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Post by Doc Rivers on Jul 6, 2019 14:23:07 GMT -5
The Denver Nuggets trade: Lebron James $38,328,211 - $41,002,273 - $43,676,334 - $46,350,395 Pick 47 in the 2019 D720 Draft (pending completion of LAC-DEN trade) The Miami Heat trade: DeAndre Ayton $7,069,300 - $7,405,900 - $9,346,246 - $12,196,851 John Henson $15,000,000 - $15,000,000 Bryn Forbes $7,000,000 Marquese Chriss $3,398,530 - $4,581,218 Frank Ntilikina $3,357,000 - $4,454,739 - $6,098,538 Justin Jackson (DAL) $3,029,800 - $4,329,584 - $5,987,815 2020 Miami 1st top 3 protected (2021 unprotected if not 2020 pick not conveyed) Denver Nuggets outgoing salary: $38,328,311 Miami Heat outgoing salary: $38,854,630 I accept. I'm looking to SLIGHTLY retool my roster while staying competitive, making Kevin Durant my official go to guy but putting a good mix of veterans and young talent around him (he'll be taking all the shots he wants to if he stays) Lebron is aging, and even though he's still a top 5 player in the NBA I really like the upside of Ayton especially when I need a big, the other assets are meh but could pan out. Miami wants to contend now and Lebron as their leader is a match made in heaven (and no, I'm not trading him because he tried taking my job). boogie verdict please. |
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Post by boogie on Jul 6, 2019 14:26:04 GMT -5
I will accept. I will for sure miss ayton
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Post by Ron Artest(1x Champ) on Jul 6, 2019 15:04:55 GMT -5
With all do respect, try again...
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Paul Pierce
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Post by Paul Pierce on Jul 6, 2019 15:26:32 GMT -5
I’d like to wait for other tc members first. I don’t have a solid opinion formed just yet
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Yeezy
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Post by Yeezy on Jul 6, 2019 16:23:52 GMT -5
With all do respect, try again... *due |
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Scott Pilgrim
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Post by Scott Pilgrim on Jul 6, 2019 18:21:15 GMT -5
So Denver going to lose both LeBron and Durant this off-season...
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Post by Scott Pilgrim on Jul 6, 2019 18:30:21 GMT -5
To be fair, I think the trade itself is balanced.
What matters though is the franchise implications, of losing two top 5 players in just a short amount of time.
(You say you're making Kevin Durant the official go to guy, what's stopping him from declining his PO and going to a more competitive, non-rebuilding team on a max contract?)
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Post by Doc Rivers on Jul 6, 2019 18:35:46 GMT -5
To be fair, I think the trade itself is balanced. What matters though is the franchise implications, of losing two top 5 players in just a short amount of time. (You say you're making Kevin Durant the official go to guy, what's stopping him from declining his PO and going to a more competitive, non-rebuilding team on a max contract?) I don't see how my team isn't still competitive by the time KD returns from his injury, but if he does potentially leave do I want to be stuck with Lebron anyways? |
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jul 6, 2019 19:37:10 GMT -5
To be fair, I think the trade itself is balanced. What matters though is the franchise implications, of losing two top 5 players in just a short amount of time. (You say you're making Kevin Durant the official go to guy, what's stopping him from declining his PO and going to a more competitive, non-rebuilding team on a max contract?) I don't see how my team isn't still competitive by the time KD returns from his injury, but if he does potentially leave do I want to be stuck with Lebron anyways? Yes |
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Post by Doc Rivers on Jul 6, 2019 19:44:19 GMT -5
love the input guys but could we get some official votes please :P
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Paul Pierce
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Post by Paul Pierce on Jul 6, 2019 20:25:07 GMT -5
I’m gonna accept, with Kds Achilles injury and lebrons age idk if Denver will ever win it all. Might as well get a draft pick and a really good prospect in Ayton
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Logan Hough
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Post by Logan Hough on Jul 7, 2019 1:02:18 GMT -5
You don't want LeBron? wut
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Post by Stuff The Magic Dragon on Jul 7, 2019 1:41:21 GMT -5
if this was me, I'd take more for Bron
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jul 7, 2019 2:04:20 GMT -5
In terms of valuable assets, Denver is getting... Ayton and a 21 1st. Sure, the other stuff in this trade exists too--but all those guys are margin pieces. Why isn't DEN pushing to get Culver, too? Why aren't they getting rid of Dieng in this deal?
Too many things about this deal just scream that DEN hasn't done due dilligence. If you think that KD isn't 100% leaving after this, you're fooling yourself. Also, Miami doesn't even make sense as a trade partner--they have Ayton, but what else? And of course Miami isn't going to offer what bron is worth because they wpuld have nearly zero assets left, and be stuck with Lebron on an island.
Off the top of my head:
See if Middleton or Oladipo + one of ATL's young core is available
Check with OKC--kick the tires on Love + Simmons, Brown, MPJ, Turner
See if Toronto will give up multiple pieces of their core + dead money
Try to steal Bagley from UTA
See if PHX is willing to do Nurk, MKG, Murray, + another young piece
Try to sell PHI on a core of Harden/Lillard/LeBron and get a Fox + Howard + other assets package
See if you can get dead money + Ja Morant + Winslow/RHJ
See if Portland wants a DeRozan/LeBron swap to double down on their title aspirations...
