Min-Okc-lac

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Thunder Trade:

[63] Serge Ibaka - $20,000,000 $20,000,000 $20,000,000 $20,000,000
[58] Patrick Patterson - $4,000,000 $4,000,000 $4,000,000
[58] Norman Powell - $980,431 $1,251,245
[57] Jordan Bell - $1,779,200 $2,111,900 $2,467,600 $3,790,234 $5,351,810
[53] Alan Williams - $1,200,000 $1,200,000
[48] Frank Mason - $1,015,000 $1,315,000 $1,615,000 $1,915,000
[OKC] 2018 1st (#24)
[OKC] 2021 2nd

(Dead Money) ------ $2,030,000 -----
[50] Tyler Lydon - $1,015,000 $1,315,000
[?] Jaron Blossomgame - $1,015,000 $1,315,000
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[Outgoing Salary: $31,004,631] (x1.25 = 38,755,789)

Thunder Get:

[67] Mike Conley - $30,315,000 $32,430,000 $34,545,000 $36,660,000
[60] Ed Davis - $7,500,000 $7,500,000 $7,500,000
[?] Michael Porter Jr. -

[Incoming Salary: $37,815,000] (37,815,000 < 38,755,789)

Twolves Trade:

[60] Ed Davis - $7,500,000 $7,500,000 $7,500,000
[57] Davis Bertans - $990,000 $990,000
[60] DJ Augustin - $1,400,000 $1,300,000
[53] Ivan Rabb - $1,015,000 $1,315,000 $1,615,000 $1,915,000
[MIN] 2018 2nd (60) via Portland

(Dead Money) ------ $8,363,815 --------
Damyean Dotson - $1,015,000 $1,315,000
Luc Mbah a Moute - $1,200,000
Kay Felder - $969,190
Jahlil Okafor - $990,000 $990,000
Damien Inglis - $1,251,245
A.J. Hammons - $969,190
Joel Bolomboy - $969,190
James Jones - $1,000,000
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[Outgoing Salary: $19,267,815] (x1.25 = 24,084,769)

Twolves Get:

[63] Serge Ibaka - $20,000,000 $20,000,000 $20,000,000 $20,000,000
[58] Patrick Patterson - $4,000,000 $4,000,000 $4,000,000
[OKC] 2018 1st (24)

[Incoming Salary: $24,000,000] ($24,000,000 < $24,084,769)

Clippers Trade:

[67] Mike Conley - $30,315,000 $32,430,000 $34,545,000 $36,660,000
[?] Michael Porter Jr. -

[Outgoing Salary: 30,315,000]

Clippers Get:

[57] Jordan Bell - $1,779,200 $2,111,900 $2,467,600 $3,790,234 $5,351,810
[58] Norman Powell - $980,431 $1,251,245
[54] Alan Williams - $1,200,000 $1,200,000
[57] Davis Bertans - $990,000 $990,000
[60] DJ Augustin - $1,400,000 $1,300,000
[53] Ivan Rabb - $1,015,000 $1,315,000 $1,615,000 $1,915,000
[48] Frank Mason - $1,015,000 $1,315,000 $1,615,000 $1,915,000
[MIN] 2018 2nd (60) via Portland
[OKC] 2021 2nd
Right to swap 1sts with Twolves in 21

(Dead Money) ------ $10,393,815 --------
Tyler Lydon - $1,015,000 $1,315,000
Jaron Blossomgame - $1,015,000 $1,315,000
Damyean Dotson - $1,015,000 $1,315,000
Luc Mbah a Moute - $1,200,000
Kay Felder - $969,190
Jahlil Okafor - $990,000 $990,000
Damien Inglis - $1,251,245
A.J. Hammons - $969,190
Joel Bolomboy - $969,190
James Jones - $1,000,000
---------------------------------------------

[Incoming Salary: $18,773,446]

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I accept
I was looking to get back in the 1st round! And I think I bake has plenty left in the tank, and is great defensively
Good dealings

[Jackie Kong]

Jun 26, 2018 21:05:00 GMT -5 @xavier0717 said:

Clippers Get:
Right to swap 1sts with Twolves in 19

LAC do not own their 2019 1st so that is invalid.

