Pick Protections

[billy]

Draft Picks are able to be "protected" during trading like in the real NBA, but simpler for logistical reasons.

A draft pick during a trade can be:

• Top 3 Protected
• Top 8 Protected
• Lottery Protected
• Swapped

Regulations:

1. Teams cannot trade future picks not already in their possession. Picks are not assured until the draft lottery of that year.

2. If the team giving up the protected pick meets the requirements to keep their pick, their draft pick the next year will also offered to the other team, but be protected one step down. This is called "conveyance".

• Top 3 Protected
• Top 8 Protected
• Lottery Protected
• Swapped

3. The conveyance of a draft pick can only last one year.

Examples:

If the Lakers trade their 2016 Draft Pick as Top 8 protected to Chicago, then they fail hard enough to keep their pick, their 2017 draft pick will then be offered to Chicago as Lottery Protected.

or

If the Lakers trade their 2016 Draft Pick as Lottery Protected to Chicago, then they fail hard enough to keep their own pick, Chicago will have the option to swap their 2017 draft pick with LA.

Order: Top 3 ---> Top 8 ---> Lottery ---> Swap ---> No Conveyance

[Brown Cobb IV]

this wont work unless we build a better way of tracking picks,
the way pick protections work in the nba is that although they are contingent on the draft number, sooner or later a pick needs to be conveyed to the other team. for example if i trade with the pelicans and trade then my top 3 protected first, and then my pick falls in the top 3, i have to have given the pels a backup plan on what happens if my pick falls in the top 3. so for example the trade would have to ATL 2016 first round (top 3 protected), if protection is used then ATL 2017 First round. As you can see tracking all this might get confusing to track. I would love pick protections, but only if we can track them all properly.

[billy]

Feb 15, 2016 12:50:17 GMT -5 Brown Cobb IV said:

this wont work unless we build a better way of tracking picks,
the way pick protections work in the nba is that although they are contingent on the draft number, sooner or later a pick needs to be conveyed to the other team. for example if i trade with the pelicans and trade then my top 3 protected first, and then my pick falls in the top 3, i have to have given the pels a backup plan on what happens if my pick falls in the top 3. so for example the trade would have to ATL 2016 first round (top 3 protected), if protection is used then ATL 2017 First round. As you can see tracking all this might get confusing to track. I would love pick protections, but only if we can track them all properly.

Updated with Regulations & Examples.

[Allan Houston]

Can we swap picks in years where the pick can't be traded due to Stepien rule?

[billy]

Feb 15, 2016 13:21:02 GMT -5 Allan Houston said:

Can we swap picks in years where the pick can't be traded due to Stepien rule?

Yes.

[Keith Van Horn]

It should be noted that say I trade my 2016 top 3 protected, I can't turn around and trade my 2017 pick to another team.

If I understand this correctly...

Team A trades their 2016 first top 8 protected to Team B, Team A's lottery results puts them at pick 8, Team B will then receive Team A's 2017 pick if it is not in the lottery. Team A finishes the 2017 season and they are in the lottery. Team B receives no picks from Team A, and there is no conveyance.

Which means, Team A could not trade their 2017 1st until they are assured that they are in the lottery. And that is only if they have not already traded their 2018 first.

Team X trades their 2016 first to Team Y with lottery protection. Team X falls in the lottery and there is no conveyance of the 2016 first. The following season, Team Y has the option to swap their first, the 2017 first, with Team X. However, Team Y has already traded their 2017 first to Team Z. Team Z now owns the option to swap Team Y's 2017 first with Team X.

Team R trades with Team N. In the terms of the deal, Team R receives the option to swap their 2016 first with Team N. Team R decides not to swap their 2016 first with Team N. There is no conveyance and in 2017, there is no option to swap picks anymore.

The the last scenario I mentioned, I think that Team R should still be able to receive a pick swap from Team N in the 2nd year. This would make pick swapping a little more valuable while offering the same "regulations" as the other options. Instead of the "line" ending after the first year, it could extend to the 2nd year just as the other options do.

The only problem that can, and will, come up with all of this keeping track of things and making sure teams are not trading picks that have options on them designated to other teams already.

[billy]

Feb 15, 2016 16:58:06 GMT -5 Keith Van Horn said:

It should be noted that say I trade my 2016 top 3 protected, I can't turn around and trade my 2017 pick to another team.

Team A trades their 2016 first top 8 protected to Team B, Team A's lottery results puts them at pick 8, Team B will then receive Team A's 2017 pick if it is not in the lottery. Team A finishes the 2017 season and they are in the lottery. Team B receives no picks from Team A, and there is no conveyance.