... Someone is going to want Lebron, and they're gonna offer more than this. Even if you are dead set on Ayton and he's your guy (which is fine I guess) either get more or send Frank/Jackson/whoever somewhere else in a three team deal and get back another more certain asset.
Shocking I know, but I'm gonna reject.
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Post by Shaq O'Neal on Jul 7, 2019 2:53:22 GMT -5
If this gets rejected i am calling that Brian is gonna trade for Bron lol
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jul 7, 2019 2:59:11 GMT -5
If this gets rejected i am calling that Brian is gonna trade for Bron lol Nah I doubt that |
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Post by Scott Pilgrim on Jul 7, 2019 4:02:33 GMT -5
In terms of valuable assets, Denver is getting... Ayton and a 21 1st. Sure, the other stuff in this trade exists too--but all those guys are margin pieces. Why isn't DEN pushing to get Culver, too? Why aren't they getting rid of Dieng in this deal? Too many things about this deal just scream that DEN hasn't done due dilligence. If you think that KD isn't 100% leaving after this, you're fooling yourself. Also, Miami doesn't even make sense as a trade partner--they have Ayton, but what else? And of course Miami isn't going to offer what bron is worth because they wpuld have nearly zero assets left, and be stuck with Lebron on an island. Off the top of my head: See if Middleton or Oladipo + one of ATL's young core is available Check with OKC--kick the tires on Love + Simmons, Brown, MPJ, Turner See if Toronto will give up multiple pieces of their core + dead money Try to steal Bagley from UTA See if PHX is willing to do Nurk, MKG, Murray, + another young piece Try to sell PHI on a core of Harden/Lillard/LeBron and get a Fox + Howard + other assets package See if you can get dead money + Ja Morant + Winslow/RHJ See if Portland wants a DeRozan/LeBron swap to double down on their title aspirations... ... Someone is going to want Lebron, and they're gonna offer more than this. Even if you are dead set on Ayton and he's your guy (which is fine I guess) either get more or send Frank/Jackson/whoever somewhere else in a three team deal and get back another more certain asset. Shocking I know, but I'm gonna reject. I doubt any of those teams want to give up that exorbitant amount of assets for Bron's contract, it's like the situation in OKC with Westbrook. He was a MVP only a few years ago but due to his supermax, he's not going to be traded for MVP value. |
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Post by Ron Artest(1x Champ) on Jul 7, 2019 6:05:54 GMT -5
It’s like if you trade Bron, KD has no incentive to stay, even through his injury, somebody is gonna pay him max dollars, but at the same time, that contract is just nasty... Someone pointed it out already, but it’s another Russ situation, at the same time, Bron is still a top 5 player, and Ayton + a draft pick that likely won’t be a lottery pick isn’t enough.
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White Mamba
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Post by White Mamba on Jul 7, 2019 8:32:11 GMT -5
Great trade for Denver value wise. No way 35 year old Bron is worth Ayton on his rookie deal. And I don't even like Ayton that much
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Post by Doc Rivers on Jul 7, 2019 10:52:07 GMT -5
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Shaq O'Neal
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Post by Shaq O'Neal on Jul 7, 2019 11:18:03 GMT -5
Bron is gonna be paid over 45 mil at age 38 so that contract isnt that good
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billy
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Post by billy on Jul 7, 2019 11:36:43 GMT -5
This trade is on hold pending an investigation.
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Shaq O'Neal
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Post by Shaq O'Neal on Jul 7, 2019 12:14:18 GMT -5
This trade is on hold pending an investigation. Lol what investigation |
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Post by boogie on Jul 7, 2019 12:38:09 GMT -5
Lol
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billy
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Post by billy on Jul 7, 2019 12:51:02 GMT -5
Trade is back on. I'm now at least 80% sure this guy isn't Doc.
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Paul Pierce
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Post by Paul Pierce on Jul 7, 2019 13:09:04 GMT -5
Trade is back on. I'm now at least 80% sure this guy isn't Doc. When you said pending investigation I knew 100% why lol. |
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Post by boogie on Jul 7, 2019 13:12:51 GMT -5
Lebron will be wearing the number 6 back in Miami
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jul 7, 2019 14:44:39 GMT -5
I think the best case scenario here is for this to get rejected, sell KD on signing a 2+1 Max with a NTC to run it back one last time with LeBron in 2020-2021 when he’s healthy, then trade both of them at midseason that year if things don’t seem to be panning out (the NTC would be so KD can make sure he only goes somewhere he wants to go, since as of this trade being made public the PAs won’t be able to pretend we don’t know Doc has intentions to trade LeBron and that would basically eliminate the idea of KD re-signing under any other scenario).
Either way, I think this trade is... not ideal, but certainly not the absolute worst value I’ve ever seen Doc accept for a superstar. I can’t say I’m surprised he went through with a LeBron trade, I’m just astounded he was short-sighted enough to not realize this would 100% impact re-signing KD... I’ll still reject because accepting this is functionally the equivalent of accepting LeBron+KD for Ayton and a 1st and maybe the situation can be salvaged if this doesn’t go through? Meh... oh well.
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Post by Ron Artest(1x Champ) on Jul 7, 2019 14:55:31 GMT -5
I never rejected though, just thought you could get more |
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Logan Hough
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Post by Logan Hough on Jul 7, 2019 15:35:21 GMT -5
I'll Reject, I think this is unrealistic for what LeBron is worth. Maybe he won't be worth the $$ in the later years of the contract, but no one really knows that. LeBron may still be killing it then.
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