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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 21:34:47 GMT -5
- Rajon Rondo $12,909,090 (expiring) - 2015 1st rd. pick - 2016 2nd rd. pick - 2017 1st rd. pick Salary before trade $47.6 million Salary after trade $50.9 million Kings give: - Kawhi Leonard $3,053,368, $4,268,608 - JaVale McGee $11,250,000, $12,000,000 Salary before trade $90.5 million Salary after trade $87.2 million Reasoning: - Kings do not expect to be able to resign Kawhi with their cap situation (currently, $87million). So, using him to accumulate assets is a logical choice. - Kings current roster construction can be described as *Win Now*. Adding Rondo's 72 rating certainly aids them in their goal of winning a championship this season. (Note: Kawhi is currently rated 70) - Kings can reduce their cap hit in 2015 with this trade by over $16 million. (With some careful planning they may even be able to come in just slightly under the cap for next year.) - Kings will come out of this deal with a likely lottery pick from the *tanking* Celtics. Focusing on adding youth with these three years of draft picks is an excellent way to address cap issues in the immediate sense, while still building for the future. - Celtics will have the cap room to give Kawhi his max contract next season. - Celtics relieve the Kings of one of the worst contracts in basketball. J. McGee is guaranteed $24 million dollars over the next two seasons. He has only played 28 games in the last two years & was cut by the 76ers. A $12 million cap hit for a low 60 to mid-50's player in 2015 is a contract the Kings are happy to be rid of. - Celtics have certainly taken a risk by giving away two first round picks but, in order to land a player like Kawhi these are the types of moves that are required. - Celtics understand 29yr old Rondo's desire to play for a championship contender this season & they feel that the Kings are an excellent candidate for Rondo to pursue this goal. Overall, The Kings aid their goal of winning now, shed bad contracts, & gain valuable pieces to build for the future. While the Celtics are able to sign one of the NBA's rising young stars. Thanks for your consideration, @oshaughnessy & Frank Reynolds |
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jun 23, 2015 22:25:29 GMT -5
I don't really mind this trade as long as we're ignoring the fact that the Kings currently have only one decent small forward (Kawhi) and no need for another Point Guard as they already have two. What will Bill do if this trade does go through, bring $19 Million worth of D-Will off the bench and start one of their worst players (Kirilenko) at SF?
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Post by billy on Jun 23, 2015 22:26:44 GMT -5
What is each teams salary before and after the trade?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 22:28:38 GMT -5
This is not Frank Reynolds only move of the year. Moving Kawhi is just one step he is going to take & having extra 1st round picks will aid him in making those deals happen. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 22:33:34 GMT -5
What is each teams salary before and after the trade? Edited the post for you BK but, there is only about $3.3 million difference between the two sets of salaries on this one. |
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Post by Reggie Miller on Jun 23, 2015 23:01:07 GMT -5
The Kings might have a problem because they already got 2 point guards in Dragic and Williams.. Leonard is their only legit small forward that is a starter but he's not capable of resigning him.. I may be leaning towards accepting this trade
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 23:06:58 GMT -5
Reggie Miller I think we can address the points you've rasied here. Bill & I spoke about this BUT, Dragic is listed as a *G* so he's able to slide over to a SG role if need be. Mentioned this above but, Bill like all of us, will be making further moves & with these drafts picks I suspect that will become even easier for him now.
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Post by Donald Trump on Jun 24, 2015 0:34:14 GMT -5
Im sorry but i will reject this since the this is a lopsided trade. Kings will lose a monster player which im pretty sure will get higher ratings the following stockwatch periods because he will be the main man in SA and as i said he is a future superstar.. And i also think that rondo will get lower ratings because of his mental problems and recent turmoil he played like shit past season add to that his expiring contract..and the draft picks are not enough to trade for kawhi because that will be late picks based on the roster..
if kings are on a win now mentality they can get better players for kawhi instead of rondo and i dont think that celtics are tanking with their roster composition so far..
