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Post by John Stockton on Dec 8, 2016 22:14:14 GMT -5
GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS SEND: 73 Damian Lillard $28,200,000 $30,315,000 $32,430,000 $34,545,000 $36,660,000 54 Domantas Sabonis $1,931,900 $2,018,800 $2,105,700 $2,901,655 $3,992,67760 Allen Crabbe $1,800,000 $1,800,000 HOU 2017 1st Total: $32,053,200 for 82 Stephen Curry $12,112,359 45 Satnam Singh Bhamara $800,000 $800,00042 JaKarr Sampson $980,431 $1,051,245LAC 2019 2nd Total: $13,892,790 --------------------- Incoming salaries < Outgoing salaries. Roster size remains unchanged. --------------------- LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS SEND: 82 Stephen Curry $12,112,359 45 Satnam Singh Bhamara $800,000 $800,00042 JaKarr Sampson $980,431 $1,051,245LAC 2017 2nd LAC 2019 2nd LAC 2020 2nd Total: $13,892,790 for 73 Damian Lillard $28,200,000 $30,315,000 $32,430,000 $34,545,000 $36,660,000 54 Domantas Sabonis $1,931,900 $2,018,800 $2,105,700 $2,901,655 $3,992,67760 ZaZa Pachulia $770,000 60 J.J. Barea $770,000 HOU 2017 1st Total: $31,671,900 --------------------- LAC cap space before trade: $40,600,326. Cap after trade: $22,821,216. Roster size increases to 14. --------------------- SEATTLE SUPERSONICS SEND: 60 ZaZa Pachulia $770,000 60 J.J. Barea $770,000 Total: $1,540,000 for 60 Allen Crabbe $1,800,000 $1,800,000 LAC 2017 2nd LAC 2020 2nd Total: $1,800,000 --------------------- $1,540,000 x 1,25 = $1,925,000 > $1,800,000. Roster size decreases to 14. --------------------- WHY FOR WARRIORS?
They bring 2 times MVP back home. Sure, he is expiring but Warriors get his BRs and it is a positive thing that Stephen loves the Bay Area. The small amount of his current contract gives him extra capacity to sign FAs come next off-season. WHY FOR CLIPPERS?
They bring in some much needed stability with interesting prospects for the future and a more competitive roster for the present by adding a much needed depth. WHY FOR SONICS?A small trade thinking a bit more towards the future. They still got a solid bench.
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Post by John Stockton on Dec 8, 2016 22:15:10 GMT -5
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Post by Gregg Popovich on Dec 8, 2016 22:20:06 GMT -5
I accept.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 22:20:19 GMT -5
I accept this trade, I want to increase my depth/get young pieces and maybe decrease the value of the LAC 2017 1st.Lillard is a solid PG who is young and on a long contract while I also get a young Sabonis, Houston 2017 1st so i have one while barea and pachulia are both solid on the bench for me.
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Post by John Stockton on Dec 8, 2016 22:53:23 GMT -5
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Post by Pete Maravich on Dec 9, 2016 10:30:57 GMT -5
I got the choux rouge on this one but I accept.
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Post by Justin Timberlake on Dec 10, 2016 0:07:47 GMT -5
How did Seattle get the better contract and 2 2nds while trading 2 expirings (one of which is out 6 weeks) haha?
Still thinking about it tho, it's a pretty big trade. Will cast my vote tomorrow
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Post by Gregg Popovich on Dec 10, 2016 1:34:18 GMT -5
i know im on the losing side of this trade but curry was kind of hard to miss
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Post by Reggie Miller on Dec 10, 2016 7:02:37 GMT -5
Stockton got the best out of these trade..
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Post by Theodore Duncan on Dec 10, 2016 7:19:37 GMT -5
Agree.. I like the value of Curry for Dame+Sabonis+1st round pick. Would have asked additional 2nd round picks myself (or Crabbe). But I like it is now other than imo Seattle is just stealing Crabbe here.
He is young improving guy in good contract with bird rights.. he is alone more valuable than Barea and Zaza. I don't see any reason the LAC picks should be going that way. Those two guys don't add anything to LAC either. This is just making best team in the league even better. Not saying that SEA is not allowed "win" any trades since they are too good, but this would be winning way too much for me.
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Post by Brown Cobb IV on Dec 10, 2016 16:26:28 GMT -5
Reject, I like this trade if it's just gsw and lac. No need to involve seattle
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Post by John Stockton on Dec 10, 2016 16:43:29 GMT -5
Reject, I like this trade if it's just gsw and lac. No need to involve seattle cmon this is fucking stupid. you are going to reject a trade involving steph curry for an extraneous irrelevant part that was necessary to put the deal together. if you're going to reject bc u and the rest of the tc don't want to see Seattle get better at least have the fucking courage to say that.
