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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 20:27:23 GMT -5
Minnesota Trades:Bradley Beal $24,150,000 $25,725,000 $27,300,000Amir Johnson $1,018,690 $1,018,690 Gerald Green $ 1,018,690 $1,018,690 Luc Mbah a Moute $1,018,690 $1,018,690 Daris Bertans $1,018,690 $1,018,690 Michael Beasley $1,018,690 $1,018,690 Total Salary $29,243,450
Oklahoma City Trades: George Hill $22,000,000 $20,500,00 $19,000,000 Jeff Green $2,833,334 $2,666,666 $2,500,000 Michael Porter Jr $3,669,400 $4,297,500 $4,502,000 $5,717,540 $7,667,221 Dejounte Murray $1,086,400 $1,959,866 $2,906,481 Shake Milton Draft Rights 2022 Okc 2nd Round Total Salary: $29,589,134
Edited to fit under minny hard cap! Minny accepts Steve Jobs to concur
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Steve Jobs
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Post by Steve Jobs on Apr 9, 2019 22:30:56 GMT -5
Accept. Hoping to give my team the push we need to be competitive in the playoffs this year.
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Post by Stuff The Magic Dragon on Apr 9, 2019 23:38:24 GMT -5
love this trade for the Thunder.
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Shaq O'Neal
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Post by Shaq O'Neal on Apr 10, 2019 0:35:32 GMT -5
Dont like this for the Wolves that much as they are trading Beal who has been balling this season for Hill who has a horrible contract and two young players coming off an injury.I would like to hear MIN's reasoning for this trade before voting
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Post by Ron Artest(1x Champ) on Apr 10, 2019 6:05:11 GMT -5
Minny should be getting a lot more for Beal. I’ll withhold voting until everyone else weighs in.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 6:29:41 GMT -5
Were dont have to give reasons any more but here it goes #1 any gm here had the same oppurtunity to hit me up and make a offer for beal and no 1 did besides steve so if i should be gettin more someone should offer more thats 1st and foremost! #2 and i cant belive im saying this billy was right beal just aint that good in the sim! He dont match the same production and ive learned now after all the bullshit certain players just dont mesh so i want this beal experiment to be over! The return is not bad either imo mpj is on the court playing now he will not play this year but hes young and if he reaches his potential he will be something very special have we all forgot he was the #1 prospect not ayton! Murray also is a baller and i need a young pg to take over he fits the bill! He also is like 22 and should bounce back from injury just fine! Hill is in for money but obviously can still play a role and the same for jeff green! Shake milton is another promising young guy that played better in philly as a rookie than fultz did! And the 2nd is just cuz he aint got any other picks. If these young dudes come back from injury they lead my team with kuzma and cj and dmc for years to come! So in signing off billy im sorry you were right beal is 1 of those players that are great irl but not so good in the sim! Im in the same place as last year and after getting smoked by 62 the other day by portland, along with loses to toronto twice and dallas once i realized this team needs to go in a different direction so hence the deal! I made it very clear in the trade block i was looking to do something like thjs and no one hit me up plus i have a deep team anyways now cj wont be a 6th man and can go back to the starting lineups and i can establish some balance as well Thats all im saying it will either be accepted or rejected thanks
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 7:22:16 GMT -5
Realistically im the 8th seed this year, i was the 8th seed last year, and even with trading beal ill be the 8th seed next year still bc my team is deep but ill have 2 young guys developing with my 1st this year bc i have no 2020 1st so this helps my team continue to build and like i said if mpj realizes his potential then this isnt even a discussion
Pg murray Sg McCollum Sf mpj Pf kuzma C dmc *bench* Tyreke evans Reggie jackson Tyler johnson Wesley mathews George hill Enes kanter Jeff green Shake milton 19 1st round pick
Leads us into the future and the twolves will be fine
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Post by Doc Rivers on Apr 10, 2019 9:53:53 GMT -5
Decent trade although I think Murray's offensive game is limited and MPJ is made of glass.
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David Robinson
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Post by David Robinson on Apr 10, 2019 11:01:32 GMT -5
Rebuild Beal
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Apr 10, 2019 11:23:18 GMT -5
Man I'm tired of being a party pooper, but I gotta poop this party.
Bottom line is MIN is sending an all-star for an albatross, and two promising guy who are coming off serious injuries. Prospects developing is not a promise. This deal sets Minny back too far. Reject.