[Deleted]

Fixed
Right to swap 1sts in 21 instead

[Steve Jobs]

I accept. Taking on Conley and Davis is a big commitment to some long term money, but I think Michael Porter Jr. provides a unique combination of length and scoring that my young core currently lacks, and almost every lower lottery pick that I engaged about possible deals wasn't willing to work with me without including any of Murray/Brown/Simmons/Turner, so I did what a I had to do here. Ultimately I like the upside of the deal, and I'm happy to sit on my hands and be mediocre until the end of Horford/Conley's contracts if that's what it comes down to. We'll do right by these veterans while we develop our youth and hope that championships are coming.

By the end of the 18-19 season, Yoshi won't have to have any contracts on the books that he's not happy with, meaning that he gets immediate cap relief now, full relief from Conley's contract (excluding whoever he chooses to keep) as early as next offseason, and a bunch of young prospects to choose from or use as trade assets as he starts to build around his young core. This deal offers significantly more for him than the previous deal, so we hope this gets it done.

[Ron Artest(1x Champ)]

Jun 26, 2018 21:07:12 GMT -5 @xavier0717 said:

I accept
I was looking to get back in the 1st round! And I think I bake has plenty left in the tank, and is great defensively
Good dealings

Ibaka hasn’t been the same defensively since he left okc, however I like this trade for all parties involved, specifically the Thunder, great young core, very complimentive(is this a word) of each other, and he has some veteran pieces, I could see this team making a run.. Conley, Ben and Jaylen are great defensively, and then you have an elite shock blocker in Myles Turner. Accept for me.

[Brian Scalabrine]

Serge Ibaka is ass now

I'll accept though. Minny I think is getting the worst deal, but I guess he really wants that pick and probably thinks Ibaka will help him out. I disagree with what he's doing, but he has enough young talent that it's not really putting him in a worse situation. The pieces he's moving also aren't that valuable.

OKC is killing it, they're gonna be next year's Suns. I think they're very smart to target a team that can send a young stud and a vet on a big contract--they're already in cap hell because of Horford, they should absolutely take the chance to double down on the red, while adding a guy who has a ton of potential. If MPJ is a red shirt rookie this is a very good deal for them--especially because while Bell is good, he's smart to sell high on him now.

LAC is actually getting cap relief, which is a relief. They get some pieces that aren't trash tier so maybe they can package them into better pieces. Either way this is a fair enough price to unload Conley's contract--I think it's possible that a better deal would come up eventually, but this is good enough.

[Gregg Popovich]

accept

[Justin Timberlake]

It's a reject from me. I really don't think 3 more yrs of Conley and Aminu is that bad for a tanking team that needs upside talent. They just got their first top 10 pick in this rebuild and they're already wanting to move him for cap relief (which isn't all that bad)? They have 20M in space when the books roll over that they could use to take on bad contracts and gain assets with. This trade is a bit short sighted imo. We're all about the franchise ruining stuff, and this Clippers team was bottom of the barrel before MPJ. With him going out and only a few mediocre pieces coming in, Clippers are looking a lot worse than if they would just ride out Conley and keep MPJ.

[Paul Pierce]

Reject, basically the same deal as the last one except you guys thought adding a 3rd member made it much better.

[Brian Scalabrine]

Jun 26, 2018 22:28:10 GMT -5 Justin Timberlake said:

It's a reject from me. I really don't think 3 more yrs of Conley and Aminu is that bad for a tanking team that needs upside talent. They just got their first top 10 pick in this rebuild and they're already wanting to move him for cap relief (which isn't all that bad)? They have 20M in space when the books roll over that they could use to take on bad contracts and gain assets with. This trade is a bit short sighted imo. We're all about the franchise ruining stuff, and this Clippers team was bottom of the barrel before MPJ. With him going out and only a few mediocre pieces coming in, Clippers are looking a lot worse than if they would just ride out Conley and keep MPJ.