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Post by Justin Timberlake on Dec 10, 2016 18:29:02 GMT -5
If it was extraneous and irrelevant it doesn't seem like it would be necessary to the trade?
I will vote to pass if it's changed Doc keeps the 2 2nds going to Seattle or Crabbe goes to the Clippers. Lillard, Crabbe, Sabonis and a 1st for Curry, Singh, Jakarr and a 2nd sounds just fine to me.
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Post by Gregg Popovich on Dec 10, 2016 18:53:02 GMT -5
lol
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Post by John Stockton on Dec 10, 2016 20:24:53 GMT -5
If it was extraneous and irrelevant it doesn't seem like it would be necessary to the trade? I will vote to pass if it's changed Doc keeps the 2 2nds going to Seattle or Crabbe goes to the Clippers. Lillard, Crabbe, Sabonis and a 1st for Curry, Singh, Jakarr and a 2nd sounds just fine to me. it's irrelevant to the overall trade bc those pieces are worth 1% of the all the piece involved. if you feel that 99% of the trade is fine, you shouldn't reject a trade bc you don't like the 1%. If you honestly believe that a trade involving STEPH FUCKING CURRY THE BEST PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE, shouldn't get accepted bc of a 2nd rnd pick, I really question your ability to serve as a TC member or ulterior motives... and for the record, I never said it was unnecessary, as clippers wish to expand their depth and acquiring two players rated 60 for one player rated 60 allows him to do that. also to clear it up, there are plans behind this trade that involve future teams and trades with pieces that clippers are acquiring from us that would be ruined if announced pre maturely. regardless, as TC members, I know that most of you think the majority of this trade is fair. It only proves to me when you guys reject that you guys are against Seattle making any trade that may benefit the team, essentially banning me from making any moves down the road that I'm considered to be 'winning'. the Supersonics put in the work and time to be able to help put this trade together. if all of this work and any future endeavors to make my team better is going to be met by reluctance such as this by the TC to pass any trade that may be in our favor, we might as well just reset the league start over.
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Post by billy on Dec 10, 2016 21:00:01 GMT -5
If it was extraneous and irrelevant it doesn't seem like it would be necessary to the trade? I will vote to pass if it's changed Doc keeps the 2 2nds going to Seattle or Crabbe goes to the Clippers. Lillard, Crabbe, Sabonis and a 1st for Curry, Singh, Jakarr and a 2nd sounds just fine to me. it's irrelevant to the overall trade bc those pieces are worth 1% of the all the piece involved. if you feel that 99% of the trade is fine, you shouldn't reject a trade bc you don't like the 1%. If you honestly believe that a trade involving STEPH FUCKING CURRY THE BEST PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE, shouldn't get accepted bc of a 2nd rnd pick, I really question your ability to serve as a TC member or ulterior motives... and for the record, I never said it was unnecessary, as clippers wish to expand their depth and acquiring two players rated 60 for one player rated 60 allows him to do that. also to clear it up, there are plans behind this trade that involve future teams and trades with pieces that clippers are acquiring from us that would be ruined if announced pre maturely. regardless, as TC members, I know that most of you think the majority of this trade is fair. It only proves to me when you guys reject that you guys are against Seattle making any trade that may benefit the team, essentially banning me from making any moves down the road that I'm considered to be 'winning'. the Supersonics put in the work and time to be able to help put this trade together. if all of this work and any future endeavors to make my team better is going to be met by reluctance such as this by the TC to pass any trade that may be in our favor, we might as well just reset the league start over. Come on, I don't think it's like this. You have to take context into account as well. When you have the worst team in the league sending semi valuable pieces to ANYONE for basically nothing in return it should be rejected.
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Post by John Stockton on Dec 10, 2016 21:12:18 GMT -5
jj and zaza are not nothing. has allan crabbe been an all star?
