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Post by Steve Jobs on May 13, 2020 11:54:26 GMT -5
Wall is in a similar boat, but has dealt with way more serious injuries. Either way, he has the potential to come back and still be a great player for Washington, if not a max-caliber star, if he can get healthy. I still wonder though if Memphis outbidded himself massively with Wall's contract. Say he offered $20M per season for 5 years instead of a $27M starting salary with $2M annual increases for 5 years like he did? Did anyone would have come close to that? I actually had him more in the $15M range as a gamble. Absolutely outbid himself, but not into “top 3 worst contracts in the league” territory. If John Wall never plays a game, that contract is bad. If John Wall averages 14/9 for the rest of his career he wouldn’t even be close to the most overpaid PG in the league.
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Post by Steve Jobs on May 13, 2020 11:57:51 GMT -5
What do you think about the butterfly keyboard? Have you already ditched it for the new 2020? We’re working on a keyboard-less laptop right now. Let’s us make the laptop so thin that it’s basically just a screen.
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Post by Jackie Kong on May 13, 2020 12:22:03 GMT -5
I still wonder though if Memphis outbidded himself massively with Wall's contract. Say he offered $20M per season for 5 years instead of a $27M starting salary with $2M annual increases for 5 years like he did? Did anyone would have come close to that? I actually had him more in the $15M range as a gamble. Absolutely outbid himself, but not into “top 3 worst contracts in the league” territory. If John Wall never plays a game, that contract is bad. If John Wall averages 14/9 for the rest of his career he wouldn’t even be close to the most overpaid PG in the league. But he is already paying $27M to a guy who doesn't play. That puts him over the luxury tax right now and could have a butterfly effect for future seasons due to how luxury works in here.
Word of the day = 'butterfly'
D720 is becoming so nerd these days that it should change its name to N720 and replace Allan Houston with Stuff The Magic Dragon as Deputy Commissioner only that he would be the Nerd Commissioner instead.
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Post by Steve Jobs on May 13, 2020 13:29:27 GMT -5
Absolutely outbid himself, but not into “top 3 worst contracts in the league” territory. If John Wall never plays a game, that contract is bad. If John Wall averages 14/9 for the rest of his career he wouldn’t even be close to the most overpaid PG in the league. But he is already paying $27M to a guy who doesn't play. That puts him over the luxury tax right now and could have a butterfly effect for future seasons due to how luxury works in here.
Word of the day = 'butterfly'
D720 is becoming so nerd these days that it should change its name to N720 and replace Allan Houston with Stuff The Magic Dragon as Deputy Commissioner only that he would be the Nerd Commissioner instead. I mean, we’re discussing rankings here, not “is the contract really bad.” Were it the latter discussion only, we’re in complete agreement. But there are plenty of avenues for Memphis to escape the luxury tax if they choose, and ultimately the way I’m choosing to rank them is on likelihood that the best possible version of that player that could realistically show up would live up to the deal over time. Wall and Griffin won’t... but they could.. Cousins / Batum / KCP couldn’t, I’m quite certain of it. Boogie’s deal was about a 30M overpay for a guy that had already sustained multiple major injuries that his returns had already proved would derail his career. Batum was just never worth the deal anyway and is currently averaging under 4 ppg - at this point his overpay is probably also in the 30M range. KCP’s peak wasn’t quite at his contract either, and even though he’s far from Batum/Cousins level bad, I don’t expect him to magically go from about as bad as he’s ever been to better than he’s ever been. Overpay probably closer to 15M. I think John Wall’s best case scenario was roughly a $12M overpay with a significant chance to range between $5M-20M depending on the severity of the decline. I just don’t count that as a top three worst contract in the league, personally... you’re allowed to feel differently though. If someone offered me all four of those players in deals that sent back the exact amount of salary so the hit was perfectly offset on my payroll for each, I would 100% take John Wall or Blake Griffin over any of the three I listed. Lastly... this league has always been N720... it’s a simulation basketball league for Christ’s sake. And Allan is already the Nerd Commissioner. Don’t you try to take it from him.
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Post by Stuff The Magic Dragon on May 13, 2020 14:28:06 GMT -5
Absolutely outbid himself, but not into “top 3 worst contracts in the league” territory. If John Wall never plays a game, that contract is bad. If John Wall averages 14/9 for the rest of his career he wouldn’t even be close to the most overpaid PG in the league. But he is already paying $27M to a guy who doesn't play. That puts him over the luxury tax right now and could have a butterfly effect for future seasons due to how luxury works in here.
Word of the day = 'butterfly'
D720 is becoming so nerd these days that it should change its name to N720 and replace Allan Houston with Stuff The Magic Dragon as Deputy Commissioner only that he would be the Nerd Commissioner instead. about time we elect a Clown for Deputy Commissioner
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Post by Stuff The Magic Dragon on May 13, 2020 14:29:02 GMT -5
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Post by Steve Jobs on May 13, 2020 14:31:39 GMT -5
I’d give him Dallas since he’s put so much time and energy into building that roster and bribing the commissioner to give them higher picks (speculation, but clearly true). Any other team just wouldn’t be fair.
Also, Denver would make sense. They were his first pet project. As long as he trades me Tatum I don’t really mind him taking over. 😂
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Post by Paul Pierce on May 13, 2020 14:41:22 GMT -5
I’d give him Dallas since he’s put so much time and energy into building that roster and bribing the commissioner to give them higher picks (speculation, but clearly true). Any other team just wouldn’t be fair. Also, Denver would make sense. They were his first pet project. As long as he trades me Tatum I don’t really mind him taking over. 😂 I tried so hard to get Taytum before Doc the librarian decided to join seal team 6
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Post by Steve Jobs on May 13, 2020 14:56:45 GMT -5
I’d give him Dallas since he’s put so much time and energy into building that roster and bribing the commissioner to give them higher picks (speculation, but clearly true). Any other team just wouldn’t be fair. Also, Denver would make sense. They were his first pet project. As long as he trades me Tatum I don’t really mind him taking over. 😂 I tried so hard to get Taytum before Doc the librarian decided to join seal team 6 Same.
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Post by Jackie Kong on May 13, 2020 15:03:34 GMT -5
I’d give him Dallas since he’s put so much time and energy into building that roster and bribing the commissioner to give them higher picks (speculation, but clearly true). Any other team just wouldn’t be fair. Those claims are false! And even if it is true there is no way to prove it.
But honestly, Yeezy picked Doncic way before I talked to him. And quite frankly picking Luka over Ayton made him so much cooler to the point that I wanted to talk to him.
About John Stockton, the move I most admire that he did with the Sonics was declining Lebron's option once to give him a long term contract. And I admire that because he risked losing the best player in the league over details. But then, cap jumped dramatically and those details allowed him to go for Durant.
Point is I helped both a bit but they did the moves that mattered the most. Plus, John Stockton won the title before I joined him. Well, actually I joined a bit before he won that 1st title which is why one of my old kong's accounts hold a title icon. LOL.
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