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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 10:33:28 GMT -5
Minnesota Trades: (59) Jodie Meeks $990,000 (50) Grevis Vasquez $990,000 2018 Boston 1st 2021 Orlando 1st Top 8 protected no conveyance 2018 Second Round #61
Chicago Trades: (57) Bobby Portis $2,034,500 $2,803,541 $3,857,672
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 10:34:04 GMT -5
I accept same reason
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Post by Penny Hardaway on Apr 29, 2018 10:43:32 GMT -5
Dont think addeding a protection helps... Its still trading 2 1st round pick for 1 prospect.
Put it this way portis was a 1st round pick 20 something i believe. So even if both your 1st round picks are picks in the 20's , you could have picked two players with with portis potential as thats where portis was picked, thats why i would say 1 1st round pick is fine but adding another 1st and a 2nd is way over pay for an unproven player.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 10:46:59 GMT -5
Why not that protection is a huge risk and the 2nd is last pick in round sometimes i dont know about you guys Portis is 23 goes 13 and 7 right now could improve. Id love to get that kind of production from a potential 1st rd boston pick and hes taking a chance of the 21 pick not even being there, and the players are salary filler
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Post by Penny Hardaway on Apr 29, 2018 10:51:43 GMT -5
Why not that protection is a huge risk and the 2nd is last pick in round sometimes i dont know about you guys Portis is 23 goes 13 and 7 right now could improve. Id love to get that kind of production from a potential 1st rd boston pick and hes taking a chance of the 21 pick not even being there, and the players are salary filler If you think portis is worth 2 1st round picks that up too you, but considering proven players and players that average better haven't even gotten 2 1st rpund picks is kinda alarming. Name the last player who was traded for 2 1st round picks in the nba and compare there talent to Portis. Maybe its not that we dont value Portis it you undervalue 1st round picks , especially when portis who you want was a late 1st round pick...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 10:58:06 GMT -5
Late teens to early 20s are a crap shoot (dj wilson) there is plenty of others, and the orlando pick is a risk/reward so yea i value portis higher. I just traded winslow/ 20 min 1st for lavine needing a contract comimg off acl and no 1 had a problem but somehow this is smh
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Post by billy on Apr 29, 2018 11:03:37 GMT -5
Late teens to early 20s are a crap shoot (dj wilson) there is plenty of others, and the orlando pick is a risk/reward so yea i value portis higher. I just traded winslow/ 20 min 1st for lavine needing a contract comimg off acl and no 1 had a problem but somehow this is smh There's a big difference between Lavine and Portis mate
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Post by Paul Pierce on Apr 29, 2018 11:05:23 GMT -5
Accept
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Post by Steve Jobs on Apr 29, 2018 11:13:22 GMT -5
I'd, at the very least, want a lotto protection on one or both of those picks to feel okay with it.
Just gonna say it...
Portis ain't shit but hoes and tricks.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 11:37:31 GMT -5
(Season) 22.5 mpg 47% fg 36%3fg 77%ft 6.8 rpg 1.7apg 0.7 spg 0.3 bpg 13.2 ppg
(Per36) 47% fg 36%3fg 77%ft 10.9rpg 2.7apg 1.1 spg 0.5bpg 21.1ppg
19.7per 55% true 26 usuage 3.5 win shares
So yea i value this over the #17-22 pick and a 21 1st that might not even convey
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Post by John Stockton on Apr 29, 2018 11:51:02 GMT -5
I reject this trade
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Post by Penny Hardaway on Apr 29, 2018 12:00:40 GMT -5
(Season) 22.5 mpg 47% fg 36%3fg 77%ft 6.8 rpg 1.7apg 0.7 spg 0.3 bpg 13.2 ppg (Per36) 47% fg 36%3fg 77%ft 10.9rpg 2.7apg 1.1 spg 0.5bpg 21.1ppg 19.7per 55% true 26 usuage 3.5 win shares So yea i value this over the #17-22 pick and a 21 1st that might not even convey You never know what could happen to those picks right now they might be 17-22 but an injury or bad trade can easilly make then both top 10 picks... But anyway Portis was that same 20 something pick that might not convey but yet your trading two of them for him And honestly I doubt portis even vastly improves to be worth a 1st. It would be wise for any gm to sell high on him especially for 2 1st rounders. Kyrie irving nor demarcous cousins could land you 2 first round picks in the nba but only in the sim life is that what it would cost for bobby freaking portis whos on a lotto bulls team that has no other options. Buts thats why i hate trade committes because honestly its up to you and what your team values and how you want to build your team, just dont quit on us when you future is screwed on trading two 1st rounders on potential talent when thats what 1st round picks are valued at too potential talent. With the draft player picked 29 could just be as valuable as pick #1
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 12:05:57 GMT -5
Dude i dont quit period no matter what happens. Im high strung and dont speak right and im sure that rubs some of you the wrong way but its all in fun honestly! My level of activity i hope shows yall im serious here, i will be in the league till the end gents! Im a loyal person
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Post by Paul Pierce on Apr 29, 2018 12:12:56 GMT -5
This is ridiculous lmao
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 12:14:18 GMT -5
(Season) 22.5 mpg 47% fg 36%3fg 77%ft 6.8 rpg 1.7apg 0.7 spg 0.3 bpg 13.2 ppg (Per36) 47% fg 36%3fg 77%ft 10.9rpg 2.7apg 1.1 spg 0.5bpg 21.1ppg 19.7per 55% true 26 usuage 3.5 win shares So yea i value this over the #17-22 pick and a 21 1st that might not even convey You never know what could happen to those picks right now they might be 17-22 but an injury or bad trade can easilly make then both top 10 picks... But anyway Portis was that same 20 something pick that might not convey but yet your trading two of them for him And honestly I doubt portis even vastly improves to be worth a 1st. It would be wise for any gm to sell high on him especially for 2 1st rounders. Kyrie irving nor demarcous cousins could land you 2 first round picks in the nba but only in the sim life is that what it would cost for bobby freaking portis whos on a lotto bulls team that has no other options. Buts thats why i hate trade committes because honestly its up to you and what your team values and how you want to build your team, just dont quit on us when you future is screwed on trading two 1st rounders on potential talent when thats what 1st round picks are valued at too potential talent. With the draft player picked 29 could just be as valuable as pick #1 And your 100% right wont know till 2021, but im going to play devils advocate here boston pick #19 , than 2021 pick #7 (dont convey) than not so bad!
