mean he is not worth more than this. Fact is Butler was never on the trade block and was only with Magic for 2 months and a half.
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Paul Pierce
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Post by Paul Pierce on Aug 10, 2018 21:46:56 GMT -5
LOL. You said you wouldn't vote because of the ORL pick but then you accept after some weak arguments were presented. Just because 2-4 GMs didn't want to pay for Butler it doesn't mean he is not worth more than this. Fact is Butler was never on the trade block and was only with Magic for 2 months and a half. exactly only 2 and a half months! There's no loyalty to Orlando and a good chance he leaves. I wasn't gonna vote because I thought it wouldn't be needed. This is indeed a fair enough trade and think it's a good deal. Much better than I offered
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Post by Jackie Kong on Aug 10, 2018 21:57:26 GMT -5
LOL, No. Just no. I already replied to those things. I reject this trade. Magic might be trading their last asset with value for a young player with potential but possibly even more injury questions. Magic don't even have their own pick this year to justify this gamble. Magic's present and future looks awful after this if you ask me.
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Post by Paul Pierce on Aug 10, 2018 22:07:54 GMT -5
LOL, No. Just no. I already replied to those things. I reject this trade. Magic might be trading their last asset with value for a young player with potential but possibly even more injury questions. Magic don't even have their own pick this year to justify this gamble. Magic's present and future looks awful after this if you ask me. butlers got no value otherwise he'd have much better deals
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Post by Steve Jobs on Aug 10, 2018 22:11:47 GMT -5
LOL, No. Just no. I already replied to those things. I reject this trade. Magic might be trading their last asset with value for a young player with potential but possibly even more injury questions. Magic don't even have their own pick this year to justify this gamble. Magic's present and future looks awful after this if you ask me. LOL. I get the critique, but if MPJ plays even 10 years as a solid starter, that + Hill + Forbes is easily worth more than 1 year of Butler. That seems like a pretty reliable bet to me, even from a player with back issues, which is why I wanted to draft him anyway. It’s not like he’s the first NBA player ever to have back surgery and still play effective basketball afterwards, and it’s not like MPJ is the only piece of this trade.
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Post by Stuff The Magic Dragon on Aug 10, 2018 22:54:01 GMT -5
We accept this trade. We've been fishing offers for Jimmy Butler for a while now and this is the best offer to come. We like Forbes and MPJ, 2 young guys who can potentially be good. Hill is alright, we might plan to move him before the season start. Trading Jimmy makes sense, but settling for Michael Porter(fresh off another back surgery) when the same team you’re trading with has Brown and Turner, you CAN get more. Butler is a top 15 player. thing is, nobody wants to trade for Butler with a great young player cuz of his PO next year.
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Post by Stuff The Magic Dragon on Aug 10, 2018 22:54:48 GMT -5
We've been fishing offers for Jimmy Butler for a while now and this is the best offer to come. Honestly, this is the 1st time I hear you were looking at trade offers for Butler. x_x welp
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Aug 11, 2018 1:11:15 GMT -5
Can we talk about how the contract of George Hill has a fair to good chance of becoming a negative asset?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 1:25:47 GMT -5
Reject the value is not close po or not mpj is a walking injury, hill is terrible especially at that price and forbes sucks Part with one of your core or dont get jimmy!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 1:28:50 GMT -5
And for the record i would have done harris and walker bit was never even asked!
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Aug 11, 2018 1:35:34 GMT -5
Not officially voting, but pretty tempted to reject.
A Butler for MPJ deal in principle might be possible for me to accept, but the other pieces don't really add value as far as I'm concerned.
Obviously MPJ is an injury concern with a lot of talent--that in and of itself doesn't make him worthless, but I think it should temper his value. Any prospect has a range of outcomes in the league, and while I think that starter level at least would be pretty probable for him, the injury concerns have to be considered. His career could get completely de-railed. And if not, his injuries might hurt his athleticism, lowering his ceiling.
On Hill, what are y'all expecting from him? That he'll go back to Utah form? He didn't look like that level of player in SAC or CLE this year. If you looking at his career numbers, the trends don't really suggest to me that he's going to play that well again as much as they suggest that he was effective in that system that year. I'd be surprised if he went much more than 13/3/3 this year, and I'm expecting more like 10.5/2.5/3. He's a good player, but he's not a positive asset on that contract. Didn't Steve agree just last week that sending Ibaka for Zach Lavine was outrageous? Is Hill a better asset than Ibaka? I guess he is, but I think he's in the same tier of "guys who are good at basketball but not stars and are being paid like a star."
Forbes I'll admit I don't know a lot about, but I'm not even sure that guy has staying power in the league.
After writing it out, it's clear to me. I reject. Good trade Steve, but I don't think there's any way in hell you'd accept this if it was a trade you were voting on. I'd be shocked.
Stuff, good luck. Also why do you feel like you must trade Butler? Why not try to get him to stay?
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Post by Jackie Kong on Aug 11, 2018 1:47:30 GMT -5
The most nonsense argument in here is thinking there is not a market for Butler when he was never on the trade block. Unless you are getting a pretty good deal for your best player you probably want to let everyone know he is available before actually pulling the trigger. So, he negotiated with 3-4 gms? That is still only around 10% of the league.