Damn. I should have checked the roster, I didn't even realize they have 20 mil in space right now. Sorry y'all, that changes it for me. Gonna reject.

[Jackie Kong]

Gregg Popovich You picked Michael Porter Jr for Steve?

[John Stockton]

Reject. Same reasoning as previous.

[Steve Jobs]

Jun 26, 2018 22:41:36 GMT -5 Jackie Kong said:

Gregg Popovich You picked Michael Porter Jr for Steve?

Yeah. I think he was considering taking him anyway, but it was the player I was going after.

[Steve Jobs]

Jun 26, 2018 22:40:36 GMT -5 Brian Scalabrine said:

Jun 26, 2018 22:28:10 GMT -5 Justin Timberlake said:

It's a reject from me. I really don't think 3 more yrs of Conley and Aminu is that bad for a tanking team that needs upside talent. They just got their first top 10 pick in this rebuild and they're already wanting to move him for cap relief (which isn't all that bad)? They have 20M in space when the books roll over that they could use to take on bad contracts and gain assets with. This trade is a bit short sighted imo. We're all about the franchise ruining stuff, and this Clippers team was bottom of the barrel before MPJ. With him going out and only a few mediocre pieces coming in, Clippers are looking a lot worse than if they would just ride out Conley and keep MPJ.

Damn. I should have checked the roster, I didn't even realize they have 20 mil in space right now. Sorry y'all, that changes it for me. Gonna reject.

Let me just say, as someone who already has a player on that 30M+ max (and I'd argue Horford is a significant amount more useful than Conley), moving that contract is damn near impossible. Even teams with the cap space for it and a clear need at the position have hesitated to basically get Horford for free. Conley for the same price tag, with a relatively serious injury concern, isn't going anywhere, and getting out from under that contract before the end of it adds a LOT of freedom to Yoshi's future and his ability to put together a team he likes.

Everyone is rejecting this deal like Yoshi is making a short-sighted, franchise ruining deal, but if I were in his position I'd want to do the same thing too. Cap space is at a premium, and having the room to take on people's bad contracts for picks without sending back any value was/is one of the best tools in a rebuilding franchise's playbook... and it will be more valuable than it has ever been for the next few years in this league, since this is the first summer that the cap is projected to truly stay somewhat level since D720's inaugural season. This exact "dump veterans to get cap space, trade cap space for picks" gameplan was a massive part of the reason ATL, TOR, NOP, etc. were able to stockpile the picks that became their core (either through drafting or through trading), and that alone makes this deal way more valuable than anyone is giving it credit for.

Also, on the flip side, Yoshi is getting Bell and a bunch of other promising young players that will have value going forward instead of just giving away the pick for free, which has happened countless times in the history of this league. Is this the absolute best deal he could get? Hard to imagine he would have accepted it if he was finding other offers out there he liked more. In the time he was deliberating over this offer he mentioned something like 6 other offers that came after the first failed deal.

Considering the first deal was barely any cap relief and had about half the valuable assets while this one gets him completely out from under Conley's contract and considerably more value in assets, what is the actual reasoning behind pretending this deal is exactly the same as the last one? It's not even remotely close.

[Paul Pierce]

Changing my vote to accept even though I think this is a horrible move. I'm accepting because it is no longer pick 7, it's is Michael Porter who is a huge risk. Porter sucks :p

[Justin Timberlake]

My point is that he has sufficient space without moving Conley. As a tanking team he should be looking to keep the upside picks and still have space to gain assets for bad money. All of which he can accomplish without this trade. Sure Porter is a gamble, but a team with their best asset as Poeltl the Turtle needs to hit a homerun on a high upside player.

[Steve Jobs]

Jun 26, 2018 23:24:40 GMT -5 Justin Timberlake said:

My point is that he has sufficient space without moving Conley. As a tanking team he should be looking to keep the upside picks and still have space to gain assets for bad money. All of which he can accomplish without this trade. Sure Porter is a gamble, but a team with their best asset as Poeltl the Turtle needs to hit a homerun on a high upside player.

