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Post by John Stockton on Jun 27, 2016 20:17:34 GMT -5
Seattle SupersonicsFC 71 Derrick Favors $11,050,000 $12,000,000 GF 63 Tony Allen $5,000,000 GF 50 Justin Anderson $1,116,400 $1,164,500 $2,036,711 $2,977,671 Bulls 2017 1st Bucks 2018 1st Pelicans 2018 1stfor Milwaukee BucksFC 79 Anthony Davis $9,191,947
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Post by John Stockton on Jun 27, 2016 20:26:53 GMT -5
Supersonics accept this trade. It's a lot of assets for sure, but it's AD. He is due for a big max contract and Bucks are nowhere near competing next year. They not only get a big man on a cheap contract for with bird rights, they also get Justin Anderson. Also important to note that they are receiving their 1st round pick back, which should be extra value for returning to the original team. Frank Reynolds
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Post by Frank Reynolds on Jun 27, 2016 21:09:37 GMT -5
I accept this trade
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billy
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Post by billy on Jun 27, 2016 21:22:02 GMT -5
YOUR SIGNATURE, RON
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Post by Frank Reynolds on Jun 27, 2016 21:23:14 GMT -5
yes
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Post by John Stockton on Jun 27, 2016 21:33:57 GMT -5
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Steve Jobs
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jun 27, 2016 21:44:00 GMT -5
Accept. The value from my trade was objectively very similar - Dray is worth quite a bit more than Favors, Galloway has decently similar value to Allen based on age, my pick is roughly equivalent to Anderson, most of those picks are going to be pretty much bottom of the first round (unless the Bucks tank for their pick, which would make this trade look silly since they could easily get better prospects and future draft pick value directly by trading AD than by moving Favors/Allen later), so they don't really add a whole lot of value over what I was offering considering I was also helping him dump salary while this trade is not.
Since I consider my trade fair, it would be petty and very inconsistent of me to reject this one.
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billy
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Post by billy on Jun 27, 2016 21:48:50 GMT -5
Accept. The value from my trade was objectively very similar - Dray is worth quite a bit more than Favors, Galloway has decently similar value to Allen based on age, my pick is roughly equivalent to Anderson, most of those picks are going to be pretty much bottom of the first round (unless the Bucks tank for their pick, which would make this trade look silly since they could easily get better prospects and future draft pick value directly by trading AD than by moving Favors/Allen later), so they don't really add a whole lot of value over what I was offering considering I was also helping him dump salary while this trade is not. Since I consider my trade fair, it would be petty and very inconsistent of me to reject this one. I guess when you consider a trade that got rejected in less than 15 minutes your barometer for "acceptable" this does look pretty close.
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Steve Jobs
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jun 27, 2016 21:54:53 GMT -5
The trade for #2 that eventually got accepted was much worse, value wise, than what I was offering for AD. The TC isn't always right. Draymond is worth way more than anybody voting was acknowledging.
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Post by Brown Cobb IV on Jun 27, 2016 21:58:19 GMT -5
"Respond intelligently even to unintelligent treatment"
This trade is better than the previous one, but I will be still rejecting it. To me AD can always be built around, whether or not you are ready to compete this year or in 3 years. He is only 23 so it would be rather shortsighted to get rid off him just because you feel like the team "isnt ready". if you need to tank for 2 years then do, AD will only be 25 when you are done tanking and he will just be entering his prime. I think derrick favors is a terrific player but I think AD. None of the assets that Sacramento is guaranteed enough to me, those picks could be lotto or could not be, to me AD would need to be overpaid for to leave. He is the reason teams tank for so we can hope to grab a player like him, so why trade him for "chances to get a player like him (draft pickss
Ron you are going to have team control on AD for 6 years, and a max contract is well worth his skill.
reject
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Post by John Stockton on Jun 27, 2016 21:59:10 GMT -5
The trade for #2 that eventually got accepted was much worse, value wise, than what I was offering for AD. The TC isn't always right. Draymond is worth way more than anybody voting was acknowledging. i agree. draymond, even after the performance he put up in the playoffs, is still not highly regarded as he should be to the general public.
