Paul Pierce
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Post by Paul Pierce on Jun 17, 2018 12:34:52 GMT -5
GSW trades
66 Devin Booker $1,932,800 $2,761,971 (QO)$3,819,806 56 Tarik Black $1,900,000 $1,800,000
CHI trades
65 Zach Lavine $3,202,218 $4,428,667 (QO) #18 2020 Chicago 1st top 3 protected no conveyance
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Paul Pierce
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Post by Paul Pierce on Jun 17, 2018 12:38:17 GMT -5
Accept, I've made a lot of moves this week. Flipping pick 9 for a bunch of firsts. Then trading those firsts and Hart for Lavine. Now I'm trading lavine and some decent picks for Booker. I think Booker is a tremendous talent and pairing him with Fultz and Jabari should finally give my team the core it needs.
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Post by Ron Artest(1x Champ) on Jun 17, 2018 12:39:09 GMT -5
Good trade for both sides, Booker is undoubtedly an upgrade over Lavine, and a young piece to add to the Bulls rebuild. GSW get a good shooter on cheap, along with a draft pick that he could potentially package to move up in this draft.
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Post by Penny Hardaway on Jun 17, 2018 12:50:03 GMT -5
Warriors agree we take a drop in talent but get into the draft this year and a asset in a future pick.
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Post by Paul Pierce on Jun 17, 2018 12:51:41 GMT -5
So overall this is what I've basically traded this week #9 #18 Josh Hart 2020 1st top 3 protected Some 2nds
For Booker Magics 19 1st Tarik Black
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Post by White Mamba on Jun 17, 2018 15:21:24 GMT -5
Jesus christ. Golden State just downgraded from Gobert to Lavine, gaining a measly 2 1st round picks in the process. That is such an awful return.
Other franchises would be ruined by this series of trades, luckily for the warriors they have amazing surrounding talent. For that reason I'll accept. But again, terrible, horrible, no good, very bad move for GSW. I have little doubt in a few years the warriors gm will look back incredulously on these moves.
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Post by Jackie Kong on Jun 17, 2018 15:28:25 GMT -5
^ 3 1sts, Lavine and Vucecic.
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Post by Yeezy on Jun 17, 2018 15:47:43 GMT -5
Booker being passed around like a little slut.
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Post by Penny Hardaway on Jun 17, 2018 16:03:19 GMT -5
^ 3 1sts, Lavine and Vucecic. And cap room.... But still looking to make some moves like i said Gobert or Curry neing dealt was just the first move so i can get some wiggle room
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Post by Paul Pierce on Jun 17, 2018 16:06:50 GMT -5
1-0 in favor of accept. Let's get this done before Steve comes ;)
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Post by Ron Artest(1x Champ) on Jun 17, 2018 16:18:21 GMT -5
Booker being passed around like a little slut. take it back
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jun 17, 2018 17:06:43 GMT -5
^ 3 1sts, Lavine and Vucecic. And cap room.... But still looking to make some moves like i said Gobert or Curry neing dealt was just the first move so i can get some wiggle room What cap room? You have to pay Lavine immediately...
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Post by Paul Pierce on Jun 17, 2018 17:11:11 GMT -5
And cap room.... But still looking to make some moves like i said Gobert or Curry neing dealt was just the first move so i can get some wiggle room What cap room? You have to pay Lavine immediately... Damn he found the thread
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Post by Jackie Kong on Jun 17, 2018 17:14:15 GMT -5
QO cap hold does stay till the end of off-season though.
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jun 17, 2018 17:16:19 GMT -5
Lavine and two mid firsts (unless I'm misinterpreting what's included on CHI's end of the deal) for Booker isn't rejectable... especially since I might be one of the GM's with the highest opinion of Lavine's ceiling and I'm not incredibly high on Booker... But I'm going to reject purely because PP expected me to and the chances of this not passing are pretty minimal...
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jun 17, 2018 17:18:56 GMT -5
QO cap hold does stay till the end of off-season though. Which means he maybe has the means to make an extra signing before paying Lavine about what Gobert was making, but his apparent concerns for the luxury tax/hard cap is completely ignored in this deal since long-term he most likely still has a large $20M+ salary on the books where Gobert used to be.
