Ed Cooley
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Dec 10, 2020 8:58:23 GMT -5
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Post by Ed Cooley on Dec 10, 2020 8:58:23 GMT -5
The precedent for rejecting here is the same one that we use (very rarely I’ll add) on trades made by Red, KG, and Doc. You told us one thing when you traded Giannis and now you’re doing something else. That would be fine if it didn’t require giving up 2 valuable assets for absolutely nothing. You posted on the Shoutbox that you’re looking for someone to take on this contract and had a trade posted that same day. Did you even wait for other offers? Also why phrase it: “looking for someone to take on Adams contract”? That’s an awful sell... why not put him on the block and wait a few days for offers? He’s 27 years old and has almost averaged a double double for the past 3.5 seasons. He’s also done well in this league. If it was a longer term contract, it would make sense but there should be teams looking for an extra piece this season who could take him on.
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Dec 10, 2020 11:08:35 GMT -5
Post by Logan Hough on Dec 10, 2020 11:08:35 GMT -5
Ok since there is a deadline coming up, I'll accept this. I know that ties it up but maybe stuff will vote now.
I do want to repeat though, this is just about a close you can get to a trade worth rejecting, not a good one at all.
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Ed Cooley
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Post by Ed Cooley on Dec 10, 2020 11:23:49 GMT -5
Just to be clear: I think Nino is actually a really good GM in this league, as is Steve so these threads are actually good to have and their concerns are completely valid; not just some KG blowup. But in this case I think the approach to trading Adams was overly reactionary to the PO decisions and there is still time to find a suitor before tier 1 FA. If he can’t and thinks he has a true shot at someone like PG, then this trade makes more sense
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Nino Brown
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Dec 10, 2020 11:24:35 GMT -5
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Post by Nino Brown on Dec 10, 2020 11:24:35 GMT -5
The precedent for rejecting here is the same one that we use (very rarely I’ll add) on trades made by Red, KG, and Doc. You told us one thing when you traded Giannis and now you’re doing something else. That would be fine if it didn’t require giving up 2 valuable assets for absolutely nothing. You posted on the Shoutbox that you’re looking for someone to take on this contract and had a trade posted that same day. Did you even wait for other offers? Also why phrase it: “looking for someone to take on Adams contract”? That’s an awful sell... why not put him on the block and wait a few days for offers? He’s 27 years old and has almost averaged a double double for the past 3.5 seasons. He’s also done well in this league. If it was a longer term contract, it would make sense but there should be teams looking for an extra piece this season who could take him on. This wasn’t the first time I shopped Adams, not publicly, or even in private. Also I said I was rebuilding when I traded Giannis. Their aren’t a set list of rules to follow when you rebuild, plus it’s not too enticing to add a fringe double double guy when you can find similar production from the center position for much cheaper.
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Ed Cooley
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Dec 10, 2020 11:26:31 GMT -5
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Post by Ed Cooley on Dec 10, 2020 11:26:31 GMT -5
The precedent for rejecting here is the same one that we use (very rarely I’ll add) on trades made by Red, KG, and Doc. You told us one thing when you traded Giannis and now you’re doing something else. That would be fine if it didn’t require giving up 2 valuable assets for absolutely nothing. You posted on the Shoutbox that you’re looking for someone to take on this contract and had a trade posted that same day. Did you even wait for other offers? Also why phrase it: “looking for someone to take on Adams contract”? That’s an awful sell... why not put him on the block and wait a few days for offers? He’s 27 years old and has almost averaged a double double for the past 3.5 seasons. He’s also done well in this league. If it was a longer term contract, it would make sense but there should be teams looking for an extra piece this season who could take him on. This wasn’t the first time I shopped Adams, not publicly, or even in private. Also I said I was rebuilding when I traded Giannis. Their aren’t a set list of rules to follow when you rebuild, plus it’s not too enticing to add a fringe double double guy when you can find similar production from the center position for much cheaper. Yeah but bro you also just traded Allen, who is a cheap guy with similar production for way cheaper
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Shaq O'Neal
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Dec 10, 2020 11:26:54 GMT -5
Post by Shaq O'Neal on Dec 10, 2020 11:26:54 GMT -5
Ed Cooley As far as I know Nino Brown has been trying to move Adams since the late first round of the draft if not before.Since then,we have been discussing an Adams trade so it is not like he jumped at the first offer.
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Post by Ben Wallace on Dec 10, 2020 11:28:36 GMT -5
To be fair to Nino there's not a ton of teams that can take Adam's contract without blowing past he luxury cap
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Scott Pilgrim
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Dec 10, 2020 12:30:39 GMT -5
Post by Scott Pilgrim on Dec 10, 2020 12:30:39 GMT -5
Just let the man do what he wants, TC you know what to do.
Trade isn't franchise ruining, even if it may seem like a bad trade to some.
TC's job isn't supposed to be a superhero vigilante saving everyone from themselves, it's ability to veto trades are for obviously high risk-low reward trades that have drastic consequences for the team and it's future. If Nino wants to do this, put your trust in him. I don't see this as a decline, but i'm not on the TC so my vote doesn't count for anything. :)
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Nino Brown
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Dec 10, 2020 12:49:35 GMT -5
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Post by Nino Brown on Dec 10, 2020 12:49:35 GMT -5
This wasn’t the first time I shopped Adams, not publicly, or even in private. Also I said I was rebuilding when I traded Giannis. Their aren’t a set list of rules to follow when you rebuild, plus it’s not too enticing to add a fringe double double guy when you can find similar production from the center position for much cheaper. Yeah but bro you also just traded Allen, who is a cheap guy with similar production for way cheaper I traded Allen because this is the last year he’s going to be cheap, and got a pretty good prospect and a chance to get a higher First Round draft pick in a couple years.
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Ed Cooley
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Dec 10, 2020 13:04:36 GMT -5
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Post by Ed Cooley on Dec 10, 2020 13:04:36 GMT -5
Alright I’ll accept, Nino clearly wants this trade and I don’t think he’ll be leaving the team so it’s not going to affect a new GM coming in. To Scott’s point, I dont think Billy or I were trying to be superhero vigilantes at all... from our perspective this trade makes no sense and we’ve hardly vetoed any trades since this TC was made. Not only do we veto on franchise ruining trades, but the lack of clear direction for a franchise because GMs don’t always stay in this league forever. It’s proven clear that new GMs picking up discombobulated franchises don’t tend to last very long.
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Shaq O'Neal
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Dec 10, 2020 13:26:57 GMT -5
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Post by Shaq O'Neal on Dec 10, 2020 13:26:57 GMT -5
3 accepts.Trade passed 3-1
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Dec 12, 2020 6:54:11 GMT -5
Post by Shaq O'Neal on Dec 12, 2020 6:54:11 GMT -5
Processed
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