Shaq O'Neal
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Jan 24, 2021 13:38:59 GMT -5
Post by Shaq O'Neal on Jan 24, 2021 13:38:59 GMT -5
Clippers trade Kevin Love $36,660,000 Nerlens Noel $17,000,000 Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk $1,342,900 $1,634,000 (QO) Rodions Kurucs $1,342,900 $1,634,000 (QO) Daniel Gafford $1,368,000 $1,442,900(TO) $1,834,000 (QO) Kendrick Nunn $1,091,400 Outgoing salaries=$58,805,200 Celtics trade Kyle Lowry $40,108,950 Joe Ingles $13,390,000 Outgoing salaries=$53,498,950(125% of 53,498,950=66,873,687.5>58,805,200) I accept Red Auerbach
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Red Auerbach
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Jan 24, 2021 22:18:43 GMT -5
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Post by Red Auerbach on Jan 24, 2021 22:18:43 GMT -5
I accept.
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Shaq O'Neal
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Jan 24, 2021 22:52:45 GMT -5
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Nino Brown
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Jan 25, 2021 7:23:15 GMT -5
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Post by Nino Brown on Jan 25, 2021 7:23:15 GMT -5
This is a reject for me. Boston is trading the best two pieces in the deal, and essentially getting nothing in return. I understand these are mostly expirings, but you can get more. You’re making your team worse for no reason.
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Shaq O'Neal
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Jan 25, 2021 8:00:29 GMT -5
Post by Shaq O'Neal on Jan 25, 2021 8:00:29 GMT -5
So here are some deals involving Lowry in the past year Accepted trades were dynasty720.proboards.com/thread/7485/hou-phx (horrible trade by HOU imo but you can see his value is not that high) dynasty720.proboards.com/thread/7707/bos-chi-dal-phx ( Lowry was essentially traded for Tristan+Korkmaz) dynasty720.proboards.com/thread/7880/bos-dal (essentially a 2nd and a 4 pick jump from 37 to 33) So clearly you can see his value is not that high which is not a surprise to me considering he is 35,making 40 million and has no BRs. His market according to his play would be a contender but extremely unlikely a contender has 40 million in contracts to match Lowry's salary while giving up value which makes them better and even more unilkely is them having 40 million in expirings to match Lowry's salary so as to not kill Boston's cap space which is an underrated asset imo. Ingles was moved for cap space recently too dynasty720.proboards.com/thread/7900/bos-lac-amendedLove and Noel are worse than Lowry and Ingles but they are still capable players with Love coming off a 17/10 season last year and Noel being a big part of NYK's good defense this year. As for incentive to get worse, POR owns BOS's top 8 protected pick so they can keep that by trading away their vets. And Gafford, Nunn and Svi are definitely not nothing. It is easy to say you could have got more but the value of players is not determined by someone's opinion. It is determined by the market. In a loaded 2021 draft class, there are not many teams wiling to switch to contending from rebuilding which lowers the value of such players too. So essentially contenders are the target but they do not have the contracts+assets to make it worth for them so even with them it is tough to get a deal and if you want to preserve your cap space then it gets even worse. I don't see how this is a reject if the earlier Lowry deals were accepted without a single reject or discussion. With his 40 million salary no BRs and age he is just not appealing to many teams and even if they want him, making the money work would be next to impossible.
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Theodore Duncan
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Post by Theodore Duncan on Jan 25, 2021 9:02:38 GMT -5
One thing to consider is that although Boston is getting additional decent young players, they have only 2 roster spots left with season almost starting. Probably from the roster Jahlil Okafor is abovious canditate for cutting, but also one of these players they are getting probably would need to be cut.
