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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jun 17, 2018 20:30:18 GMT -5
You know I've gotta get in on this trading frenzy
MIN Sends:
65 Otto Porter $24,750,000 $26,606,250 $28,601,719 $30,746,848
Pick 30
Total outgoing: 24,750,000
Total incoming: 18,104,000
TOR sends:
60 Ed Davis $7,500,000 $7,500,000 $7,500,000
63 Rodney Hood $2,386,864 $3,472,887(QO)
56 Caris Levert $1,417,200 $1,478,200 $2,276,428(TO) $3,246,186(QO)
Contracts of
A.J. Hammons $969,190
Kay Felder $969,190
Joel Bolomboy $969,190
Damien Inglis $1,251,245
Luc Mbah a Moute 1,200,000
Sim Bhullar $1,500,000
James Jones $1,000,000
Total outgoing: 20,102,849
Total incoming: 24,750,000
Difference: <4,600,000
Cap Space before: 7,298,925
TOR is able to absorb the difference in cap space to make the deal work financially--Please note that because Ivan Rabb is listed on the TOR roster page, our cap as listed on the roster page is 1,000,000 less than in should be. Additionally, on the roster page the contracts of Felder and Hammons should be expiring, just as Bolomboy's is. The money listed there is a team option and QO, which should (and currently is) be off the books once the player is waived.
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Paul Pierce
 Chicago Bulls
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MIN - TOR
Jun 17, 2018 20:48:54 GMT -5
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Post by Paul Pierce on Jun 17, 2018 20:48:54 GMT -5
Hmmmm
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jun 17, 2018 20:52:36 GMT -5
Sorry to disappoint y'all, but looks like this trade isn't going to happen (at least in it's current form)
Nick and I had a last minute miscommunication
PS FUCK the guy who sent in an offer on Porter as I was typing this up
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Paul Pierce
Chicago Bulls
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Jun 17, 2018 20:58:12 GMT -5
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Post by Paul Pierce on Jun 17, 2018 20:58:12 GMT -5
Sorry to disappoint y'all, but looks like this trade isn't going to happen (at least in it's current form) Nick and I had a last minute miscommunication PS FUCK the guy who sent in an offer on Porter as I was typing this up damn, this was a great deal for you too |
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jun 17, 2018 21:03:06 GMT -5
Sorry to disappoint y'all, but looks like this trade isn't going to happen (at least in it's current form) Nick and I had a last minute miscommunication PS FUCK the guy who sent in an offer on Porter as I was typing this up damn, this was a great deal for you too I agree |
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jun 17, 2018 21:57:40 GMT -5
Trade is updated-- we're back on. @xavier0717
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jun 17, 2018 22:03:49 GMT -5
TOR Accepts this deal. At first I was hesitant to take on Porter's salary, but his shooting is just too good to pass up. He's a great player at a position of need (SF) for my team, and I really like the frontcourt potential of Lauri, Porter, and Kuzma. Obviously they all can be prolific scorers, but more importantly they're all mobile enough to be switchable defenders, with enough length to body most bigs. My team as assembled right now isn't a huge FA destination, so acquiring porter helps us move that direction, and also makes use of unused cap space.
I traded 30 originally for Hood, received Davis as a side effect in the sequence that got me pick 9, and drafted LeVert at pick 19 in the first year of our rebuild. Overall I think this is a good way to consolidate some mid-tier assets for a guy who is still young and has a lot of value, even if his salary is a bit high. I think Porter is a relatively movable asset--especially if in combination with some of my other pieces. If you were trading a superstar, wouldn't you look twice at Porter + Kuz? I think so. Overall this trade is a good balance of immediate improvement, long term stability, and a good fit for my main core.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jun 17, 2018 22:04:40 GMT -5
Trade is updated-- we're back on. @xavier0717 this deal is not he same lol The change is that we reworked the deal to not involve McRae's contract. |
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MIN - TOR
Jun 17, 2018 22:07:13 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2018 22:07:13 GMT -5
I ACCEPT
I like hood and believe james will be gone and hell be a big time scoring option for the cavs! Also a big levert believer! Hood is also not a max player so this saves me some cap to resign my other guys and another possible free agent to give me a good mix of young and seasoned vets with a very deep team
Good dealings
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Paul Pierce
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Post by Paul Pierce on Jun 17, 2018 22:13:55 GMT -5
Accept, great move for both. I think hood can bounce back from a sketchy season. Plus Levert is a stud. Porter is also an elite shooter who can be a good 3rd option on a good team
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Walt Frazier
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 17, 2018 22:50:25 GMT -5
I was told tonight that we can't move expiring contracts anymore until salaries roll over to next season. Do expiring dead money contracts not count? Just curious, not trying to kill a deal, want to know for my own communications
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MIN - TOR
Jun 17, 2018 23:16:29 GMT -5
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jun 17, 2018 23:16:29 GMT -5
I was told tonight that we can't move expiring contracts anymore until salaries roll over to next season. Do expiring dead money contracts not count? Just curious, not trying to kill a deal, want to know for my own communications ? |
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White Mamba
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Post by White Mamba on Jun 18, 2018 13:29:27 GMT -5
What exactly is Minny's plan? He's simultaneously trading one of his best players for young prospects, trying to resign veteran free agents and trading away a draft pick. Is he rebuilding or contending?
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MIN - TOR
Jun 18, 2018 14:32:11 GMT -5
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jun 18, 2018 14:32:11 GMT -5
Took Neal out of this trade--hopefully it's legal now?