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Post by Ron Artest(1x Champ) on Apr 10, 2019 12:09:50 GMT -5
Man I'm tired of being a party pooper, but I gotta poop this party. Bottom line is MIN is sending an all-star for an albatross, and two promising guy who are coming off serious injuries. Prospects developing is not a promise. This deal sets Minny back too far. Reject. This, at least get a Myles Turner back, KG keeps saying how Beal is poor in the sim, but team construction is important, not to mention the fact that we’re gonna be playing under an entirely different system next year. Reject for me.
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Steve Jobs
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Post by Steve Jobs on Apr 10, 2019 12:22:45 GMT -5
Man I'm tired of being a party pooper, but I gotta poop this party. Bottom line is MIN is sending an all-star for an albatross, and two promising guy who are coming off serious injuries. Prospects developing is not a promise. This deal sets Minny back too far. Reject. I’ll put it this way, Brian... Of all the times I’ve ever attempted to trade up in my time here, this is easily the deal I’m happiest got rejected if my guys pan out. Murray already has an All-Defense Team under his belt, was showing a ton of promising development to his offensive game, and will continue to be a prominent contributor, if not outright star, for the Spurs for years to come. As for MPJ, the same applies, except his ceiling is even higher and he’s got a lot of freedom to get/stay healthy on the Nuggets team. If we’re undervaluing then such that Kevin can’t decide he thinks their potential is worth pursuing, that’s fine by me. I won’t be as good in the playoffs this year, presumably, but I’ll continue to be very excited about the future.
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Steve Jobs
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Post by Steve Jobs on Apr 10, 2019 12:24:15 GMT -5
Man I'm tired of being a party pooper, but I gotta poop this party. Bottom line is MIN is sending an all-star for an albatross, and two promising guy who are coming off serious injuries. Prospects developing is not a promise. This deal sets Minny back too far. Reject. This, at least get a Myles Turner back, KG keeps saying how Beal is poor in the sim, but team construction is important, not to mention the fact that we’re gonna be playing under an entirely different system next year. Reject for me. Playing under a different system? Based on what?
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Post by Ron Artest(1x Champ) on Apr 10, 2019 12:26:06 GMT -5
This, at least get a Myles Turner back, KG keeps saying how Beal is poor in the sim, but team construction is important, not to mention the fact that we’re gonna be playing under an entirely different system next year. Reject for me. Playing under a different system? Based on what? didn’t mean system but different roster configurations/builds, we voted on that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 12:38:35 GMT -5
Is just a bunch of bs like always! I pm and make offers and dont get a response bc im asking for too much I make a deal its not enough i see those prospects in a different light than most i guess Mpj... Could be ben simmons or better Murray... At worst dennis schroder at best skys the limit Its whatevs the tc controls are vision in players Sure theirs risk but thats life and theirs nothing he franchise ruining
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Apr 10, 2019 12:39:13 GMT -5
Man I'm tired of being a party pooper, but I gotta poop this party. Bottom line is MIN is sending an all-star for an albatross, and two promising guy who are coming off serious injuries. Prospects developing is not a promise. This deal sets Minny back too far. Reject. I’ll put it this way, Brian... Of all the times I’ve ever attempted to trade up in my time here, this is easily the deal I’m happiest got rejected if my guys pan out. Murray already has an All-Defense Team under his belt, was showing a ton of promising development to his offensive game, and will continue to be a prominent contributor, if not outright star, for the Spurs for years to come. As for MPJ, the same applies, except his ceiling is even higher and he’s got a lot of freedom to get/stay healthy on the Nuggets team. If we’re undervaluing then such that Kevin can’t decide he thinks their potential is worth pursuing, that’s fine by me. I won’t be as good in the playoffs this year, presumably, but I’ll continue to be very excited about the future. Hell, I really like Murray and MPJ. I've tried to trade for murray (before the injury) and I've thought that this is exactly the time to buy low on porter. But really, what does it for me is that the Hill contract is such a negative asset. I know it's really for salary matching, but this trade would make it look like KG is selling Beal on a low point when his stock is in fact quite high. I'd consider accepting if the salary matching piece here wasn't such a negative--someone with steadier stock who isn't going to hamper this team in the (very possible) event that DJ and MPJ's careers don't go as well as we hope they do.
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Post by Ron Artest(1x Champ) on Apr 10, 2019 13:12:53 GMT -5
Is just a bunch of bs like always! I pm and make offers and dont get a response bc im asking for too much I make a deal its not enough i see those prospects in a different light than most i guess Mpj... Could be ben simmons or better Murray... At worst dennis schroder at best skys the limit Its whatevs the tc controls are vision in players Sure theirs risk but thats life and theirs nothing he franchise ruining Mpj could have chronic back issues and retire early, Murray may not ever develop a true offensive game, by the way MPJ is nothing like Simmons in terms of play style, and Murray is literally the opposite of what Schroeder is on the court. Regardless, we could do the “if” thing all day. Why not trade your All Star for a proven young talent like Myles Turner, or Jaylen Brown. Neither one of those players exceed Beal in trade value. You’re practically banking on MPJ and Murray panning out here, when you should rightfully be targeting better assets.