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Post by Paul Pierce on Jun 17, 2018 17:19:58 GMT -5
Lavine and two mid firsts (unless I'm misinterpreting what's included on CHI's end of the deal) for Booker isn't rejectable... especially since I might be one of the GM's with the highest opinion of Lavine's ceiling and I'm not incredibly high on Booker... But I'm going to reject purely because PP expected me to and the chances of this not passing are pretty minimal... I didn't think you'd reject haha, just playing around because you're notorious for being the most strict on trades.
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Post by Penny Hardaway on Jun 17, 2018 17:35:19 GMT -5
And cap room.... But still looking to make some moves like i said Gobert or Curry neing dealt was just the first move so i can get some wiggle room What cap room? You have to pay Lavine immediately... Thats if Lavine is on our team and he would cost less then Booker to resign is where we automatically save some, but we have other trades and offers in the works chipping away at our collective cap situation.
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jun 17, 2018 17:43:58 GMT -5
Lavine and two mid firsts (unless I'm misinterpreting what's included on CHI's end of the deal) for Booker isn't rejectable... especially since I might be one of the GM's with the highest opinion of Lavine's ceiling and I'm not incredibly high on Booker... But I'm going to reject purely because PP expected me to and the chances of this not passing are pretty minimal... I didn't think you'd reject haha, just playing around because you're notorious for being the most strict on trades. Haha, I know I was just playing around too. If it seemed a little more questionable or the vote ends up closer than I expect I'd definitely flip my vote to a serious accept.
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jun 17, 2018 17:46:06 GMT -5
What cap room? You have to pay Lavine immediately... Thats if Lavine is on our team and he would cost less then Booker to resign is where we automatically save some, but we have other trades and offers in the works chipping away at our collective cap situation. He'll only cost less than Booker if the cap continues going up before Booker's rookie deal is up, and regardless, I think you'd be better off keeping Booker for now and knowing you don't have to pay him for a while rather than this trade giving you an even more difficult player to trade and a stronger need to do so if you're intending to cut cap.
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Post by Penny Hardaway on Jun 17, 2018 17:58:09 GMT -5
Thats if Lavine is on our team and he would cost less then Booker to resign is where we automatically save some, but we have other trades and offers in the works chipping away at our collective cap situation. He'll only cost less than Booker if the cap continues going up before Booker's rookie deal is up, and regardless, I think you'd be better off keeping Booker for now and knowing you don't have to pay him for a while rather than this trade giving you an even more difficult player to trade and a stronger need to do so if you're intending to cut cap. Seems most gm's value Booker over Zach that alone will drive up the market for Booker especially if Booker pans out he would be closer to 30 mil a yr even if Zach cost me 20 mil I saved 10mil a yr in long run but overall i have a SG so im more looking to trade Zach and get more assets and cap room in long run.
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jun 17, 2018 18:11:07 GMT -5
He'll only cost less than Booker if the cap continues going up before Booker's rookie deal is up, and regardless, I think you'd be better off keeping Booker for now and knowing you don't have to pay him for a while rather than this trade giving you an even more difficult player to trade and a stronger need to do so if you're intending to cut cap. Seems most gm's value Booker over Zach that alone will drive up the market for Booker especially if Booker pans out he would be closer to 30 mil a yr even if Zach cost me 20 mil I saved 10mil a yr in long run but overall i have a SG so im more looking to trade Zach and get more assets and cap room in long run. Max contracts are a percentage of the cap, not just an arbitrary number based on talent/"market value". For Booker to make $30M he'll either have to qualify for the Rose rule (doubtful) or the cap would have to balloon to $120M. Same with Lavine, unless you get away with signing him for less than max you'll owe him 25% of the cap... currently projected for $101M, which comes out to just over $25M + appropriate raises.
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Post by Paul Pierce on Jun 17, 2018 18:15:02 GMT -5
Seems most gm's value Booker over Zach that alone will drive up the market for Booker especially if Booker pans out he would be closer to 30 mil a yr even if Zach cost me 20 mil I saved 10mil a yr in long run but overall i have a SG so im more looking to trade Zach and get more assets and cap room in long run. Max contracts are a percentage of the cap, not just an arbitrary number based on talent/"market value". For Booker to make $30M he'll either have to qualify for the Rose rule (doubtful) or the cap would have to balloon to $120M. Same with Lavine, unless you get away with signing him for less than max you'll owe him 25% of the cap... currently projected for $101M, which comes out to just over $25M + appropriate raises. I think he believes that lavine won't get maxed. Also the cap should increase at least by a few million when Booker is a FA. You don't think he'll qualify for rose rule?
