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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 12:50:03 GMT -5
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billy
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Post by billy on Jun 24, 2015 13:05:09 GMT -5
ah didn't see
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 13:10:47 GMT -5
Right there with you, it jumps down to the msg you're quoted in & I keep forgetting to scroll back up for the rest.
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Reggie Miller
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Post by Reggie Miller on Jun 24, 2015 19:51:26 GMT -5
This trade will purely make the Boston stronger and the Sacramento to have a flexibility in cap space also the picks may come handy.. I'll accept this trade..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 20:42:05 GMT -5
Steve Jobs we're almost at the end of the draft now, Billy King & Reggie Miller have both approved our trade. May we have your go ahead as well? This decision could potentially affect our final draft pick &/or Bill Gates next proposed trade. (Expiring salaries vs. Multi-year deals)
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Steve Jobs
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jun 24, 2015 21:15:34 GMT -5
I'm not on the TC, Danny. I just don't like this trade much.
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Steve Jobs
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jun 24, 2015 21:19:13 GMT -5
It was different the first time it was proposed earlier in the draft when an expiring contract could have significantly improved his cap situation for 15-16 and you both still had time to make draft picks that filled the holes left behind from a trade that didn't make sense based on positional needs. But now he has to move his only good Small Forward as well as JaVale McGee, who regardless of future contract would be an amazing bench player for him in a championship run, in order to acquire a slight upgrade at a position for which he has no need. On top of this, his best trading chip is Kawhi, and without Kawhi it will be considerably more difficult to find a player that can replace Kawhi. All in all, his team gets worse, now and in the future, by losing a great player at a position that he needs as well as valuable bench depth while taking on another player he can't keep and relegating one of his highest-rated players (D-Will) to the bench. All for the sake of an inconsequential amount of cap relief - he still won't have any chance of getting under the cap, or really anywhere near, until he moves some of his other shitty contracts like D-Will and Eric Gordon. Meanwhile, you acquire two players that significantly improve your team (that supposedly is tanking?) for this year and beyond.
Worse yet: BK is 100% right that Sacramento could easily pursue significantly better trades than this one for Kawhi in the name of acquiring a player he can actually keep, or significantly better trades than this one to help him clear salary from his roster. He could be trying to move McGee, D-Will, and/or Eric Gordon separately of Kawhi so that he could get under the cap to sign Kawhi, or he could be trying to use a very valuable trading chip in Kawhi to acquire a SF with a long contract that he can keep long term regardless of salary implications. Instead, Bill's choosing to do neither of those, and he's choosing to do it in a way that doesn't improve his championship chances and doesn't improve his team in the future.
It's disappointing that Bill's not going to try to find a decent trade for the player that is/may be the most valuable player in the league this offseason, and I feel like it improves your team in an unfair way, but at the same time I respect the fact that BK and Reggie don't want to deal with the headache that is this trade offer anymore and are willing to just send it through and let Bill deal with the consequences.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 21:45:40 GMT -5
Steve Jobs I won't get into the particulars here. It's all been posted & we feel the reasoning is sound enough to justify our stance on the trade. Although, outside of that I feel some may be too focused on the day after this trade rather than looking at what Bill can do next. We can't just look at a trade in a vacuum. I can't say anything because that wouldn't be fair to Bill but, this clearly isn't going to be a one & done deal for him. Oh, & something that often gets overlooked from my side of things is in Kawhi's four years in the NBA he's managed to play more than 64 games once. His career best? 66 games... So, there's certainly an element of risk in selling off three draft picks with two of them being 1st rounders. In the end, Bill & I hope this deal can go through so we can each take our next step & I'll also say thanks for your input here sir. :)
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Post by Blake Bowman on Jun 24, 2015 21:52:26 GMT -5
I'm convinced that Danny is high as fuck 24/7, solely from reading the shit he's posted in response to Billy.