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Post by Doc Rivers on Apr 10, 2019 13:14:31 GMT -5
Is just a bunch of bs like always! I pm and make offers and dont get a response bc im asking for too much I make a deal its not enough i see those prospects in a different light than most i guess Mpj... Could be ben simmons or betterMurray... At worst dennis schroder at best skys the limit Its whatevs the tc controls are vision in players Sure theirs risk but thats life and theirs nothing he franchise ruining Yeah or worse, I doubt he's better than Simmons. You're being optimistic
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Post by Yeezy on Apr 10, 2019 15:28:01 GMT -5
I think there's enough to approve this: - Murray and MPJ could end up really really good - Beal will regress once Wall is back next year - MIN needs to get rid of Beal for his team build - This doesn't affect league balance (unless you think OKC becomes *too* good from this trade) - There is no collusion
I am not on TC just making my observations.
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Post by Theodore Duncan on Apr 10, 2019 15:40:26 GMT -5
- This doesn't affect league balance (unless you think OKC becomes *too* good from this trade) I vote let's move OKC to eastern conference.
Also not part of TC, but just saying... this would clearly fix all the issues.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Apr 10, 2019 15:55:43 GMT -5
Wait, am I on the TC?
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Post by Theodore Duncan on Apr 10, 2019 16:02:24 GMT -5
I think you are one of the alternative TC members, and now we needed one since Steve is part of the trade. So it's good I think
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Apr 10, 2019 16:03:01 GMT -5
Why don't y'all try reworking this deal but with Forbes + Powell in place of Hill? Just a thought.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Apr 10, 2019 16:14:48 GMT -5
I made a big oops here actually--I remembered Murray's injury as an Achilles when its actually an ACL. Gonna think more on this one.
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Post by Ron Artest(1x Champ) on Apr 10, 2019 16:16:54 GMT -5
I made a big oops here actually--I remembered Murray's injury as an Achilles when its actually an ACL. Gonna think more on this one. I don’t think you can change a vote anyways, I tried to when I wasn’t on the TC and couldn’t, but yeah I’ll accept if they rework this.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 16:17:02 GMT -5
Heres the problem you guys constantly tell people who to bank on when its my choice to make that call! If i want to take a chance that mpj recovers and murray gets back and better thats my choice And i remember a man named joel embid that will always be hurt ... Dont take a chance on him! I love how other gms take their judgement and vision and tell other gms that they should share the same vision or its a reject its hilarious.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Apr 10, 2019 16:24:47 GMT -5
Heres the problem you guys constantly tell people who to bank on when its my choice to make that call! If i want to take a chance that mpj recovers and murray gets back and better thats my choice And i remember a man named joel embid that will always be hurt ... Dont take a chance on him! I love how other gms take their judgement and vision and tell other gms that they should share the same vision or its a reject its hilarious. It's not that I don't think you should be able to take a chance on those guys, it's just that for a team in your position you're losing this trade too much. You're sending an all-star for two maybes, a journeyman, two second rounders, and one of the worst contracts in the league. I think you might be smart to take a chance on them, I like those guys pretty well too, but you should be able to do it or something similar in a better deal.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Apr 10, 2019 16:29:36 GMT -5
Seeing as I'm now in trade talks on Beal, in fairness I'd like to abstain on this trade.
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Post by Steve Jobs on Apr 10, 2019 16:35:00 GMT -5
Seeing as I'm now in trade talks on Beal, in fairness I'd like to abstain on this trade. We should at least finalize rejecting this before you go there. If you abstain, someone else needs to step in and they could vote to accept.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Apr 10, 2019 16:46:59 GMT -5
Seeing as I'm now in trade talks on Beal, in fairness I'd like to abstain on this trade. We should at least finalize rejecting this before you go there. If you abstain, someone else needs to step in and they could vote to accept. Yeah, I started in on talks because I thought this trade was far from being able to pass and felt like I had some assets to offer a package. Wouldn't post, of course, unless this trade gets rejected, but now that I'm offering on him I'd like to abstain. I still don't think that I'd accept anyway, so me abstaining just gives y'all another shot at getting this deal done.
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