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Shaq O'Neal
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Jan 25, 2021 9:09:08 GMT -5
Post by Shaq O'Neal on Jan 25, 2021 9:09:08 GMT -5
One thing to consider is that although Boston is getting additional decent young players, they have only 2 roster spots left with season almost starting. Probably from the roster Jahlil Okafor is abovious canditate for cutting, but also one of these players they are getting probably would need to be cut. Fair point but 3 weeks is plenty of time to figure something out
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Nino Brown
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Jan 25, 2021 9:39:11 GMT -5
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Post by Nino Brown on Jan 25, 2021 9:39:11 GMT -5
Mavs gave up Draymond for Lowry whose still a top 10 defender in the league, I would say that’s pretty hefty. I accepted the third deal involving Lowry because the Mavs were able to shed a lot of cap space, move up 4 draft spots, and acquire an additional draft asset. Ingles was traded by Washington to shed space, AND get a target they were high on.
Boston has notoriously rushed to trade players without adequately shopping them before. He’s had Ingles OTB for about a week now, and though he probably hasn’t gotten any offers(whose to say), even for an expiring, Ingles is good enough, and cheap enough for contending teams to eventually target for an upgrade.
Your point about Love and Noel is contradictory, first you give reasons as to why they’re good acquisitions for Boston, then say that he has incentive to tank to keep his top 8 protected pick.
I’m not sure if you mess around with the sim, but Boston are actually one of the better teams in the Eastern Conference with their current roster. So while they get worse, they don’t get worse to the point where they suddenly become a lottery team.
Daniel Gafford, Kurucs, and Mykhailiukare are lower tier prospects. Nunn is expiring, and he doesn’t have bird rights. The Celtics literally gain nothing from this trade, and the funny part is you’re 100% going to end up flipping both guys for even more assets, while the Celtics add more salary and bodies to a roster with even less trade value.
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Shaq O'Neal
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Jan 25, 2021 9:49:04 GMT -5
Post by Shaq O'Neal on Jan 25, 2021 9:49:04 GMT -5
Mavs gave up Draymond for Lowry whose still a top 10 defender in the league, I would say that’s pretty hefty. I accepted the third deal involving Lowry because the Mavs were able to shed a lot of cap space, move up 4 draft spots, and acquire an additional draft asset. Ingles was traded by Washington to shed space, AND get a target they were high on. Boston has notoriously rushed to trade players without adequately shopping them before. He’s had Ingles OTB for about a week now, and though he probably hasn’t gotten any offers(whose to say), even for an expiring, Ingles is good enough, and cheap enough for contending teams to eventually target for an upgrade. Your point about Love and Noel is contradictory, first you give reasons as to why they’re good acquisitions for Boston, then say that he has incentive to tank to keep his top 8 protected pick. I’m not sure if you mess around with the sim, but Boston are actually one of the better teams in the Eastern Conference with their current roster. So while they get worse, they don’t get worse to the point where they suddenly become a lottery team. Daniel Gafford, Kurucs, and Mykhailiukare are lower tier prospects. Nunn is expiring, and he doesn’t have bird rights. The Celtics literally gain nothing from this trade, and the funny part is you’re 100% going to end up flipping both guys for even more assets, while the Celtics add more salary and bodies to a roster with even less trade value. Draymond sucked in the sim last reason which is why Mavs moved him.Both DAL and CHi had awful stretches with him. Paul Pierce can confirm this and also Justin got back Tristan+Furkan for Lowry so. And in the cap space deal you mention, that was a great deal for Dallas which I agree with because those were free assets for Dallas since they could decline the TO and get cap space anyway so sure disregard that trade if you want but the PHX-DAL-CHI accurately shows Lowry's value Love and Noel are still productive players which means they can be flipped for some value. Their destination is to be bad enough to have a top 8 pick which is obviously not reached in 1 step. This is step 1 of the process to get a top 8 protected pick. It is unreasonable to expect them to reach it using 1 deal.This is just a step in the right direction for them. And about the point of me flipping them for more assets? I don't plan to do so and it is a big assumption which I don't think should be factored in your vote. Especially since past Lowry deals have had less assets received with the TC not complaining about it.