Which means, Team A could not trade their 2017 1st until they are assured that they are in the lottery. And that is only if they have not already traded their 2018 first.

It's already like that whether it's protected or not :), our implementation of the Stepian Rule.

Feb 15, 2016 16:58:06 GMT -5 Keith Van Horn said:

Team X trades their 2016 first to Team Y with lottery protection. Team X falls in the lottery and there is no conveyance of the 2016 first. The following season, Team Y has the option to swap their first, the 2017 first, with Team X. However, Team Y has already traded their 2017 first to Team Z. Team Z now owns the option to swap Team Y's 2017 first with Team X.

Impossible because of the way we use the Stepian Rule.

Feb 15, 2016 16:58:06 GMT -5 Keith Van Horn said:

Team R trades with Team N. In the terms of the deal, Team R receives the option to swap their 2016 first with Team N. Team R decides not to swap their 2016 first with Team N. There is no conveyance and in 2017, there is no option to swap picks anymore.

The the last scenario I mentioned, I think that Team R should still be able to receive a pick swap from Team N in the 2nd year. This would make pick swapping a little more valuable while offering the same "regulations" as the other options. Instead of the "line" ending after the first year, it could extend to the 2nd year just as the other options do.

I disagree with this because it keeps you from being able to do what the teams in the NBA do, which is use the pick swap to get around the Stepian Rule (In the case of Billy King giving Boston a pick swap in between the two 1sts he traded them for KG and PP).

[Keith Van Horn]

Feb 15, 2016 17:10:50 GMT -5 billy said:

Feb 15, 2016 16:58:06 GMT -5 Keith Van Horn said:

It should be noted that say I trade my 2016 top 3 protected, I can't turn around and trade my 2017 pick to another team.

Team A trades their 2016 first top 8 protected to Team B, Team A's lottery results puts them at pick 8, Team B will then receive Team A's 2017 pick if it is not in the lottery. Team A finishes the 2017 season and they are in the lottery. Team B receives no picks from Team A, and there is no conveyance.

Which means, Team A could not trade their 2017 1st until they are assured that they are in the lottery. And that is only if they have not already traded their 2018 first.

It's already like that whether it's protected or not :), our implementation of the Stepian Rule.

Feb 15, 2016 16:58:06 GMT -5 Keith Van Horn said:

Team X trades their 2016 first to Team Y with lottery protection. Team X falls in the lottery and there is no conveyance of the 2016 first. The following season, Team Y has the option to swap their first, the 2017 first, with Team X. However, Team Y has already traded their 2017 first to Team Z. Team Z now owns the option to swap Team Y's 2017 first with Team X.

Impossible because of the way we use the Stepian Rule.

I don't see why this is impossible because of the Stepian Rule. Team Y hasn't traded their first in 2016. They have Team X's first if it is not in the lottery. Meaning in 2017, Team X and Team Y can pick swap. Why can't Team Y trade their pick swap option to Team Z? In this scenario, Team Y hasn't traded anything in 2016, and in 2017 they trade their first, which has a pick swap on it, to Team Z. Meaning, Team Z now owns Team Y's pick and can swap Team Y's pick with Team X's 2017 first.

Maybe I just don't understand the full details of the Stepian Rule. 

[billy]

Feb 15, 2016 17:18:46 GMT -5 Keith Van Horn said:

Feb 15, 2016 17:10:50 GMT -5 billy said:

It's already like that whether it's protected or not :), our implementation of the Stepian Rule.

Impossible because of the way we use the Stepian Rule.

I don't see why this is impossible because of the Stepian Rule. Team Y hasn't traded their first in 2016. They have Team X's first if it is not in the lottery. Meaning in 2017, Team X and Team Y can pick swap. Why can't Team Y trade their pick swap option to Team Z? In this scenario, Team Y hasn't traded anything in 2016, and in 2017 they trade their first, which has a pick swap on it, to Team Z. Meaning, Team Z now owns Team Y's pick and can swap Team Y's pick with Team X's 2017 first.

Maybe I just don't understand the full details of the Stepian Rule. 

Okay I see what you are saying. You can trade pick swaps but it isn't team Z's pick that would be swapped if you know what am I saying. Team Z would make the decision, though. Z would be holding Y's pick for that year, which has the option to be swapped with X. Guess it's just a bonus for team Z if X falls in in 2016!

[Keith Van Horn]

Can we protect 2019 picks since our thing only goes 4 years out?

[billy]

Feb 18, 2016 15:38:10 GMT -5 Keith Van Horn said:

Can we protect 2019 picks since our thing only goes 4 years out?

Yeah.