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Post by Nino Brown on Dec 8, 2020 14:20:37 GMT -5
Cleveland Cavaliers Trade: Steven Adams $28,462,500 $30,318,750 ATL 2022 1st Outgoing salary=$28,462,500
Los Angeles Clippers Trade:
Pau Gasol dead money $11,760,000 Isaiah Thomas dead money $9,675,000 Tyson Chandler $1,091,400 $2,182,800 DeMarre Carroll $1,500,000 $1,500,000
Outgoing salary=$24,026,400(125% of 24,026,400=30,033,000)
Trade uses 2019/2020 salaries.
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Nino Brown
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Yeezy
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Post by Yeezy on Dec 8, 2020 15:41:16 GMT -5
What do you even need the cap space for CLE? This is a one year salary dump at the cost of a first rounder in the possible "double draft". I thought expirings had value, why are you attaching a pick to something that has value? I could be wrong tho.
Why are you giving LAC more picks, he literally has all most of your picks lol, can you guys all stop giving LAC your picks?
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Post by Ed Cooley on Dec 8, 2020 16:46:02 GMT -5
What do you even need the cap space for CLE? This is a one year salary dump at the cost of a first rounder in the possible "double draft". I thought expirings had value, why are you attaching a pick to something that has value? I could be wrong tho. Why are you giving LAC more picks, he literally has all most of your picks lol, can you guys all stop giving LAC your picks? But also reject. Is there no suitor for Adams? You just got him for Bledsoe and a 2nd a month ago, why dish him along with a first now? People forget the guy is only 27 because he’s always looked like he’s 40, but he must have value beyond a salary dump.
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Nino Brown
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Post by Nino Brown on Dec 8, 2020 16:58:46 GMT -5
What do you even need the cap space for CLE? This is a one year salary dump at the cost of a first rounder in the possible "double draft". I thought expirings had value, why are you attaching a pick to something that has value? I could be wrong tho. Why are you giving LAC more picks, he literally has all most of your picks lol, can you guys all stop giving LAC your picks? The draft most likely isn’t going to be a double draft. Don’t fixate on something that isn’t etched in stone. On top of that, the pick is most likely going to be a late first(there is literally research done, and late round picks make ONE all star game less than 10% of the time). I literally just made 3 picks in our most recent draft, and still have a first in 2021 and 2023 after this trade, so it’s not like my entire draft capital is spent. Plus this clears up nearly 30m in cap space, it’s not like its only for a few million.
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Yeezy
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Post by Yeezy on Dec 8, 2020 17:13:56 GMT -5
I'm not smart enough to know if this is rejectable, probably not but was just wondering on your thought process a bit more
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Nino Brown
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Post by Nino Brown on Dec 8, 2020 17:29:01 GMT -5
I'm not smart enough to know if this is rejectable, probably not but was just wondering on your thought process a bit more I mean in a way I can understand the pause because I did trade Bledsoe for Adams, but idk to me giving up a late round pick to move Adams for a chance to get a max guy or two this summer seems worth it, especially when you consider not many teams have max slots, and some of the ones that do have to pay their own guys. Also the double draft has all but been pushed back a year. Their just won’t be enough time for it to be made in 2022. 2023 is the most widely accepted year for it at this juncture, and it could come later than that.
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billy
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Post by billy on Dec 8, 2020 17:42:58 GMT -5
I'm not smart enough to know if this is rejectable, probably not but was just wondering on your thought process a bit more I mean in a way I can understand the pause because I did trade Bledsoe for Adams, but idk to me giving up a late round pick to move Adams for a chance to get a max guy or two this summer seems worth it, especially when you consider not many teams have max slots, and some of the ones that do have to pay their own guys. Also the double draft has all but been pushed back a year. Their just won’t be enough time for it to be made in 2022. 2023 is the most widely accepted year for it at this juncture, and it could come later than that. I don't think a team of Ben Simmons, Dejounte Murray and literally no one else is going to entice many max FAs
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Post by billy on Dec 8, 2020 17:43:28 GMT -5
That being said I encourage all teams to clear max cap so they can enter the AD sweepstakes! When you guys have all struck out plz hmu about kemba
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Yeezy
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Post by Yeezy on Dec 8, 2020 18:30:04 GMT -5
Alright well, signing FAs here is very hard, but you got Kemba waiting for you apparently, so I'll approve it
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Nino Brown
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Post by Nino Brown on Dec 8, 2020 19:30:14 GMT -5
I mean in a way I can understand the pause because I did trade Bledsoe for Adams, but idk to me giving up a late round pick to move Adams for a chance to get a max guy or two this summer seems worth it, especially when you consider not many teams have max slots, and some of the ones that do have to pay their own guys. Also the double draft has all but been pushed back a year. Their just won’t be enough time for it to be made in 2022. 2023 is the most widely accepted year for it at this juncture, and it could come later than that. I don't think a team of Ben Simmons, Dejounte Murray and literally no one else is going to entice many max FAs Put some respeck on Will Barton name! I aint gone tell y'all no mo!
