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Post by Steve Jobs on Jun 27, 2018 9:20:50 GMT -5
I wish we could see a couple days into the future to know if the star FAs flooding into LA becomes reality. If so, Randle for any price tag becomes worthless (short of getting traded, which seems unlikely). As it stands, he's far too expensive an RFA to be acquiring him as a bench piece, and far too close to having almost all production value stripped to feel like he's worth this.
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Post by Penny Hardaway on Jun 27, 2018 9:24:02 GMT -5
"GOBERT IS TOO EXPENSIVE" *TRADES FOR JULIUS RANDLE* lmao Funny how near sighted you guys are like i trade gobert for randle.....but again your not looking at my team or plan. I Never said he wasnt worth his contract. Here we go once again ..... It was about if i kept same team and signed kat i would be stuck for next 3 years with no depth , no picks or assets besides my starters and ballooning cap paying 3 players 80mil to be knocked out of the playoffs because once they go to the bench we are screwed. Ill gladly play a deep team the luxary tax then 3 starters 80+ mil because now i can at least trade valuable players ofd bench if i dont like how team is , this keeps my flexable and i love it but thats me.
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Post by Penny Hardaway on Jun 27, 2018 9:35:45 GMT -5
I wish we could see a couple days into the future to know if the star FAs flooding into LA becomes reality. If so, Randle for any price tag becomes worthless (short of getting traded, which seems unlikely). As it stands, he's far too expensive an RFA to be acquiring him as a bench piece, and far too close to having almost all production value stripped to feel like he's worth this. So if he was a starter this trade would be fine? Whether on bench or starter he his worth what he is worth. You guys are judging what im paying for a bench piece who really we could put in starting lineup at sf. How about lets judge the trade as it is Zaire Smith for Randle and a 1st nothing wrong with this as its a prospect for an already proven player plus we get back into draft to possibly even move up...
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Paul Pierce
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Post by Paul Pierce on Jun 27, 2018 9:38:52 GMT -5
I wish we could see a couple days into the future to know if the star FAs flooding into LA becomes reality. If so, Randle for any price tag becomes worthless (short of getting traded, which seems unlikely). As it stands, he's far too expensive an RFA to be acquiring him as a bench piece, and far too close to having almost all production value stripped to feel like he's worth this. You guys are judging what im paying for a bench piece who really we could put in starting lineup at sf. How about lets judge the trade as it is Zaire Smith for Randle and a 1st nothing wrong with this as its a prospect for an already proven player plus we get back into draft to possibly even move up... randle can not play sf lmao.
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Post by billy on Jun 27, 2018 9:44:15 GMT -5
"GOBERT IS TOO EXPENSIVE" *TRADES FOR JULIUS RANDLE* lmao Funny how near sighted you guys are like i trade gobert for randle.....but again your not looking at my team or plan. I Never said he wasnt worth his contract. Here we go once again ..... It was about if i kept same team and signed kat i would be stuck for next 3 years with no depth , no picks or assets besides my starters and ballooning cap paying 3 players 80mil to be knocked out of the playoffs because once they go to the bench we are screwed. Ill gladly play a deep team the luxary tax then 3 starters 80+ mil because now i can at least trade valuable players ofd bench if i dont like how team is , this keeps my flexable and i love it but thats me. So now you're stuck with Randle and Marcus Smart yeah great plan
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Steve Jobs
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jun 27, 2018 9:45:07 GMT -5
I wish we could see a couple days into the future to know if the star FAs flooding into LA becomes reality. If so, Randle for any price tag becomes worthless (short of getting traded, which seems unlikely). As it stands, he's far too expensive an RFA to be acquiring him as a bench piece, and far too close to having almost all production value stripped to feel like he's worth this. You guys are judging what im paying for a bench piece who really we could put in starting lineup at sf. How about lets judge the trade as it is Zaire Smith for Randle and a 1st nothing wrong with this as its a prospect for an already proven player plus we get back into draft to possibly even move up... For starters, I didn't pass a vote so no reason to jump down my throat. All I'm saying is that Randle may go from a guy that might be a first option on any given night he's hot to a guy that could start for 35 minutes a night and still won't average 10+ points per game next to LeBron,PG, and Boogie/Kawhi. If he's that for the most formative years of his career, his ceiling is severely limited and - as I said before - not really worth having for any price tag. LeBron by himself guarantees that any big men on his team who aren't 3 point snipers are glorified defensive role players at best. If you pay $10m+ for Randle just to see a bunch of stars team up in LA and vacate any value he had built up, the jump down for 9 to 22 will seem absolutely asinine. Plus, Zhaire Smith has a lot of potential and actually has a good chance of taking over at starting SF for you in the next year or so (Gay is really his only competition atm). Randle is stuck behind KAT and a bunch of other dudes in a big rotation that makes him being elevated to starter importance for you dependent on his RL production (which like I said, I expect to drop off a cliff).
