Pete Maravich
Washington Wizards
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Post by Pete Maravich on Jul 17, 2019 5:29:02 GMT -5
Cleveland sends: Jrue Holiday $24,928,767 $25,200,000 $25,471,233 $25,742,466Cleveland receives:
Tomas Satoransky $3,106,500 $3,883,125
'23 MIA 1st Rade Zagorac (dead money) $969,190 Incoming salary is less than outgoing Miami sends: Bryn Forbes $7,000,000 $7,000,000 Thomas Robinson $5,000,000 $5,000,000 $5,000,000 Okaro White (dead money) $990,000 '23 MIA 1st Miami receives: Otto Porter $26,606,250 $28,601,719 $30,746,848 Total salary sent - $12,990,000 Total salary received - $26,606,250 Cap after trade - $101,268,771 Washington sends: Otto Porter $26,606,250 $28,601,719 $30,746,848 Tomas Satoransky $3,106,500 $3,883,125Rade Zagorac (dead money) $969,190Washington receives: Jrue Holiday $24,928,767 $25,200,000 $25,471,233 $25,742,466Bryn Forbes $7,000,000 $7,000,000 Thomas Robinson $5,000,000 $5,000,000 $5,000,000 Okaro White (dead money) $990,000 Total salary sent - $30,681,940 (125% = $38,352,425) Total salary received - $37,918,767 boogie Nino Brown
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Nino Brown
Cleveland Cavaliers
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Post by Nino Brown on Jul 17, 2019 5:44:30 GMT -5
Accept.
I don’t want to go into a soliloquy, but I’ll break my thinking of this down. For starters, KD opted out, it’d be unwise to ignore the opportunity to pair him with Giannis, and at least one of Klay/Vucevic. Even if I fail to sign KD this offseason, there are other free agents I think I could sign that’d bring more collective value to my team compared to Jrue on that contract. Secondly financial literacy is important. I sacrificed last year to maximize our chance at a ring, and we failed quite miserably in the end 🤣. Ultimately I want to avoid future tax penalties. Plus I’m getting back one of the best backup point guards in the league, as well as a 1st round draft pick that’ll come in handy later.
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White Mamba
Milwaukee Bucks
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Post by White Mamba on Jul 17, 2019 8:19:14 GMT -5
Wow this is an awful trade for Cleveland. Even if he wants to dump Jrue he could easily get more value than this.
Makes absolutely no sense
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Nino Brown
Cleveland Cavaliers
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Post by Nino Brown on Jul 17, 2019 8:32:09 GMT -5
Wow this is an awful trade for Cleveland. Even if he wants to dump Jrue he could easily get more value than this. Makes absolutely no sense you guys always assume one doesn’t do their diligence in regards to a trade(s). For starters I’ve practically been trying to move Jrue since I took over this Cavs bunch, and the market for him, due to his contract just isn’t that expansive. I’ve talked with multiple teams/and we’ve gone through multiple scenarios, but in the end this trade made sense for me. We got a 1st round draft pick for a Miami team that’s more or less bottom of the pack, and we gain a lot of cap space to get under the tax, as well as potentially sign better players. This is no different than NOP giving Atlanta Marc Gasol for free(literally) for example, and you accepted that trade... come on homie 😅
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Paul Pierce
Chicago Bulls
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Post by Paul Pierce on Jul 17, 2019 8:49:22 GMT -5
Waiting for Miami to accept but I already know my verdict
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Shaq O'Neal
LA Clippers
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Post by Shaq O'Neal on Jul 17, 2019 11:36:41 GMT -5
Amazing deal for Washington.I dont know why Miami is giving up a future unprotected 1st and taking on that Otto Porter contract.Cleveland could make the most out of the deal if they get a marquee FA but i do think Kobe could get more for Jrue
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Post by Ron Artest(1x Champ) on Jul 17, 2019 13:01:45 GMT -5
Eh, I don’t see a problem in the grand scheme of things. This league has a track record of approving deals like this, plus there seems to be a clear goal in mind. Not “franchise ruining” at all, as some like to put it here.