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Post by Paul Pierce on Apr 29, 2018 12:17:39 GMT -5
What are the odds pick 17 in this draft ends up better then. Bpbby
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 12:18:44 GMT -5
Coin flip
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Post by Penny Hardaway on Apr 29, 2018 12:24:10 GMT -5
And your 100% right wont know till 2021, but im going to play devils advocate here boston pick #19 , than 2021 pick #7 (dont convey) than not so bad! [/quote][/quote]
Ya i never said he isnt at least worth a 1st, just dont think adding another first and a 2nd and 2 players is needed to get the deal done. Make it a top 20 protected and then it makes sense but even then 1st's are valuable no matter the number because there has been some many late picks that have become stars as long as you can draft right its valuable.
Game on now so wont be on for a while, either way if twolves wont quit i say accept it as i always say its his team to do as he pleases, there is no one blueprint to build a team.
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Post by Penny Hardaway on Apr 29, 2018 12:28:17 GMT -5
What are the odds pick 17 in this draft ends up better then. Bpbby Uh i say 50/50 portis himself was a 20 something pick, and actually a lot of good nba players are picked later then pick 10. Might be differemt in sim world but in real life i would take this years 17th pick over portis 10/10 times.
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Post by Paul Pierce on Apr 29, 2018 12:30:21 GMT -5
What are the odds pick 17 in this draft ends up better then. Bpbby Uh i say 50/50 portis himself was a 20 something pick, and actually a lot of good nba players are picked later then pick 10. Might be differemt in sim world but in real life i would take this years 17th pick over portis 10/10 times. that magic pick if it is top 8 I don't even get it. This is a lotta risk on my end.
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Post by Penny Hardaway on Apr 29, 2018 12:39:04 GMT -5
Uh i say 50/50 portis himself was a 20 something pick, and actually a lot of good nba players are picked later then pick 10. Might be differemt in sim world but in real life i would take this years 17th pick over portis 10/10 times. that magic pick if it is top 8 I don't even get it. This is a lotta risk on my end. Lol how? Portis isnt even worth 2 1st rounders , i dont even think a 1st honestly. A 1st ,2nd , a 59 player ( who is rated higher then portis) and another 50 player is more then worth portis for me but like i keep saying people value picks / player differently so it hard to say if you think your getting enough value back for him unless we compare it to the nba and if we do that ypur barely gping to get a 1st for Portis just look at how oftrn picks are traded and the type of players they are traded for. You barely if ever see a 1st traded for another young player that has potential its kinda a oxymoron because thats what portis was not to long ago A late first round pick.
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Post by White Mamba on Apr 29, 2018 13:58:13 GMT -5
Still think minny gets the worse end here. But like before I don't think it's rejectable really. I'll accept again
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Post by Ron Artest(1x Champ) on Apr 29, 2018 14:50:47 GMT -5
No
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Post by Jackie Kong on Apr 29, 2018 16:49:24 GMT -5
Sorry. Go back to your business. ;-|
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Post by Steve Jobs on Apr 29, 2018 17:19:19 GMT -5
(Season) 22.5 mpg 47% fg 36%3fg 77%ft 6.8 rpg 1.7apg 0.7 spg 0.3 bpg 13.2 ppg (Per36) 47% fg 36%3fg 77%ft 10.9rpg 2.7apg 1.1 spg 0.5bpg 21.1ppg 19.7per 55% true 26 usuage 3.5 win shares So yea i value this over the #17-22 pick and a 21 1st that might not even convey Consider the reasons for a 23 year old to continue getting significantly below 36 mpg even after his main competition for starters minutes gets traded... sometimes per 36 should be STRONGLY ignored, and this is one of those times. Those two picks, with VERY minimal scouting effort, could easily turn into comparable good players (two of them) that you'll have for cheap for at least 6-8 years... and that's not even to mention that these picks could probably be used in a trade for something far more valuable.
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Post by Stuff The Magic Dragon on Apr 29, 2018 17:35:10 GMT -5
Bobby Portis will be the next Larry Sanders
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Post by Justin Timberlake on Apr 29, 2018 20:11:20 GMT -5
Can you even put a protection on a pick that isn't yours?
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Post by Jackie Kong on Apr 29, 2018 21:00:00 GMT -5
Can you even put a protection on a pick that isn't yours? Pretty sure you can't. At least, that is what I was told when I asked a while ago.
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Post by Paul Pierce on Apr 29, 2018 21:04:47 GMT -5
Can you even put a protection on a pick that isn't yours? it was already protected
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Post by Justin Timberlake on Apr 29, 2018 21:11:08 GMT -5
Can you even put a protection on a pick that isn't yours? it was already protected So this trade is exactly the same except the 2nd round pick?
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