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Post by Penny Hardaway on Jun 27, 2018 9:51:10 GMT -5
You guys are judging what im paying for a bench piece who really we could put in starting lineup at sf. How about lets judge the trade as it is Zaire Smith for Randle and a 1st nothing wrong with this as its a prospect for an already proven player plus we get back into draft to possibly even move up... For starters, I didn't pass a vote so no reason to jump down my throat. All I'm saying is that Randle may go from a guy that might be a first option on any given night he's hot to a guy that could start for 35 minutes a night and still won't average 10+ points per game next to LeBron,PG, and Boogie/Kawhi. If he's that for the most formative years of his career, his ceiling is severely limited and - as I said before - not really worth having for any price tag. LeBron by himself guarantees that any big men on his team who aren't 3 point snipers are glorified defensive role players at best. If you pay $10m+ for Randle just to see a bunch of stars team up in LA and vacate any value he had built up, the jump down for 9 to 22 will seem absolutely asinine. Plus, Zhaire Smith has a lot of potential and actually has a good chance of taking over at starting SF for you in the next year or so (Gay is really his only competition atm). Randle is stuck behind KAT and a bunch of other dudes in a big rotation that makes him being elevated to starter importance for you dependent on his RL production (which like I said, I expect to drop off a cliff). Thing is we expect randle to not be a Laker especially if lebron and kwhai or pg head there. There wont be enough room thats why they didn't pick up his offer sheet saying that we think he will sign with a team thats gonna start him....
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Post by Penny Hardaway on Jun 27, 2018 9:53:51 GMT -5
Funny how near sighted you guys are like i trade gobert for randle.....but again your not looking at my team or plan. I Never said he wasnt worth his contract. Here we go once again ..... It was about if i kept same team and signed kat i would be stuck for next 3 years with no depth , no picks or assets besides my starters and ballooning cap paying 3 players 80mil to be knocked out of the playoffs because once they go to the bench we are screwed. Ill gladly play a deep team the luxary tax then 3 starters 80+ mil because now i can at least trade valuable players ofd bench if i dont like how team is , this keeps my flexable and i love it but thats me. So now you're stuck with Randle and Marcus Smart yeah great plan Smh yes that the plan , im competing in 2-3 years if i sign randle to a good contract and he performs i can trade Randle or even smart as they are valuable assets to other gms , otherwise we wouldnt even be talking about paying a lot for them because teams wouldn't bId on them right?
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Steve Jobs
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jun 27, 2018 9:55:49 GMT -5
So now you're stuck with Randle and Marcus Smart yeah great plan Smh yes that the plan , im competing in 2-3 years if i sign randle to a good contract and he performs i can trade Randle or even smart as they are valuable assets to other gms , otherwise we wouldnt even be talking about paying a lot for them because teams wouldn't bId on them right? Nah, GMs here are notorious about driving up the price on RFAs they don't want...
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jun 27, 2018 9:57:36 GMT -5
For starters, I didn't pass a vote so no reason to jump down my throat. All I'm saying is that Randle may go from a guy that might be a first option on any given night he's hot to a guy that could start for 35 minutes a night and still won't average 10+ points per game next to LeBron,PG, and Boogie/Kawhi. If he's that for the most formative years of his career, his ceiling is severely limited and - as I said before - not really worth having for any price tag. LeBron by himself guarantees that any big men on his team who aren't 3 point snipers are glorified defensive role players at best. If you pay $10m+ for Randle just to see a bunch of stars team up in LA and vacate any value he had built up, the jump down for 9 to 22 will seem absolutely asinine. Plus, Zhaire Smith has a lot of potential and actually has a good chance of taking over at starting SF for you in the next year or so (Gay is really his only competition atm). Randle is stuck behind KAT and a bunch of other dudes in a big rotation that makes him being elevated to starter importance for you dependent on his RL production (which like I said, I expect to drop off a cliff). Thing is we expect randle to not be a Laker especially if lebron and kwhai or pg head there. There wont be enough room thats why they didn't pick up his offer sheet saying that we think he will sign with a team thats gonna start him.... We'll see... I can't find anything about the Lakers not extending an offer sheet to Randle, and short of signing Boogie, I don't know who they'd expect to soak up minutes at center if Randle walks and they let go of Lopez for other free agents... either way, this scenario is a MAJOR "If" that affects the value of this deal tremendously.