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Post by Stuff The Magic Dragon on Aug 11, 2018 1:49:06 GMT -5
The most nonsense argument in here is thinking there is not a market for Butler when he was never on the trade block. Unless you are getting a pretty good deal for your best player you probably want to let everyone know he is available before actually pulling the trigger. So, he negotiated with 3-4 gms? That is still only around 10% of the league. Not officially voting, but pretty tempted to reject. A Butler for MPJ deal in principle might be possible for me to accept, but the other pieces don't really add value as far as I'm concerned. Obviously MPJ is an injury concern with a lot of talent--that in and of itself doesn't make him worthless, but I think it should temper his value. Any prospect has a range of outcomes in the league, and while I think that starter level at least would be pretty probable for him, the injury concerns have to be considered. His career could get completely de-railed. And if not, his injuries might hurt his athleticism, lowering his ceiling. On Hill, what are y'all expecting from him? That he'll go back to Utah form? He didn't look like that level of player in SAC or CLE this year. If you looking at his career numbers, the trends don't really suggest to me that he's going to play that well again as much as they suggest that he was effective in that system that year. I'd be surprised if he went much more than 13/3/3 this year, and I'm expecting more like 10.5/2.5/3. He's a good player, but he's not a positive asset on that contract. Didn't Steve agree just last week that sending Ibaka for Zach Lavine was outrageous? Is Hill a better asset than Ibaka? I guess he is, but I think he's in the same tier of "guys who are good at basketball but not stars and are being paid like a star." Forbes I'll admit I don't know a lot about, but I'm not even sure that guy has staying power in the league. After writing it out, it's clear to me. I reject. Good trade Steve, but I don't think there's any way in hell you'd accept this if it was a trade you were voting on. I'd be shocked. Stuff, good luck. Also why do you feel like you must trade Butler? Why not try to get him to stay? I'm not sending the offers, lol
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Post by Theodore Duncan on Aug 11, 2018 2:06:12 GMT -5
Hill is 32 years old already. I was surprised that he couldn't keep up that 17-18 level of playing for last year also. But since the drop off already happened, I really don't see him at this age ever getting back to a level which would not make that contract a huge negative. Stuff.. If you are looking to move that contract be prepared to give up at least 1st round pick just to get rid of it. If that even gets it done. Probably not
There was a reason MPJ fall that hard. Dude is gonna have (had already?) another big back surgery at that age. I think he can become a good player, but chances for the cinderella story of overcoming this huge injury and becoming a superstar even at Jimmy Butler levels is gonna be pretty slim... I don't think he can reach those levels when having to worry about re-injuring his back.. not been able to train 100%. limit playing time etc. Even one more set-back could completely lower his ceiling significantly
I like the framework of the trade itself. For both teams something like this makes sense. But Orlando needs to ask for much much more than this. 1st round picks, Murray, Brown, something. You are giving the superstar here. You don't need to settle for something ok. There is zero chance Butler would not re-sign in a good team like OKC when they are able to offer more years than others, so for OKC is not really paying here for just one year of Butler. Reject
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Aug 11, 2018 3:10:47 GMT -5
Hard to guess how MPJ will turn out, but Gallinari feels like an alright comparison to me
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Aug 11, 2018 3:39:47 GMT -5
Post by Penny Hardaway on Aug 11, 2018 3:39:47 GMT -5
Honestly, this is the 1st time I hear you were looking at trade offers for Butler. welp We like butler too ,if we had known we could have offered at least a star back for Jimmy.
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Aug 11, 2018 4:02:27 GMT -5
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Post by Stuff The Magic Dragon on Aug 11, 2018 4:02:27 GMT -5
We like butler too ,if we had known we could have offered at least a star back for Jimmy. I'm all ears
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Aug 11, 2018 6:20:37 GMT -5
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Post by Ron Artest(1x Champ) on Aug 11, 2018 6:20:37 GMT -5
Trading Jimmy makes sense, but settling for Michael Porter(fresh off another back surgery) when the same team you’re trading with has Brown and Turner, you CAN get more. Butler is a top 15 player. thing is, nobody wants to trade for Butler with a great young player cuz of his PO next year. RIGHT NOW. I pointed out that the season hasn’t even started yet, I just saw a team(Golden State) Trade for an expiring Paul George.
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Aug 11, 2018 6:21:12 GMT -5
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Post by Ron Artest(1x Champ) on Aug 11, 2018 6:21:12 GMT -5
We like butler too ,if we had known we could have offered at least a star back for Jimmy. see...
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Aug 11, 2018 6:26:11 GMT -5
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Post by Ron Artest(1x Champ) on Aug 11, 2018 6:26:11 GMT -5
Neither is available, if that changes anything for you. Brown can be as good (or better) and Turner fills a role that Butler can’t so I wouldn’t be willing to make that deal. Although Brown has shown the capacity to be a really good player, I can’t assume he’s gonna be as good, if not better than a top 15 player. Turner makes sense to keep if he feels a role. Funny part about this is, is you’d reject this trade two other gms attempted this, and I know it.
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Aug 11, 2018 7:05:00 GMT -5
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Post by Stuff The Magic Dragon on Aug 11, 2018 7:05:00 GMT -5
waiting for more rejects to move this to the rejected folder lol
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Post by Tracy McGrady on Aug 11, 2018 7:08:12 GMT -5
I accept as an advocate of the GM's Free Will Movement. As long as it is not ruining, I'll accept.
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Post by billy on Aug 11, 2018 7:33:32 GMT -5
Butler was traded for Okafor and like pick 9 a few years ago.
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Aug 11, 2018 7:47:06 GMT -5
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Post by Stuff The Magic Dragon on Aug 11, 2018 7:47:06 GMT -5
Butler was traded for Okafor and like pick 9 a few years ago. Emeka?
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