Right now he has more like $17M in cap space, just keeping that requires not re-signing Lou Williams (maybe one of his best assets) and gambling on whether McBuckets gets more on the open market than he's happy with paying him. Even if he lets both of them go, he's still only got enough space to make one or two of these "take bad contracts for picks" moves before he's bogged down and has to twiddle his thumbs or look around to find a trade like this anyway.

There's no such thing as "too much cap space," even for tanking teams. When the alternative is holding on to a guy making over $100M in the next three years until his contract expires (because, again, who do you actually imagine taking that pick without demanding a valuable asset and giving nothing in return?), how is this not a move that shows he's clearly aiming to compile assets to build for the future? Evidence of a good plan for the future, getting back decent value in the deal despite offloading a massive contract... what on earth is franchise ruining here?

[Brian Scalabrine]

As the Raptors. I wouldn't draft Porter Jr. But in LAC's situation, at 7, that was the perfect pick. Highest upside available at that spot.

[Theodore Duncan]

Reject. this is horrible for Clippers and the franchise is in bad spot anyways. Definitely can't afford to lose a trade this bad

[Theodore Duncan]

I can understand that Clippers want to get rid of Conley because he is too good for proper tanking. The contract aint pretty, but he is still a good player.

My tip would be to trade him to team that wants to get better and take players that are worse than Conley and have also bad contracts, and then you can also a get an asset (pick/young player) from that team to even the value. It makes absolutely no sense to get rid of the best long term potential (MPJ) your team has just to have some more cap space. It really isn't easy to get FAs to move from their current teams and the extra cap is most likely not gonna do much.

If you could also get rid of the Aminu contract at the same time as Conley's then it might be worth giving up MPJ.

[Steve Jobs]

Jun 27, 2018 2:25:57 GMT -5 Theodore Duncan said:

I can understand that Clippers want to get rid of Conley because he is too good for proper tanking. The contract aint pretty, but he is still a good player.

My tip would be to trade him to team that wants to get better and take players that are worse than Conley and have also bad contracts, and then you can also a get an asset (pick/young player) from that team to even the value. It makes absolutely no sense to get rid of the best long term potential (MPJ) your team has just to have some more cap space. It really isn't easy to get FAs to move from their current teams and the extra cap is most likely not gonna do much.

If you could also get rid of the Aminu contract at the same time as Conley's then it might be worth giving up MPJ.

Please take the time to actually read through my comments.

1) Your assumption about the ease of trading this type of contract is flawed. The idea that he hasn't done his due diligence seems sound if you look at Yoshi as the owner of a bad team, but that's not a fair assessment of his GM abilities. Furthermore, as the owner of one of the few other not-top-10 players on a 30M+ max, I can confirm that getting rid of one of these contracts is all but impossible. I've contacted every big-needy team in the league throughout the least year to inquire about ways to move his contract and gotten absolutely no bites. I virtually guarantee his experience with Conley is the same, and that he's pursued your exact scenario for moving him with no success.

2) The cap space isn't about pursuing free agents, nor is moving Conley about "tanking" despite not having a pick... both of those arguments make it look like LAC has no direction with this move... it's about getting out from under a very bad contract so his team has the freedom to pursue new directions, specifically the type of open cap space deals that take on bad contracts for picks and assets that most of the current rebuilding teams have used to their own massive success in this league's history.

If you can honestly acknowledge those two points and still feel that this trade has no positive value for the Clippers, I have absolutely no idea how we're both looking at the same deal. Conley will almost certainly never been moved as a positive asset, meaning Conley+a good 1st for nothing would typically be the absolute pinnacle of moving his contract... except this trade is NOT Conley+a good 1st for nothing, it's Conley+a good 1st for a considerable amount of value in cheap young players that give him flexibility with some nice young players to build around without forcing him to take on any salary at all. I genuinely ask you, 1) how is that franchise ruining, and 2) where do you expect him to get a better deal for Conley in this cap-space driven league climate?