In short i dont think that boston is giving enough to trade for kawhi..
sorry guys..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 4:28:58 GMT -5
Donald Trump for the most part I feel we agree with you on this. One of the key factors for us here though is that the Kings are in a very precarious position with their cap. With our league's cap, salary matching rules & trade restrictions, the Kings need to find & trade for tens of millions in expiring deals only if they have any hope of signing Kawhi this offseason. In short, the Kings need to take their cap down from north of $85 million to the $50 million dollar range to sign Kawhi. (And, that number needs to be even lower when we consider the other FA's the Kings will have to sign to have 12 players on their roster.) If they don't have the room to sign him to a max deal this summer then any other team will be able to pick Kawhi up in FA. If the Kings don't deal they'll risk receiving nothing. In the 2014 simulation, Rondo is rated 72 & a Top 25 overall player. I know it's weird to imagine but, we're going back to the start of 2014 so Rondo is a spectacular. There is no knee injury to worry about & he isn't trying to play his way out of Boston in our sim. Rondo just goes back to being that dominant PG with Ps, R, Dp, B, A attributes. Rondo's expiring contract is a bonus for the Kings too. It enables them to trade away J. McGee's contract effectively saving them $12 million dollars off next year's cap hit. Few if any would take on McGee's $12 million in 2015 otherwise. Overall this is type of deal happens in sports quite often... Young star is on last year of his contract & can't sign with his current team so, they make a deal for young talent & / or a veteran star. Given all this, Bill & I truly hope you may reconsider your stance Donald Trump but, will obviously respect the decision you ultimately make. PS. I forgot to mention an added bonus here is that with the Kings high wages these draft picks won't negatively affect their cap going forward. While the Kings core ages, they'll have a young crop of Bird's Rights eligible players to replace them & can hopefully avoid the dreaded *rebuilding* phase.
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Post by Reggie Miller on Jun 24, 2015 4:35:27 GMT -5
With the inlcusion of Mcgee in the trade, The Kings can resign Rondo
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Post by Frank Reynolds on Jun 24, 2015 5:24:22 GMT -5
I agree to this trade, and if i cant trade for a SF immediately i can always play Andrei Kerilinko or Deron Williams
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 5:50:21 GMT -5
I agree to this trade, and if i cant trade for a SF immediately i can always play Andrei Kerilinko or Deron Williams We're in an odd spot here with the SF issue. Bill & I can't reveal everything that we spoke about behind closed doors... So let me say this, we are confident that Bill will be able to effectively address this concern. |
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Post by billy on Jun 24, 2015 9:50:18 GMT -5
The Kings could literally just hand a team under the cap deron Williams and not have to receive any salary.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 11:20:40 GMT -5
After speaking will Bill I know that he engaged in talks with at least 4/5 other GM's. He decided to move on this offer.
Also, saying *just hand over D. Will* is different than making a fair & balanced trade that the TC deem acceptable.
As for finding a D. Will suitor, I'm unsure which teams under the cap would casually be willing to take on his $60 million+ over the next 3 years. (Most appear to be those full of rookie contracts.)
Or if Bill would even want to just hand over his 3rd round pick, with Bird's Rights & starting PG for the next 3 seasons.
Overall, Bill no doubt has choices, he even already tried to move Kawhi in a separate trade but, it was unfortunately not accepted.
So, now we are here evaluating the merits of this trade.
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Post by billy on Jun 24, 2015 11:30:44 GMT -5
I think that it is a little lopsided from a value perspective.
It's a pretty easy way to figure it out too.
What are the chances that
1 year of Rondo
2015 1st
2017 1st
are going to give you a good as player as Kawhi?
Probably like 20%.
However, I've kind of just decided to let Sacramento do whatever he wants because I'm tired of rejecting all these stupid trades he comes up with. This at least has a semblence of being fair.
I accept.
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Post by billy on Jun 24, 2015 11:33:28 GMT -5
After speaking will Bill I know that he engaged in talks with at least 4/5 other GM's. He decided to move on this offer. Also, saying *just hand over D. Will* is different than making a fair & balanced trade that the TC deem acceptable. As for finding a D. Will suitor, I'm unsure which teams under the cap would casually be willing to take on his $60 million+ over the next 3 years. (Most appear to be those full of rookie contracts.) Or if Bill would even want to just hand over his 3rd round pick, with Bird's Rights & starting PG for the next 3 seasons. Overall, Bill no doubt has choices, he even already tried to move Kawhi in a separate trade but, it was unfortunately not accepted. So, now we are here evaluating the merits of this trade. I'd take deron williams from him if he would send me a first rounder. *shrugs* I wouldn't have to send him anything back. you seem to misunderstand the 125% rule a bit it simply says "If you are over the cap after a trade, your incoming salaries must not exceed 125% of your outgoing salaries." So... as long as he doesnt take 125% salary in that he is sending out, a trade is legal. He could send me Deron Williams for a minumum valued player if he wanted to. Thats why arguments about a trade being fair based on a team being over the cap don't really hold water. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 12:00:49 GMT -5
After seeing several trades discussed here in the forum, the theme seems to be if a trade provides balance or equality for both sides.