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Shaq O'Neal
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Post by Shaq O'Neal on Dec 8, 2020 20:52:01 GMT -5
Accept
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Post by Stuff The Magic Dragon on Dec 8, 2020 21:48:51 GMT -5
I mean in a way I can understand the pause because I did trade Bledsoe for Adams, but idk to me giving up a late round pick to move Adams for a chance to get a max guy or two this summer seems worth it, especially when you consider not many teams have max slots, and some of the ones that do have to pay their own guys. Also the double draft has all but been pushed back a year. Their just won’t be enough time for it to be made in 2022. 2023 is the most widely accepted year for it at this juncture, and it could come later than that. I don't think a team of Ben Simmons, Dejounte Murray and literally no one else is going to entice many max FAs had you let Tatum hit FA, he would've gotten max offers
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Post by Ron Artest(1x Champ) on Dec 8, 2020 22:18:20 GMT -5
What do you even need the cap space for CLE? This is a one year salary dump at the cost of a first rounder in the possible "double draft". I thought expirings had value, why are you attaching a pick to something that has value? I could be wrong tho. Why are you giving LAC more picks, he literally has all most of your picks lol, can you guys all stop giving LAC your picks? Technically it’s not even his original pick. Chances are, it’s not too valuable of a pick with Lebron and AD on the roster for the foreseeable future. He’s essentially giving away Adams for more cap space which can be used to sign better/cheaper FA’s on longer contracts. Adams only has but so much value anyways on that expiring contract. I’ve seen trades like this one(some worst) get accepted multiple times over in this league, and by everyone’s favorite logical answer “This isn’t Franchise ruining”. I don’t see why this would be rejected. Also you guys should really stop commenting on trades before they’re accepted by all parties.
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Shaq O'Neal
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Post by Shaq O'Neal on Dec 8, 2020 23:13:02 GMT -5
[quote author=" Ron Artest(1x Champ)" Also you guys should really stop commenting on trades before they’re accepted by all parties. [/quote] Not their fault this time actually since they got tagged early so they probably did not notice I had not accepted yet
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Shaq O'Neal
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Post by Logan Hough on Dec 9, 2020 16:59:27 GMT -5
This is a Garbage trade for CLE imo. I don't think the rest of the roster is good enough to think that a big FA will for sure sign there.
What is the vote at right now?
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Post by Logan Hough on Dec 9, 2020 17:03:45 GMT -5
It looks like it's 1-1 I guess. I don't think this is outright rejectable but it is a bad trade. I'm going to wait and see what billy and stuff say.
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billy
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Post by billy on Dec 9, 2020 17:18:23 GMT -5
i'm voting to reject this. i hate rejecting trades but this trade doesnt make any sense to me you go from a contending team with giannis to an obvious rebuilding strategy so your next move is to move a quite possibly good 1st to try to get a free agent? why didnt you just try to lure a free agent when you had giannis?