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MIN - TOR
Jun 18, 2018 14:37:54 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 14:37:54 GMT -5
C. whiteside
Pf love
Sf hood
Sg barton
Pg lowry
6 dinwiddie
7 portis
8 oubre
9 levert
10 davis
11 bertans
12 hart
13 Augustine
14 rabb
15 dotson
Is my plan
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Pete Maravich
 Washington Wizards
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Post by Pete Maravich on Jun 18, 2018 14:38:16 GMT -5
Looks like the dead money isn't represented correctly. Hammons & Felder is multiple years & the rest has already expired.
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Jun 18, 2018 15:02:29 GMT -5
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jun 18, 2018 15:02:29 GMT -5
Looks like the dead money isn't represented correctly. Hammons & Felder is multiple years & the rest has already expired. We're trading in the 17-18 year, just like the rest of the recent deals. Felder and Hammons are incorrect on the roster sheet--I noted that in my original post. They were waived before we started doing this, but since 18-19 and 19-20 are team options and QOs on their deals, respectively, they both expire at the end of 17-18 |
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Pete Maravich
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Jun 18, 2018 16:39:27 GMT -5
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Post by Pete Maravich on Jun 18, 2018 16:39:27 GMT -5
Only restricted FAs were moved in other deals as far as I am aware.
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Jun 18, 2018 17:34:05 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 17:34:05 GMT -5
Why would dead contracts matter? In essence its basically cash
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billy
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Post by billy on Jun 18, 2018 17:43:35 GMT -5
I was told tonight that we can't move expiring contracts anymore until salaries roll over to next season. Do expiring dead money contracts not count? Just curious, not trying to kill a deal, want to know for my own communications lol this is a really good question and also an incredibly easy way to get around trading the rule against trading expirings. Let me think about it for like an hour. Hard to weigh the obvious rule destruction (easily flout trading expirings rule by just cutting the guy then trading him) vs the fact that I dont think it's been explicity disallowed |
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Jun 18, 2018 17:55:14 GMT -5
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jun 18, 2018 17:55:14 GMT -5
I was told tonight that we can't move expiring contracts anymore until salaries roll over to next season. Do expiring dead money contracts not count? Just curious, not trying to kill a deal, want to know for my own communications lol this is a really good question and also an incredibly easy way to get around trading the rule against trading expirings. Let me think about it for like an hour. Hard to weigh the obvious rule destruction (easily flout trading expirings rule by just cutting the guy then trading him) vs the fact that I dont think it's been explicity disallowed For what it's worth, all of these guys have been cut since the paleozoic era |
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Allan Houston
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Post by Allan Houston on Jun 18, 2018 18:30:31 GMT -5
I haven't spoken up bc I think it's probably better to err in the side that favors more player movement (and generally I stay out of the trades), but in the NBA for this period between the end of the season and the season turn-over, any possibly expiring contract is untradeable, including players with options and QOs. (Though QOs we'd have to think about. I think it makes a difference that they're automatically extended here) If they have a TO, you have to pick it up before trading. Dead money trading doesn't exist in the NBA, but I would think it would work similarly. And I think that's how we have done it in the past. Essentially, we're working with 2018-19 assets but 2017-18 cap figures. And that's why you rarely see NBA trades during this period.
That said, we're not necessarily beholden to what the NBA does.
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billy
Miami Heat
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Post by billy on Jun 18, 2018 20:17:37 GMT -5
I haven't spoken up bc I think it's probably better to err in the side that favors more player movement (and generally I stay out of the trades), but in the NBA for this period between the end of the season and the season turn-over, any possibly expiring contract is untradeable, including players with options and QOs. (Though QOs we'd have to think about. I think it makes a difference that they're automatically extended here) If they have a TO, you have to pick it up before trading. Dead money trading doesn't exist in the NBA, but I would think it would work similarly. And I think that's how we have done it in the past. Essentially, we're working with 2018-19 assets but 2017-18 cap figures. And that's why you rarely see NBA trades during this period. That said, we're not necessarily beholden to what the NBA does. This makes sense. We'll keep the expirings rule, but it won't apply to dead money. This'll keep the rule still intact mostly, because it has to be an expiring player the receiving team isn't wanting to re-sign. *gavel* |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 20:19:43 GMT -5
So this trade is good than?
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billy
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Post by billy on Jun 18, 2018 20:19:43 GMT -5
So, yes, you can cut someone and trade their expiring dead money.
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billy
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Post by billy on Jun 18, 2018 20:21:49 GMT -5
Updated trading regulations:
(In-Game Date) Day 110: Trade Deadline for all players with expiring contracts. No expiring players can be traded after April 19th. This does not include dead money contracts.
Playoff Elimination: Non-expiring trading resumes, however contracts do not roll over until the beginning of free agency.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jun 18, 2018 20:26:38 GMT -5
Dank, let's get some votes--so far we've got one accept
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White Mamba
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Post by White Mamba on Jun 19, 2018 7:49:06 GMT -5
I'll accept even though I don't like it for the reasons I outlined above
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billy
Miami Heat
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Post by billy on Jun 21, 2018 18:47:34 GMT -5
this is lmao trade but minny deserves it
accept
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Jackie Kong
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Post by Jackie Kong on Jun 21, 2018 19:51:52 GMT -5
this is lmao trade but minny deserves it Not sure I got what you meant. I think nve didn't either.  |
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