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Post by John Stockton on Jun 27, 2016 22:01:48 GMT -5
"Respond intelligently even to unintelligent treatment" This trade is better than the previous one, but I will be still rejecting it. To me AD can always be built around, whether or not you are ready to compete this year or in 3 years. He is only 23 so it would be rather shortsighted to get rid off him just because you feel like the team "isnt ready". if you need to tank for 2 years then do, AD will only be 25 when you are done tanking and he will just be entering his prime. I think derrick favors is a terrific player but I think AD. None of the assets that Sacramento is guaranteed enough to me, those picks could be lotto or could not be, to me AD would need to be overpaid for to leave. He is the reason teams tank for so we can hope to grab a player like him, so why trade him for "chances to get a player like him (draft pickss Ron you are going to have team control on AD for 6 years, and a max contract is well worth his skill. reject Good thing you are an alternate :)
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Post by billy on Jun 27, 2016 22:01:53 GMT -5
He is the reason teams tank for so we can hope to grab a player like him, so why trade him for "chances to get a player like him" preach
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Post by Frank Reynolds on Jun 27, 2016 22:05:24 GMT -5
im not ron bitches
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Post by Frank Reynolds on Jun 27, 2016 22:05:40 GMT -5
im a man cheetah
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Post by John Stockton on Jun 27, 2016 22:05:41 GMT -5
Steve is the first response that accepts the trade, and BC swops in and rejects. What is happening? Is this real life?
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Post by Kong on Jun 27, 2016 22:07:30 GMT -5
Steve is the first response that accepts the trade, and BC swops in and rejects. What is happening? Is this real life? BrownCobb was the good cop. Lao is the bad one.
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Post by Frank Reynolds on Jun 27, 2016 22:13:22 GMT -5
"Respond intelligently even to unintelligent treatment" This trade is better than the previous one, but I will be still rejecting it. To me AD can always be built around, whether or not you are ready to compete this year or in 3 years. He is only 23 so it would be rather shortsighted to get rid off him just because you feel like the team "isnt ready". if you need to tank for 2 years then do, AD will only be 25 when you are done tanking and he will just be entering his prime. I think derrick favors is a terrific player but I think AD. None of the assets that Sacramento is guaranteed enough to me, those picks could be lotto or could not be, to me AD would need to be overpaid for to leave. He is the reason teams tank for so we can hope to grab a player like him, so why trade him for "chances to get a player like him (draft pickss Ron you are going to have team control on AD for 6 years, and a max contract is well worth his skill. reject 1. Sacramento is not involved 2. Just because i can rebuild around anthony davis doesnt mean i have to or even want to, i think this is a bogus response to the trade. I dont wanna have his huge contract and he can definitely help another team especially the Sonics to defend their title and i get my pick back
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Post by John Stockton on Jun 27, 2016 22:18:59 GMT -5
"Respond intelligently even to unintelligent treatment" This trade is better than the previous one, but I will be still rejecting it. To me AD can always be built around, whether or not you are ready to compete this year or in 3 years. He is only 23 so it would be rather shortsighted to get rid off him just because you feel like the team "isnt ready". if you need to tank for 2 years then do, AD will only be 25 when you are done tanking and he will just be entering his prime. I think derrick favors is a terrific player but I think AD. None of the assets that Sacramento is guaranteed enough to me, those picks could be lotto or could not be, to me AD would need to be overpaid for to leave. He is the reason teams tank for so we can hope to grab a player like him, so why trade him for "chances to get a player like him (draft pickss Ron you are going to have team control on AD for 6 years, and a max contract is well worth his skill. reject 1. Sacramento is not involved 2. Just because i can rebuild around anthony davis doesnt mean i have to or even want to, i think this is a bogus response to the trade. I dont wanna have his huge contract and he can definitely help another team especially the Sonics to defend their title and i get my pick back BOOM
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Post by Kong on Jun 27, 2016 22:19:26 GMT -5
Bulls pick is good. They did not make the playoffs last season with Chris Paul and Duncan. Then, they traded Paul for Okafor and Duncan did not pick his option. Bulls' best player is Kanter.