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Post by Shaq O'Neal on Dec 10, 2020 6:42:18 GMT -5
I don't think a team that has LeBron and has BRs on AD will suck and make that pick good.Also it is not even Cleveland's own pick so I don't see how this is franchise ruining. Adams is making 30 mil when he averages 10/9.You could say his impact goes beyond the stats in terms of intangibles and him doing the dirty work on court but those things do not reflect in a sim.Even if a max FA is not that likely to sign with Cleveland,the 27 million he clears can be used in a much better way this offseason
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Nino Brown
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Post by Nino Brown on Dec 10, 2020 7:31:20 GMT -5
i'm voting to reject this. i hate rejecting trades but this trade doesnt make any sense to me you go from a contending team with giannis to an obvious rebuilding strategy so your next move is to move a quite possibly good 1st to try to get a free agent? why didnt you just try to lure a free agent when you had giannis? Even if I don’t get a max worthy FA , there is so other many ways to use that much cap space. Teams might need cap relief, which would be a good opportunity to hoard picks and specs for example. I can’t remember the numbers, but with Giannis I’d of had around 15m to spend, which is okay, but there was no guarantee I could get over the hump, and I’d say there was a solid chance of losing him for nothing if I’d of kept him. Plus the chances of that pick being a lottery pick or higher are slim. You guys are really overvaluing this pick which is weird, but probably more convenient too. How is this trade any different from these dynasty720.proboards.com/thread/7005/cle-lac This trade was admittedly much worse than this one from me lol dynasty720.proboards.com/thread/4035/seattle-supersonics-charlotte-hornets-excitingdynasty720.proboards.com/thread/3835/portland-chicagodynasty720.proboards.com/thread/3930/cle-tordynasty720.proboards.com/thread/6812/gsw-utahThe reason people keep bitching about the league is because their is no consistency whatsoever with anything.
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billy
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Post by billy on Dec 10, 2020 7:41:06 GMT -5
i'm voting to reject this. i hate rejecting trades but this trade doesnt make any sense to me you go from a contending team with giannis to an obvious rebuilding strategy so your next move is to move a quite possibly good 1st to try to get a free agent? why didnt you just try to lure a free agent when you had giannis? Even if I don’t get a max worthy FA , there is so other many ways to use that much cap space. Teams might need cap relief, which would be a good opportunity to hoard picks and specs for example. I can’t remember the numbers, but with Giannis I’d of had around 15m to spend, which is okay, but there was no guarantee I could get over the hump, and I’d say there was a solid chance of losing him for nothing if I’d of kept him. Plus the chances of that pick being a lottery pick or higher are slim. You guys are really overvaluing this pick which is weird, but probably more convenient too. How is this trade any different from these dynasty720.proboards.com/thread/7005/cle-lac This trade was admittedly much worse than this one from me lol dynasty720.proboards.com/thread/4035/seattle-supersonics-charlotte-hornets-excitingdynasty720.proboards.com/thread/3835/portland-chicagodynasty720.proboards.com/thread/3930/cle-tordynasty720.proboards.com/thread/6812/gsw-utahThe reason people keep bitching about the league is because their is no consistency whatsoever with anything. Have you seen who is under contract for the hawks in 2022? Thinking that is an unlikely lottery pick is a bad take.
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billy
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Post by billy on Dec 10, 2020 7:44:46 GMT -5
Also dude, holy shit, I actually clicked those trade links and the only one that was giving up a 1st was the incredibly dumb trade you did with LAC last year that everyone panned in the thread. The test trade 2nd rounders.
Call the TC inconsistent again sure but bring less terrible evidence lmfao
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Nino Brown
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Post by Nino Brown on Dec 10, 2020 7:49:13 GMT -5
Also dude, holy shit, I actually clicked those trade links and the only one that was giving up a 1st was the incredibly dumb trade you did with LAC last year that everyone panned in the thread. The test trade 2nd rounders. Call the TC inconsistent again sure but bring less terrible evidence lmfao Fundamentally those trades are the same. They only use seconds because none of those contracts are taking up 30m in cap space. But ok, I’m glad a precedent is being set, hopefully.
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Post by billy on Dec 10, 2020 7:53:04 GMT -5
Also dude, holy shit, I actually clicked those trade links and the only one that was giving up a 1st was the incredibly dumb trade you did with LAC last year that everyone panned in the thread. The test trade 2nd rounders. Call the TC inconsistent again sure but bring less terrible evidence lmfao Fundamentally those trades are the same. They only use seconds because none of those contracts are taking up 30m in cap space. But ok, I’m glad a precedent is being set, hopefully. Its mind boggling to me that you would make basically the same trade you did last year, that you just admit was terrible, and that passed by literally 1 vote, and then insult the league for trying to save you this time.