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You guys are acting like he didnt do his dd on trade offers for this pick (he did) 3 days worth and was so exhausted he missed turning the pick in on time! He sifted through plenty of offers from alot of owners here for that pick! He made it very clear what he was looking 4 from a deal involving 7 and we gave him that! He got to pick these guys that he wanted from us! We worked on this deal forever and gave yoshi the space to find a better deal and none of you guys offered 1 he likex that shed salary and gave him young assests also dont forget about the right to swap 1sts with me in 21 (who knows what happens then) plus cap is valuable any year and the more for a rebuilding team the better! Conley is good but is coming off a severe injury and is only aging so id like to know the team thats willing to take that contract on without a great assest or sending salary back (previous trade serge going to clips) enter twolves to absorb that cap for a 1st and give more young assets! I rejected the previous trade bc i said if he was gaining 20 mil or more assets i could understand. In this trade hes gettin 20 mil im relief this year over 30 mil by next year and washing clean his books of all high contracts by the end of next year except his young guys that essentially gives him a chance to start fresh and build his team the way he wants! So going into free agency this year with 40+ mil is a bad thing? I say no, maybe their is a couple guys he wants, maybe he wants to pursue a max level guy this off season and 20 mil in cap aint enough, maybe he wants 50+ cap for next year while letting his young guys develop idk all i know is consider the time and effort we all especially yoshi put in on finding a deal that accomplished what HE wanted and what no one else apparently was willing to do bc he looked. Please think about these things before throwing rejects out their like a severely injured conley that is a ? Heading into next year on a shaddy team that is a hard move, while twolves taking serge (who apparently is ass now lol) on a semi big contract is toigh to move and he accomplished all this for only the assest of porter jr who is redshirting this year as well!

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Jun 26, 2018 22:28:10 GMT -5 Justin Timberlake said:

It's a reject from me. I really don't think 3 more yrs of Conley and Aminu is that bad for a tanking team that needs upside talent. They just got their first top 10 pick in this rebuild and they're already wanting to move him for cap relief (which isn't all that bad)? They have 20M in space when the books roll over that they could use to take on bad contracts and gain assets with. This trade is a bit short sighted imo. We're all about the franchise ruining stuff, and this Clippers team was bottom of the barrel before MPJ. With him going out and only a few mediocre pieces coming in, Clippers are looking a lot worse than if they would just ride out Conley and keep MPJ.

This too me is also incorrect. What if conley comes back as a shell of himself, and porter never gets right? Than whats he going to do tank for 3+ years cmon gents...

[Deleted]

Jun 27, 2018 2:25:57 GMT -5 Theodore Duncan said:

I can understand that Clippers want to get rid of Conley because he is too good for proper tanking. The contract aint pretty, but he is still a good player.

My tip would be to trade him to team that wants to get better and take players that are worse than Conley and have also bad contracts, and then you can also a get an asset (pick/young player) from that team to even the value. It makes absolutely no sense to get rid of the best long term potential (MPJ) your team has just to have some more cap space. It really isn't easy to get FAs to move from their current teams and the extra cap is most likely not gonna do much.

If you could also get rid of the Aminu contract at the same time as Conley's then it might be worth giving up MPJ.

This is a great point except no one is taking conley and aminu contracts off anyones books even for the 7th overall pick u can bank on that!

[Theodore Duncan]

Jun 27, 2018 4:35:35 GMT -5 Steve Jobs said:

Jun 27, 2018 2:25:57 GMT -5 Theodore Duncan said:

I can understand that Clippers want to get rid of Conley because he is too good for proper tanking. The contract aint pretty, but he is still a good player.

My tip would be to trade him to team that wants to get better and take players that are worse than Conley and have also bad contracts, and then you can also a get an asset (pick/young player) from that team to even the value. It makes absolutely no sense to get rid of the best long term potential (MPJ) your team has just to have some more cap space. It really isn't easy to get FAs to move from their current teams and the extra cap is most likely not gonna do much.