I understand that someone in excess of $20 million under the cap could send a min. valued player back to the Kings & the math would work out.
But as I said earlier, I am truly unsure which team that's more than $20 million under the cap would be willing to take on D. Will's 3 year, $60 million dollar salary so lightly. (Looking at the roster construction most of those type of teams are focused on building through tanking & rookie deals.)
Outside of that, are we so sure that this is even the direction Bill wants to take his team?
I've been in negotiations on & off for days now & we have certainly discussed many of his options.
Setting that all that aside for now though, we would request that we remained focused on the trade that Bill & I are presenting here.
Rather than spending time on 3rd parties negotiating deals for the Kings 3rd round pick & current starting PG (OR 69).
In the end, we would hope that the TC would consider this trade based on its own merits.
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Post by billy on Jun 24, 2015 12:03:50 GMT -5
After seeing several trades discussed here in the forum, the theme seems to be if a trade provides balance or equality for both sides. I understand that someone in excess of $20 million under the cap could send a min. valued player back to the Kings & the math would work out. But as I said earlier, I am truly unsure which team that's more than $20 million under the cap would be willing to take on D. Will's 3 year, $60 million dollar salary so lightly. (Looking at the roster construction most of those type of teams are focused on building through tanking & rookie deals.) Outside of that, are we so sure that this is even the direction Bill wants to take his team? I've been in negotiations on & off for days now & we have certainly discussed many of his options. Setting that all that aside for now though, we would request that we remained focused on the trade that Bill & I are presenting here. Rather than spending time on 3rd parties negotiating deals for the Kings 3rd round pick & current starting PG (OR 69). In the end, we would hope that the TC would consider this trade based on its own merits. For example, if this trade were to pass. I would take Deron Williams + 1st for say, Trey Burke. That would be good for both sides. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 12:07:33 GMT -5
billy is it appropriate for a member of the TC to be making offers for players that are part of an active trade proposal?
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Post by Frank Reynolds on Jun 24, 2015 12:07:46 GMT -5
I dont see why i give up a first rounder
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 12:09:15 GMT -5
I dont see why i give up a first rounder I don't think we need to be negotiating with billy in this thread at all. Let's please remain focused on the deal at hand before we move onto making deals for D. Will. |
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Post by billy on Jun 24, 2015 12:10:39 GMT -5
billy is it appropriate for a member of the TC to be making offers for players that are part of an active trade proposal? It was an example to show you how easy it is to shed salary in a league like this. Also.. none of those players are a part of this trade proposal. |
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Post by billy on Jun 24, 2015 12:13:12 GMT -5
I dont see why i give up a first rounder Are you going to accept this trade or not? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 12:17:16 GMT -5
First, thank you for accepting our trade proposal.
I didn't see our original post.
You're right 100% correct.
Even so, I would request that this thread remain focused our trade rather than attempting to negotiate a new one.
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Post by billy on Jun 24, 2015 12:22:53 GMT -5
First, thank you for accepting our trade proposal. I didn't see our original post. You're right 100% correct. Even so, I would request that this thread remain focused our trade rather than attempting to negotiate a new one. I'm gonna talk about whatevr I think is valid to the trade at hand, and since you were using cap arguments to make this trade accepted, I had to tell you why it was wrong. And when you still argued, I showed you an example. Sue me. "focused" doesn't matter, this thread can be 5 pages long, only 5 posts in the whole thread will matter and that is the votes of the committee. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 12:30:29 GMT -5
billy As the commissioner you are certainly entitled to speak about whatever you like. Although, I don't feel it is unreasonable to request that a member of the TC not attempted to negotiate another deal here in the middle of a pending trade. Either way, again I thank you for your acceptance & wish you the best of luck with your future dealings.
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Post by billy on Jun 24, 2015 12:31:52 GMT -5
billy As the commissioner you are certainly entitled to speak about whatever you like. Although, I don't feel it is unreasonable to request that a member of the TC not attempted to negotiate another deal here in the middle of a pending trade. Either way, again I thank you for your acceptance & wish you the best of luck with your future dealings. Can you read what I type? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 12:38:08 GMT -5
Thanks for helping Frank Reynolds & I out on this trade billy. We're just looking for a few more votes now. |
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Post by billy on Jun 24, 2015 12:43:14 GMT -5
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Post by Frank Reynolds on Jun 24, 2015 12:48:20 GMT -5
i already did
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