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Shaq O'Neal
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Jan 25, 2021 9:50:38 GMT -5
Post by Shaq O'Neal on Jan 25, 2021 9:50:38 GMT -5
And if you expect me or anyone to give up first round talents for Lowry you are delusional because the only teams with salaries to do that are young teams and I definitely don't expect anyone to give up that amount of value for a 35 yr old PG making 40 million with no BRS
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Shaq O'Neal
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Jan 25, 2021 10:39:12 GMT -5
Post by Shaq O'Neal on Jan 25, 2021 10:39:12 GMT -5
Also, Ingles was traded just for cap space and not Cole Anthony. I was part of the deal so I know that Ingles was just added because Pete wanted cap space.
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billy
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Post by billy on Jan 25, 2021 10:52:55 GMT -5
i mean maybe lowry is worth but not much more
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Nino Brown
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Post by Nino Brown on Jan 25, 2021 11:09:48 GMT -5
Mavs gave up Draymond for Lowry whose still a top 10 defender in the league, I would say that’s pretty hefty. I accepted the third deal involving Lowry because the Mavs were able to shed a lot of cap space, move up 4 draft spots, and acquire an additional draft asset. Ingles was traded by Washington to shed space, AND get a target they were high on. Boston has notoriously rushed to trade players without adequately shopping them before. He’s had Ingles OTB for about a week now, and though he probably hasn’t gotten any offers(whose to say), even for an expiring, Ingles is good enough, and cheap enough for contending teams to eventually target for an upgrade. Your point about Love and Noel is contradictory, first you give reasons as to why they’re good acquisitions for Boston, then say that he has incentive to tank to keep his top 8 protected pick. I’m not sure if you mess around with the sim, but Boston are actually one of the better teams in the Eastern Conference with their current roster. So while they get worse, they don’t get worse to the point where they suddenly become a lottery team. Daniel Gafford, Kurucs, and Mykhailiukare are lower tier prospects. Nunn is expiring, and he doesn’t have bird rights. The Celtics literally gain nothing from this trade, and the funny part is you’re 100% going to end up flipping both guys for even more assets, while the Celtics add more salary and bodies to a roster with even less trade value. Draymond sucked in the sim last reason which is why Mavs moved him.Both DAL and CHi had awful stretches with him. Paul Pierce can confirm this and also Justin got back Tristan+Furkan for Lowry so. And in the cap space deal you mention, that was a great deal for Dallas which I agree with because those were free assets for Dallas since they could decline the TO and get cap space anyway so sure disregard that trade if you want but the PHX-DAL-CHI accurately shows Lowry's value Love and Noel are still productive players which means they can be flipped for some value. Their destination is to be bad enough to have a top 8 pick which is obviously not reached in 1 step. This is step 1 of the process to get a top 8 protected pick. It is unreasonable to expect them to reach it using 1 deal.This is just a step in the right direction for them. And about the point of me flipping them for more assets? I don't plan to do so and it is a big assumption which I don't think should be factored in your vote. Especially since past Lowry deals have had less assets received with the TC not complaining about it. You potentially flipping them didn’t factor in my decision, but I’ll flip my vote to an accept. I still think he should be getting more, if even a second round draft pick or two, those go a long way.
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Shaq O'Neal
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Jan 29, 2021 1:33:42 GMT -5
Post by Shaq O'Neal on Jan 29, 2021 1:33:42 GMT -5
Processed
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Post by Ben Wallace on Jan 29, 2021 12:54:28 GMT -5
How many times has Lowry moved in the last 6 months
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Shaq O'Neal
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Post by Shaq O'Neal on Jan 29, 2021 14:27:06 GMT -5
How many times has Lowry moved in the last 6 months Well this is not in the last 6 months but Lowry has had a hell of a ride. Won a title last season---> GSW used their amnesty on him--->signed a 2 year max with 2nd year as TO with Houston--->GM left---->got the GM who used the amnesty on him---->got traded to PHX---->got traded to DAL---->played in the finals for them---->got traded to BOS----->got traded to LAC
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