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Steve Jobs
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jun 24, 2015 22:16:51 GMT -5
Steve Jobs I won't get into the particulars here. It's all been posted & we feel the reasoning is sound enough to justify our stance on the trade. Although, outside of that I feel some may be too focused on the day after this trade rather than looking at what Bill can do next. We can't just look at a trade in a vacuum. I can't say anything because that wouldn't be fair to Bill but, this clearly isn't going to be a one & done deal for him. Oh, & something that often gets overlooked from my side of things is in Kawhi's four years in the NBA he's managed to play more than 64 games once. His career best? 66 games... So, there's certainly an element of risk in selling off three draft picks with two of them being 1st rounders. In the end, Bill & I hope this deal can go through so we can each take our next step & I'll also say thanks for your input here sir. :) Aside from all the other crap, he's 23 and he's only played one season that the team really needed him to be a star. Before that, Duncan, Manu, and TP were the most important players and they could afford to let Kawhi rest longer than absolutely necessary if he was dealing with an injury. Not likely that will hold true going forward. Also, 11-12 was a lockout shortened year with 66 games - missing 2 total games in a years with a heavily compressed schedule is actually an accomplishment. Since then, he's never missed more than 24 games, and a lot of those came from unfortunate circumstances (like an eye infection) rather than just a complete inability to avoid getting injured or chronic issues with knees, feet, or ankles. He's practically a lock for at least a 73 rating once the ratings get redone, and he'll be a dominant defensive center piece for whatever team he's on. Whether he plays 10 games, or 40, or 82, he's a risk everyone in the damn league would take without thinking twice. Secondly, I also already focused on the "what can Bill do next" and it's significantly bleaker without Kawhi as a trading chip... more reason to hate it both "the day after this trade" as well as into the future. I'll reiterate: in this trade's current form, I don't think the Kings get better. The only saving grace would be the draft picks, but you team improves too much from this trade for me to think the Kings are getting a top 10 pick in either year.
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Post by billy on Jun 24, 2015 22:54:52 GMT -5
Yeah, from a value standpoint it probably shouldn't be accepted but if Tim wants to fuck himself in the ass trade after trade and he is determined to trade the guy he made his #1 pick then might as well give him to Danny and we all get some peace and quiet ;)
But in my heart of hearts this will be the most lopsided trade I will ever accept, and I fully expect the other TC members to reject it.
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Post by Blake Bowman on Jun 25, 2015 15:38:53 GMT -5
You're a bitch Go-Kart. Mel and I are cute af.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 16:21:00 GMT -5
You're a bitch Go-Kart. Mel and I are cute af. Just saving this because, out of context it's a really funny thing to say. Oh & Blake Bowman I think someone else is missing a msg from you now.
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Steve Jobs
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jun 25, 2015 16:23:09 GMT -5
Took some more time to consider the trade since being added to the committee, and I still am not a fan. For the reasons I've stated before, I'm going to decline.
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Post by Blake Bowman on Jun 25, 2015 16:23:37 GMT -5
You're a bitch Go-Kart. Mel and I are cute af. Just saving this because, out of context it's a really funny thing to say. Oh & Blake Bowman I think someone else is missing a msg from you now. what message?
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Post by Blake Bowman on Jun 25, 2015 16:23:52 GMT -5
I decline
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 16:35:05 GMT -5
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billy
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Post by billy on Jun 25, 2015 16:51:53 GMT -5
My vote will count for this trade so we are at 2-3. Still waiting on Keith and John to vote. If they haven't voted by the end of the week we will call the trade at whatever the count. If it's tied, all GMs will get a vote for 24 hours, if it is still tied, the trade will be passed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 9:40:35 GMT -5
As BK mentioned earlier, if you look at the value of the pieces being traded, it's not even close to being fair. Having RFA in this league makes Kawhi that much more valuable and while I understand that the Kings cannot resign him even if they wanted to, that does not neglect the fact that this trade is not fair and jeopardizes the integrity of the league. Just because this is a 'better' trade than the previous one submitted by these teams, that is not a sufficient enough reason for me to accept this trade. If the Kings wait at least until before sim starts, I may accept but not at this moment.
I would like to encourage both of you to continue trade talks if you still believe these moves are the best for your team. This trade will be more acceptable imo, IF 1) Celtics offer more and re-submit the trade now OR 2) wait until later in the year after Kings have listened to other offers and is sure that this is the best offer he is going to get.
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billy
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Post by billy on Jun 26, 2015 10:24:06 GMT -5
Trade Rejected.
I encourage you to try again. Maybe sending a young promising player as well to the Kings would make the deal more palatable for the TC.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 13:26:40 GMT -5
billy, @mink2000, Reggie Miller, Blake Bowman, Donald Trump, Steve Jobs. Hello Gents, Frank Reynolds & I know with all the work going into the draft & other trades, etc. that you've all got a lot on your plate here. So, thanks for taking time out & giving your input. Happy we got to present this trade & in turn, learn a bit more about what goes into the process. Until next time, -DA.
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