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Post by Penny Hardaway on Jun 17, 2018 18:18:21 GMT -5
Seems most gm's value Booker over Zach that alone will drive up the market for Booker especially if Booker pans out he would be closer to 30 mil a yr even if Zach cost me 20 mil I saved 10mil a yr in long run but overall i have a SG so im more looking to trade Zach and get more assets and cap room in long run. Max contracts are a percentage of the cap, not just an arbitrary number based on talent/"market value". For Booker to make $30M he'll either have to qualify for the Rose rule (doubtful) or the cap would have to balloon to $120M. Same with Lavine, unless you get away with signing him for less than max you'll owe him 25% of the cap... currently projected for $101M, which comes out to just over $25M + appropriate raises. We doubt Zach will be a max player , but we also doubt he will be Warrior. As of now he is not in our long term plans, we have time to think and gauge market for him this was a lateral move to bring in more assets to further make other trades as now i have the 18th pick and future picks to sweeten up a deal if needed.
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Post by Paul Pierce on Jun 17, 2018 18:20:10 GMT -5
Seems most gm's value Booker over Zach that alone will drive up the market for Booker especially if Booker pans out he would be closer to 30 mil a yr even if Zach cost me 20 mil I saved 10mil a yr in long run but overall i have a SG so im more looking to trade Zach and get more assets and cap room in long run. Max contracts are a percentage of the cap, not just an arbitrary number based on talent/"market value". For Booker to make $30M he'll either have to qualify for the Rose rule (doubtful) or the cap would have to balloon to $120M. Same with Lavine, unless you get away with signing him for less than max you'll owe him 25% of the cap... currently projected for $101M, which comes out to just over $25M + appropriate raises. nevermind, I thought the criteria was 2 time allstar not starter
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Post by Jackie Kong on Jun 17, 2018 18:23:56 GMT -5
I expect Warriors to make at least 7 more trades this off-season.
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Post by Penny Hardaway on Jun 17, 2018 18:26:46 GMT -5
Max contracts are a percentage of the cap, not just an arbitrary number based on talent/"market value". For Booker to make $30M he'll either have to qualify for the Rose rule (doubtful) or the cap would have to balloon to $120M. Same with Lavine, unless you get away with signing him for less than max you'll owe him 25% of the cap... currently projected for $101M, which comes out to just over $25M + appropriate raises. I think he believes that lavine won't get maxed. Also the cap should increase at least by a few million when Booker is a FA. You don't think he'll qualify for rose rule? He wont get the Rose rule thats almost impossible.
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jun 17, 2018 18:27:57 GMT -5
Max contracts are a percentage of the cap, not just an arbitrary number based on talent/"market value". For Booker to make $30M he'll either have to qualify for the Rose rule (doubtful) or the cap would have to balloon to $120M. Same with Lavine, unless you get away with signing him for less than max you'll owe him 25% of the cap... currently projected for $101M, which comes out to just over $25M + appropriate raises. I think he believes that lavine won't get maxed. Also the cap should increase at least by a few million when Booker is a FA. You don't think he'll qualify for rose rule? Rose rule is you qualify for 30% if you get any one of: - voted All-Star starter twice - All-NBA twice - MVP Booker has one year left on his rookie deal and hasn't been an All-Star starter or voted All-NBA, so he'd basically have to win MVP to make it happen. As for Lavine making less than the max... I'll just say, I genuinely doubt it.
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Post by Paul Pierce on Jun 17, 2018 21:04:51 GMT -5
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Post by Yeezy on Jun 17, 2018 21:42:53 GMT -5
Approve. 1 young, high upside SG for a different high upside SG. Which one ends up better? No one knows. Booker has an extra year of control and has that dope fade haircut thing so he costs a bit more. Time will tell who wins this, hopefully CHI, because I have GSW 2020 first.
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