If you could also get rid of the Aminu contract at the same time as Conley's then it might be worth giving up MPJ.

Please take the time to actually read through my comments.

1) Your assumption about the ease of trading this type of contract is flawed. The idea that he hasn't done his due diligence seems sound if you look at Yoshi as the owner of a bad team, but that's not a fair assessment of his GM abilities. Furthermore, as the owner of one of the few other not-top-10 players on a 30M+ max, I can confirm that getting rid of one of these contracts is all but impossible. I've contacted every big-needy team in the league throughout the least year to inquire about ways to move his contract and gotten absolutely no bites. I virtually guarantee his experience with Conley is the same, and that he's pursued your exact scenario for moving him with no success.

2) The cap space isn't about free agents, nor is moving Conley about "tanking" despite not having a pick... it's about getting out from under a very bad contract so his team has the freedom to pursue new directions, especially the type of open cap space deals that take on bad contracts for picks and assets that most of the current rebuilding teams have used to their own massive success in this league's history.

If you can honestly acknowledge those two points and still feel that this trade has no positive value for the Clippers, I have absolutely no idea how we're both looking at the same deal. Conley will almost certainly never been moved as a positive asset, meaning Conley+a good 1st for nothing would be the absolute pinnacle of moving his contract... except this trade is NOT Conley+a good 1st for nothing, it's Conley+a good 1st for a considerable amount of value in cheap young players that give him some nice young players to build around without forcing him to take on any salary at all. I genuinely ask you, 1) how is that franchise ruining, and 2) where do you expect him to get a better deal for Conley in this cap-space driven league climate?

I really have no time or energy to argue about this with you. But seems like I'm not the only one thinking this is not a good trade.

I know it's not easy to move those contracts, that's why I tried to offer another viewpoint of maybe trying to take bad money back instead of paying your only good asset just to get rid of Conley. I'm not suggesting anything, maybe Yoshi has already tried it that way, but maybe not. I didn't see any harm saying what I would try to do.

Clippers are in much different position than you. I seriously doubt that you have offered deals for Horford, where would take back a bad salary in levels of Aminu/Bazemore/Noel/Tony Allen/etc.. + some possibly a decent but at least positive asset just to get rid of him. For a team ready to compete in 1-2 years like you it would not make any sense. But for someone looking like they need longer rebuild like Clippers, it could be an option to get even worse money back for few years, but at least get something slightly positive out of it.

[Deleted]

Thats how you view it ted, but not the way yoshi does! He doesnt want bad contracts back end of story. Believe me weve been mulling alot of things over the past 3 days, and hes also been looking over numerous offers with several gms and came back to this deal bc it accompishes what HE was looking for the most!!!

[Steve Jobs]

Jun 27, 2018 5:54:23 GMT -5 Theodore Duncan said:

Jun 27, 2018 4:35:35 GMT -5 Steve Jobs said:

Please take the time to actually read through my comments.

1) Your assumption about the ease of trading this type of contract is flawed. The idea that he hasn't done his due diligence seems sound if you look at Yoshi as the owner of a bad team, but that's not a fair assessment of his GM abilities. Furthermore, as the owner of one of the few other not-top-10 players on a 30M+ max, I can confirm that getting rid of one of these contracts is all but impossible. I've contacted every big-needy team in the league throughout the least year to inquire about ways to move his contract and gotten absolutely no bites. I virtually guarantee his experience with Conley is the same, and that he's pursued your exact scenario for moving him with no success.

2) The cap space isn't about free agents, nor is moving Conley about "tanking" despite not having a pick... it's about getting out from under a very bad contract so his team has the freedom to pursue new directions, especially the type of open cap space deals that take on bad contracts for picks and assets that most of the current rebuilding teams have used to their own massive success in this league's history.