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Post by Paul Pierce on Jun 27, 2018 9:58:03 GMT -5
Smh yes that the plan , im competing in 2-3 years if i sign randle to a good contract and he performs i can trade Randle or even smart as they are valuable assets to other gms , otherwise we wouldnt even be talking about paying a lot for them because teams wouldn't bId on them right? Nah, GMs here are notorious about driving up the price on RFAs they don't want... Yup, Stockton offered Tobias Harris a max contract knowing that I had to match because I loved him. I'll probabaly offer randle or smart if I dump jeffersons salary
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Post by Penny Hardaway on Jun 27, 2018 10:10:39 GMT -5
Smh yes that the plan , im competing in 2-3 years if i sign randle to a good contract and he performs i can trade Randle or even smart as they are valuable assets to other gms , otherwise we wouldnt even be talking about paying a lot for them because teams wouldn't bId on them right? Nah, GMs here are notorious about driving up the price on RFAs they don't want... Do we not have sign and trade? If someone reall wants him that bad sure its something we can work out since i have his rights
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Post by Penny Hardaway on Jun 27, 2018 10:15:03 GMT -5
Nah, GMs here are notorious about driving up the price on RFAs they don't want... Yup, Stockton offered Tobias Harris a max contract knowing that I had to match because I loved him. I'll probabaly offer randle or smart if I dump jeffersons salary Maybe we can work something out then..... Im always open to idea s
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Steve Jobs
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jun 27, 2018 10:15:04 GMT -5
Nah, GMs here are notorious about driving up the price on RFAs they don't want... Do we not have sign and trade? If someone reall wants him that bad sure its something we can work out since i have his rights We do have freedom to trade RFAs in their QO offseason and immediately after the deal is signed, but that presumes the people offering him big deals actually want him on their team, which like I said, they usually don't.
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Post by Penny Hardaway on Jun 27, 2018 10:16:40 GMT -5
Do we not have sign and trade? If someone reall wants him that bad sure its something we can work out since i have his rights We do have freedom to trade RFAs in their QO offseason and immediately after the deal is signed, but that presumes the people offering him big deals actually want him on their team, which like I said, they usually don't. Well thats being a horrible gm especially if i dont accept the offer. They get someone nobody will want for an outrageous contract
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Post by Jackie Kong on Jun 27, 2018 11:37:01 GMT -5
The only RFA massive overpay that comes to my mind right now is Kentavious Caldwell-Pope. x_x
Keep in mind that a max offer for a rfa a couple of seasons ago wasn't such a big thing because people knew the cap would jump dramatically the year after.
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Post by Penny Hardaway on Jun 27, 2018 11:46:59 GMT -5
The only RFA massive overpay that comes to my mind right now is Kentavious Caldwell-Pope. x_x Keep in mind that a max offer for a rfa a couple of seasons ago wasn't such a big thing because people knew the cap would jump dramatically the year after. Will cap rise this year wheres that info or hows it assessed?
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Steve Jobs
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jun 27, 2018 11:49:05 GMT -5
The only RFA massive overpay that comes to my mind right now is Kentavious Caldwell-Pope. x_x Keep in mind that a max offer for a rfa a couple of seasons ago wasn't such a big thing because people knew the cap would jump dramatically the year after. After I realized my team was an easy exit that year, I based my entire offseason strategy on cutting cap and signing RFAs (draymond green, Khris Middleton, and Reggie Jackson) since I knew their deals would look amazing in a couple years and at the time we hadn't added bird rights either so RFA was the best guarantee to keep a player long term. The league has come a very long way since then. haha
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jun 27, 2018 11:49:42 GMT -5
The only RFA massive overpay that comes to my mind right now is Kentavious Caldwell-Pope. x_x Keep in mind that a max offer for a rfa a couple of seasons ago wasn't such a big thing because people knew the cap would jump dramatically the year after. Will cap rise this year wheres that info or hows it assessed? Nah, maybe a couple million but nothing dramatic. I've seen something around $101M projections, but I haven't checked in a while.
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Post by Ron Artest(1x Champ) on Jun 27, 2018 13:31:24 GMT -5
Next year is when it’ll really get interesting with the predicted ‘cap boom’ cap could rise to 108M on top of a lot of teams having money next year!
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Post by Gregg Popovich on Jun 27, 2018 15:40:30 GMT -5
Did someone say...SALARY CAP? Hi guys
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Post by billy on Jun 27, 2018 16:15:38 GMT -5
Trade to be reworked Voided Glad you decided to correct the NVE name. Got to hate that excel avatar. Embarrassing admission of the day (to stay humble): I didn't connect the name and avatar until you said something here. I just figured NVE didn't know how to properly work the avatar button lol
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2018 16:20:15 GMT -5
Lmao
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Post by Gregg Popovich on Jun 27, 2018 19:00:09 GMT -5
Next year is when it’ll really get interesting with the predicted ‘cap boom’ cap could rise to 108M on top of a lot of teams having money next year! that'll be released on june 30th but it's been projected that it's 101m
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Post by Gregg Popovich on Jun 27, 2018 19:05:10 GMT -5
accept, based on everyone's perception on this year's class the 22th pick will probably be serviceable.
gsw gets 2 decent players while kings continue to build it's empire with young men ;)
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Post by Allan Houston on Jun 27, 2018 19:44:31 GMT -5
Trade processed
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Paul Pierce
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Post by Paul Pierce on Jul 2, 2018 17:56:54 GMT -5
Randle to NOP lol
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