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Paul Pierce
Chicago Bulls
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Post by Paul Pierce on Jul 17, 2019 13:25:40 GMT -5
Eh, I don’t see a problem in the grand scheme of things. This league has a track record of approving deals like this, plus there seems to be a clear goal in mind. Not “franchise ruining” at all, as some like to put it here. The heat deal is franchise ruining lol. Taking on a bad contract while giving up an unprotected first 4 years down the road. This trade is horrific for Miami. It’s fine for the other two tho
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Post by Ron Artest(1x Champ) on Jul 17, 2019 14:02:37 GMT -5
Eh, I don’t see a problem in the grand scheme of things. This league has a track record of approving deals like this, plus there seems to be a clear goal in mind. Not “franchise ruining” at all, as some like to put it here. The heat deal is franchise ruining lol. Taking on a bad contract while giving up an unprotected first 4 years down the road. This trade is horrific for Miami. It’s fine for the other two tho I’d agree if it were a long term contract, but Porter is on contract for TWO years, not four or five. Even with trading the pick,Miami still has its original draft picks for the next few years. I’ve seen worse trades than this pass. If Miami’s goal is to make the playoffs, which should be fairly attainable in a weakened EC, acquiring Otto Porter is a start. Chances are they won’t be a top free agent destination. To take it a step further, IRL Otto Porter’s contract is about identical to D720 Porter. He’s probably overpaid, but with the state of cap space rising every year, even role players are earning more than ever now.
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Post by boogie on Jul 17, 2019 16:08:49 GMT -5
I would like to revise the trade
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Scott Pilgrim
Philadelphia 76ers
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Post by Scott Pilgrim on Jul 17, 2019 17:30:50 GMT -5
Holy shit what a trade.
Beginning thoughts, Washington are winning this trade so heavily, getting rid of Porter's horrible max contract is a blessing, and getting Jrue Holiday out of it without giving up any picks?!? Crazy! People are underrating Jrue, he's gonna be the no.1 option despite Zion being there, and he's going to have a career season with the team playing around him.
Cleveland get ehh value, but they're primarily doing this trade for a salary dump not to get equal value. It's going to be hard to open up a max contract slot, they're going to let go one of Vucevic/Thompson and try and find buyers for Gay/Anderson/Hood/Galloway's contracts to get that cap space. IMO it's looking like they're going to re-sign Klay and try and sign Durant, having a rehab year next season. A core of Giannis/Klay/Durant in the 2021 season will be sooooo damn deadly, this move would also mean getting out of the cursed luxury tax.
Miami are probably the losers in the trade, going for Otto instead of Holiday is a question mark decision, alongside giving up a pick. But I guess they're trying to pick up a piece that'll help them contend for a playoff spot that is a bit more on the younger side (3 years younger) and could still develop past a 3nD guy.
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Post by Stuff The Magic Dragon on Jul 17, 2019 17:55:09 GMT -5
I would like to revise the trade this is why we should refrain from commenting on a trade before all parties accept. Additionally, can we open up the Heat for a better GM? lol
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Nino Brown
Cleveland Cavaliers
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Post by Nino Brown on Jul 17, 2019 18:44:47 GMT -5
I would like to revise the trade this is why we should refrain from commenting on a trade before all parties accept. Additionally, can we open up the Heat for a better GM? lol 🥶
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Shaq O'Neal
LA Clippers
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Post by Shaq O'Neal on Jul 17, 2019 20:10:06 GMT -5
Sorry guys my bad didnt notice that Miami hadnt accepted
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Post by Stuff The Magic Dragon on Jul 17, 2019 22:04:16 GMT -5
this is why we should refrain from commenting on a trade before all parties accept. Additionally, can we open up the Heat for a better GM? lol 🥶 not an iPhone user
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Ed Cooley
New Orleans Pelicans
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Post by Ed Cooley on Jul 18, 2019 14:05:02 GMT -5
I don’t see how it’s possible for Cleveland to sign Durant unless I’m missing something. With the contracts of Gay, Hood and Anderson + tax I think it’s impossible. If that’s the reasoning behind giving up Jrue’s contract then Idk but I will back Kobe up and say he has been trying to move Jrue since day 1.