If you can honestly acknowledge those two points and still feel that this trade has no positive value for the Clippers, I have absolutely no idea how we're both looking at the same deal. Conley will almost certainly never been moved as a positive asset, meaning Conley+a good 1st for nothing would be the absolute pinnacle of moving his contract... except this trade is NOT Conley+a good 1st for nothing, it's Conley+a good 1st for a considerable amount of value in cheap young players that give him some nice young players to build around without forcing him to take on any salary at all. I genuinely ask you, 1) how is that franchise ruining, and 2) where do you expect him to get a better deal for Conley in this cap-space driven league climate?

I really have no time or energy to argue about this with you. But seems like I'm not the only one thinking this is not a good trade.

I know it's not easy to move those contracts, that's why I tried to offer another viewpoint of maybe trying to take bad money back instead of paying your only good asset just to get rid of Conley. I'm not suggesting anything, maybe Yoshi has already tried it that way, but maybe not. I didn't see any harm saying what I would try to do.

Clippers are in much different position than you. I seriously doubt that you have offered deals for Horford, where would take back a bad salary in levels of Aminu/Bazemore/Noel/Tony Allen/etc.. + some possibly a decent but at least positive asset just to get rid of him. For a team ready to compete in 1-2 years like you it would not make any sense. But for someone looking like they need longer rebuild like Clippers, it could be an option to get even worse money back for few years, but at least get something slightly positive out of it.

You're not hearing me when I say, I have tried every possible type of trade to move Horford's contract for a year (Horford for nothing, Horford + asset for nothing, Horford for other bad contracts, Horford for SEVERAL far worse contracts, etc...). Literally zero GMs willing to engage in taking on a contract like that even if getting it meant dumping more salary than that. I guarantee Conley is more difficult to move as Horford is a much better player.

And again, there are extremely positive ways to utilize the cap space gained in this trade that have nothing to do with pursuing free agents or trying to get back to contending right away to the detriment of his team... Right before free agency, having a ton of cap space to take on bad contracts for picks and assets is the best possible time. And it's not like he's giving up a player everyone is scrambling to trade for while getting absolutely nothing in return, between Nick and I, Yoshi is getting a lot of return value on top of what will be 30M in cap space by next offseason.

So again, not asking you to agree with everything I'm saying, just asking you and everyone else that is rejecting: how on earth is this trade franchise ruining?

[Theodore Duncan]

Jun 27, 2018 6:15:42 GMT -5 Steve Jobs said:

So again, not asking you to agree with everything I'm saying, just asking you and everyone else that is rejecting: how on earth is this trade franchise ruining?

Clippers was already almost ruined by previous GMs before Yoshi took over and have still not come much further from that point. They have probably bottom 5 assets of all teams, and have a difficult and long road ahead to get good again. I don't think they afford to lose big trades like this.

Any one can vote how they want, as my personal guideline I'm gonna be very strict for teams with not much assets losing trades, and in the other hand much more lenient than many other GM's in trades where top teams with lot of assets are losing big. They can afford it, in my opinion Clippers can't.

[Steve Jobs]

Jun 27, 2018 7:11:52 GMT -5 Theodore Duncan said:

Jun 27, 2018 6:15:42 GMT -5 Steve Jobs said:

So again, not asking you to agree with everything I'm saying, just asking you and everyone else that is rejecting: how on earth is this trade franchise ruining?

Clippers was already almost ruined by previous GMs before Yoshi took over and have still not come much further from that point. They have probably bottom 5 assets of all teams, and have a difficult and long road ahead to get good again. I don't think they afford to lose big trades like this.

Any one can vote how they want, as my personal guideline I'm gonna be very strict for teams with not much assets losing trades, and in the other hand much more lenient than many other GM's in trades where top teams with lot of assets are losing big. They can afford it, in my opinion Clippers can't.

The Clippers can afford to get a worse deal for Conley later on while sitting on his contract and negating his ability to gain value from the cap space? How? This deal isn't a loss for the Clippers unless you completely fail to acknowledge the reality of the situation: healthy Conley for 30M+ for another three years is not a positive asset for his team, injured Conley even less so. There are a lot of ways to lose a trade, but getting any assets back at all to dump a huge contract that isn't adding value to your franchise isn't one of them.