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Post by billy on Dec 10, 2020 7:53:54 GMT -5
Also dude, holy shit, I actually clicked those trade links and the only one that was giving up a 1st was the incredibly dumb trade you did with LAC last year that everyone panned in the thread. The test trade 2nd rounders. Call the TC inconsistent again sure but bring less terrible evidence lmfao Fundamentally those trades are the same. They only use seconds because none of those contracts are taking up 30m in cap space. But ok, I’m glad a precedent is being set, hopefully. So you trade 2 2nds not a pick that has a decent shot of being lottery
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Nino Brown
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Post by Nino Brown on Dec 10, 2020 7:55:47 GMT -5
Have you seen who is under contract for the hawks in 2022? Thinking that is an unlikely lottery pick is a bad take. Lebron is under contract, and AD will likely be under contract as well in 2022. AD just committed to a max contract to play with Lebron for the next X amount of years, so if the PA’s decide to have him sign elsewhere you’d be proving Steve’s point in a way. I doubt they’d have trouble finding players willing to team up with two top 5 players, and growing cap space each year.
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Post by billy on Dec 10, 2020 8:00:35 GMT -5
Have you seen who is under contract for the hawks in 2022? Thinking that is an unlikely lottery pick is a bad take. Lebron is under contract, and AD will likely be under contract as well in 2022. AD just committed to a max contract to play with Lebron for the next X amount of years, so if the PA’s decide to have him sign elsewhere you’d be proving Steve’s point in a way. I doubt they’d have trouble finding players willing to team up with two top 5 players, and growing cap space each year. I dont vote on player contracts in this league, so I dont really have a say where they go, but you're doing the thing that Steve did where he compares apples to oranges but insists they are apples. There are significant differences between AD signing with the Lakers IRL and signing with the Hawks here. Atlanta is not the market that LAL is, and Atlanta did not win a championship, or even come that close. I'm really getting annoyed as hell with people thinking their opinion of things is right and there isn't a wide range of acceptable plausible scenarios and the uncertainty that comes with it. If you and Steve think we do such a shit job of running the league then maybe you can do it instead.
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Nino Brown
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Post by Nino Brown on Dec 10, 2020 8:17:28 GMT -5
Lebron is under contract, and AD will likely be under contract as well in 2022. AD just committed to a max contract to play with Lebron for the next X amount of years, so if the PA’s decide to have him sign elsewhere you’d be proving Steve’s point in a way. I doubt they’d have trouble finding players willing to team up with two top 5 players, and growing cap space each year. I dont vote on player contracts in this league, so I dont really have a say where they go, but you're doing the thing that Steve did where he compares apples to oranges but insists they are apples. There are significant differences between AD signing with the Lakers IRL and signing with the Hawks here. Atlanta is not the market that LAL is, and Atlanta did not win a championship, or even come that close. I'm really getting annoyed as hell with people thinking their opinion of things is right and there isn't a wide range of acceptable plausible scenarios and the uncertainty that comes with it. If you and Steve think we do such a shit job of running the league then maybe you can do it instead. “I'm really getting annoyed as hell with people thinking their opinion of things is right and there isn't a wide range of acceptable plausible scenarios and the uncertainty that comes with it”. This is ironic, but I’m not going to keep arguing about this. It’s just funny how controversial trades get accepted all the time, and then the usual “this isn’t franchise ruining” gimmick is used, but clearly this trade isn’t franchise ruining even if you deem it a bad trade. Even if you say “nobody is going to want to play with Ben and a group of nobodies”, somebody is going to need cap relief at some point which would just get me back valuable assets anyways so I don’t see how this is worthy of a reject, but whatever.
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Post by Paul Pierce on Dec 10, 2020 8:28:30 GMT -5
Lebron is under contract, and AD will likely be under contract as well in 2022. AD just committed to a max contract to play with Lebron for the next X amount of years, so if the PA’s decide to have him sign elsewhere you’d be proving Steve’s point in a way. I doubt they’d have trouble finding players willing to team up with two top 5 players, and growing cap space each year. I dont vote on player contracts in this league, so I dont really have a say where they go, but you're doing the thing that Steve did where he compares apples to oranges but insists they are apples. There are significant differences between AD signing with the Lakers IRL and signing with the Hawks here. Atlanta is not the market that LAL is, and Atlanta did not win a championship, or even come that close. I'm really getting annoyed as hell with people thinking their opinion of things is right and there isn't a wide range of acceptable plausible scenarios and the uncertainty that comes with it. If you and Steve think we do such a shit job of running the league then maybe you can do it instead. Damn, I’ve really been under the assumption AD takes a 3*12 deal to sign with me since he was born in Chicago. You’re telling me there’s other possible outcomes in this league?
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