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Pete Maravich
Washington Wizards
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Post by Pete Maravich on Jul 18, 2019 14:09:50 GMT -5
This is dead
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Nino Brown
Cleveland Cavaliers
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Post by Nino Brown on Jul 18, 2019 14:13:38 GMT -5
I don’t see how it’s possible for Cleveland to sign Durant unless I’m missing something. With the contracts of Gay, Hood and Anderson + tax I think it’s impossible. If that’s the reasoning behind giving up Jrue’s contract then Idk but I will back Kobe up and say he has been trying to move Jrue since day 1. there was definitely itinerary providing this deal passed
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Scott Pilgrim
Philadelphia 76ers
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Post by Scott Pilgrim on Jul 18, 2019 21:37:05 GMT -5
I don’t see how it’s possible for Cleveland to sign Durant unless I’m missing something. With the contracts of Gay, Hood and Anderson + tax I think it’s impossible. If that’s the reasoning behind giving up Jrue’s contract then Idk but I will back Kobe up and say he has been trying to move Jrue since day 1. Nino Brown (Giannis) 29,700,000 + (Klay) 34,155,000 + (Tax) 10,186,900 = 74,041,900 74,041,900 + (Durant) 38,199,000 = 112,240,900 The cap for the 2019-20 season is 109,140,000, so Klay or Durant would have to take a paycut for them to create a big 3 with Giannis on Cleveland. A difference of 3,100,900 between projected salary and the cap, a paycut could be realistic considering both have potential season long injuries that have impacted their value somewhat. To clear the rest of their team's roster salaries, (Gay, Anderson, Connaughton, Johnson, Hood, Galloway) I think the intake they could get from a Jrue Holiday trade would be enough + their 2020 CLE 1st + other 1st pick swaps in 2021 and 2023 to be able to dump those contracts. If Kobe opens up that cap space in other deals, I don't see why Durant/Klay wouldn't sign for a smidge less of money in order to create a super team.
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Yeezy
Dallas Mavericks
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Post by Yeezy on Jul 18, 2019 22:33:14 GMT -5
It appears NBA players are moving away from the superteam to the 2-star team, player agents in 720 will probably be taking this into account nah mean?
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Scott Pilgrim
Philadelphia 76ers
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Post by Scott Pilgrim on Jul 19, 2019 6:08:34 GMT -5
I don’t see how it’s possible for Cleveland to sign Durant unless I’m missing something. With the contracts of Gay, Hood and Anderson + tax I think it’s impossible. If that’s the reasoning behind giving up Jrue’s contract then Idk but I will back Kobe up and say he has been trying to move Jrue since day 1. Nino Brown (Giannis) 29,700,000 + (Klay) 34,155,000 + (Tax) 10,186,900 = 74,041,900 74,041,900 + (Durant) 38,199,000 = 112,240,900 The cap for the 2019-20 season is 109,140,000, so Klay or Durant would have to take a paycut for them to create a big 3 with Giannis on Cleveland. A difference of 3,100,900 between projected salary and the cap, a paycut could be realistic considering both have potential season long injuries that have impacted their value somewhat. To clear the rest of their team's roster salaries, (Gay, Anderson, Connaughton, Johnson, Hood, Galloway) I think the intake they could get from a Jrue Holiday trade would be enough + their 2020 CLE 1st + other 1st pick swaps in 2021 and 2023 to be able to dump those contracts. If Kobe opens up that cap space in other deals, I don't see why Durant/Klay wouldn't sign for a smidge less of money in order to create a super team. They could also just sign Vucevic instead of Klay, on a 26m or 28m contract to ensure no paycuts occur for Durant. Rather than a superteazm, you create a nice superstar duo with Durant and Giannis. With a nice borderline all-star center in Vucevic.
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Nino Brown
Cleveland Cavaliers
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Post by Nino Brown on Jul 19, 2019 6:32:57 GMT -5
It appears NBA players are moving away from the superteam to the 2-star team, player agents in 720 will probably be taking this into account nah mean? Contextually, I’m not sure if this is true. Kawhi tried to recruit KD and Kyrie, and eventually Jimmy to sign with the Clippers, but I’m assuming they already had committed to their original destination. Ultimately he settled for PG(wouldn’t commit to the Clippers without another star). Russ was traded to Houston, just like AD was traded to the Lakers. A lot of these duos were already a thing. Plus I have a feeling if Lebron was literally any other superstar on the Lakers, or not on the Lakers at all, Kawhi would be in purple and gold.
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