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Post by Justin Timberlake on Dec 10, 2016 21:31:11 GMT -5
If it was extraneous and irrelevant it doesn't seem like it would be necessary to the trade? I will vote to pass if it's changed Doc keeps the 2 2nds going to Seattle or Crabbe goes to the Clippers. Lillard, Crabbe, Sabonis and a 1st for Curry, Singh, Jakarr and a 2nd sounds just fine to me. it's irrelevant to the overall trade bc those pieces are worth 1% of the all the piece involved. if you feel that 99% of the trade is fine, you shouldn't reject a trade bc you don't like the 1%. If you honestly believe that a trade involving STEPH FUCKING CURRY THE BEST PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE, shouldn't get accepted bc of a 2nd rnd pick, I really question your ability to serve as a TC member or ulterior motives... and for the record, I never said it was unnecessary, as clippers wish to expand their depth and acquiring two players rated 60 for one player rated 60 allows him to do that. also to clear it up, there are plans behind this trade that involve future teams and trades with pieces that clippers are acquiring from us that would be ruined if announced pre maturely. regardless, as TC members, I know that most of you think the majority of this trade is fair. It only proves to me when you guys reject that you guys are against Seattle making any trade that may benefit the team, essentially banning me from making any moves down the road that I'm considered to be 'winning'. the Supersonics put in the work and time to be able to help put this trade together. if all of this work and any future endeavors to make my team better is going to be met by reluctance such as this by the TC to pass any trade that may be in our favor, we might as well just reset the league start over. Yeah man that's not how it is at all. I would agree with you that a deal involving a few 2nds in a trade involving Steph isn't moving the needle much, but that's not what this is or how I'm looking at it. You're not giving or receiving Steph. You're on the outside of the this trade. Which is why I don't think your part in this is necessary for the other "99%" of the trade. I don't think it's fair to hide your little steal in a big trade and then claim it is worthless in the overall trade. If you were trading Zaza and JJ for Crabbe and 2 2nds as a trade by itself I'm sure that would get 'Doc rejected'. If you take out those 2 2nds from LAC I'd be totally fine with it
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Post by billy on Dec 10, 2016 21:38:50 GMT -5
Yeah man that's not how it is at all. I would agree with you that a deal involving a few 2nds in a trade involving Steph isn't moving the needle much, but that's not what this is or how I'm looking at it. You're not giving or receiving Steph. You're on the outside of the this trade. Which is why I don't think your part in this is necessary for the other "99%" of the trade. I don't think it's fair to hide your little steal in a big trade and then claim it is worthless in the overall trade. If you were trading Zaza and JJ for Crabbe and 2 2nds as a trade by itself I'm sure that would get 'Doc rejected'. If you take out those 2 2nds from LAC I'd be totally fine with it The purpose of the TC is to stop franchises from being so shitty no one wants them. Doc's other teams were much much better than this team. This is, in my opinion, the worst team in the league. This team is exactly the team that the TC is designed to protect to keep them from getting shittier. It's made even moreso imperative due to the probationary nature of Doc Rivers' team ownership, due to this being his... 3rd(?) team now.
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Post by Gregg Popovich on Dec 11, 2016 0:05:02 GMT -5
uh 1-1 Pete Accept BC Rejects Justin on the fence
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Post by Gregg Popovich on Dec 12, 2016 12:32:11 GMT -5
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Post by Justin Timberlake on Dec 12, 2016 13:40:09 GMT -5
Good for me ^^
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Post by Steve Jobs on Dec 13, 2016 8:32:23 GMT -5
I'm with BC on this... removing the 2nd rounders helps but I don't think Zaza+Barea for Crabbe is all that acceptable on its own. Plus, it's so hard to say this about a back to back MVP, but Steph isn't even the best player on his team anymore and it will 100% effect his long term value, even ignoring that he's expiring. GSW probably giving up too much, Seattle getting too much... I'ma reject.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 10:52:30 GMT -5
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Post by Gregg Popovich on Dec 13, 2016 11:03:50 GMT -5
it's 2-2 pete and jt accepted (assuming we take out 2nds) bc and steve rejects
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 11:13:41 GMT -5
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Post by billy on Dec 13, 2016 11:41:27 GMT -5
I think this trade is rejected with 3 rejects. Phoenix conditional accept means nothing here since Seattle hasn't expressed willingness to accept this trade without the 2nds.
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Post by Gregg Popovich on Dec 13, 2016 11:42:57 GMT -5
I think this trade is rejected with 3 rejects. Phoenix conditional accept means nothing here since Seattle hasn't expressed willingness to accept this trade without the 2nds. nah he was willing to take it out in our pm. i only suggested taking our the 2nds because doc and john were fine with it.
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Post by billy on Dec 13, 2016 11:43:51 GMT -5
I think this trade is rejected with 3 rejects. Phoenix conditional accept means nothing here since Seattle hasn't expressed willingness to accept this trade without the 2nds. nah he was willing to take it out in our pm. i only suggested taking our the 2nds because doc and john were fine with it. Well until he posts it here, this trade is at 1-3.
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Post by Gregg Popovich on Dec 13, 2016 11:49:40 GMT -5
@gokatr
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