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Post by Frank Reynolds on Jun 27, 2016 22:24:17 GMT -5
this trade is perfectly fair and will help the super sonics greatly along with helping me rebuild
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Post by John Stockton on Jun 27, 2016 22:55:36 GMT -5
Honestly, think the trade makes sense for him. He is in a horrible position right now. His teams sucks but he got Davis and he got no 2018 1st. By the time, he rebuilds if he rebuilds Davis value will go down a lot. Plus, how much can he tank with Davis as a starter. He probably would end up in a mediocre situation for many years to come.
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Post by Colin Loftin on Jun 27, 2016 23:00:41 GMT -5
I accept. I think Favors is really good. Obviously peak AD is better than peak Favors, but they posted similar numbers this year and if Frank (that signature lol) doesn't want to pay AD then getting another young star big man plus 3 1st rounders is probably as good as it's going to get. If it were me, I'd keep him, but I think the value is pretty close (although that might be my higher than most opinion of Favors talking). Steve Jobs For what it's worth, I thought your trade was pretty good too.
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Post by Justin Timberlake on Jun 27, 2016 23:09:24 GMT -5
I'm not sure how I feel about this one either. Will think on it. In 420, Billy traded AD and Asik and got KAT, Lavine, Dieng, a 1st, Shabazz and maybe something else? Maybe he got away with more than he's worth, but it's the kind of return a 23 yr old super star deserves. AD is one of the few players in the league that is capable of the elusive "80" overall. He's 23, will be locked up long term and there's nothing more you want from your franchise player. I believe Billy said that the only guys he'd move AD for is Giannis or KAT (plus stuff). That's the kind of talent that he warrants. Although Favors is great, it's hard to say he's up there with those players
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Post by John Stockton on Jun 27, 2016 23:18:57 GMT -5
Nobody giving any love to Justin Anderson. Projected STARTER for the Mavs next season!!
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Post by Frank Reynolds on Jun 27, 2016 23:33:22 GMT -5
Favors is young and also very talented, but he's cheaper than AD making it easier to build plus I'm getting good picks. And I that's another league so I don't think it's fair to say this one isn't good cause he got what you might consider a better deal for AD. Favors is a great big man who I'd love to have along with multiple young players I'll get with my draft picks
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Post by Frank Reynolds on Jun 27, 2016 23:36:46 GMT -5
Also I feel like AD on a team like this is a waste of talent, he's a potential MVP but not with my roster he doesn't have much of a supportive cast in Milwaukee. But in Seattle he will thrive and help them win another title.
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Post by Justin Timberlake on Jun 27, 2016 23:40:09 GMT -5
Favors is young and also very talented, but he's cheaper than AD making it easier to build plus I'm getting good picks. And I that's another league so I don't think it's fair to say this one isn't good cause he got what you might consider a better deal for AD. Favors is a great big man who I'd love to have along with multiple young players I'll get with my draft picks AD is literally everything that Favors is x45. And paying AD the max this year for 5 yrs is still a bargain contract. There will be way worse players than him that will also get the max. But it's as close of a comparison as we'll get. That league uses the exact same sim file, ratings and even has a lot of the same owners. So I do think it's worth noting. You still have some solid pieces on your roster that you could trade for picks while still keeping AD...I don't think this is your only option haha. Like I said tho, I'll continue to think about it
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Post by Frank Reynolds on Jun 28, 2016 7:05:48 GMT -5
I think it's unfair if it's getting rejected because Davis is good I know he's good but it's like I'm being forced to build my team around him
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Post by Pete Maravich on Jun 28, 2016 8:41:37 GMT -5
I really think Milwaukee loses any trade where AD is being moved. He has the highest trade value in the league IMO even after a down year. He is making max money in his 23-27 yo seasons where I view him as having a $50M+ value each of those seasons. I like Dray as the best asset of the two deals but I think this deal is better because of the additional 1sts. This is a reject for me but one more additional asset to MIL should make it acceptable.
Reject
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