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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 7:56:13 GMT -5
Hello, billy, Donald Trump, Blake Bowman, Steve Jobs, Keith Van Horn, & Reggie Miller. Luke Walton, Frank Reynolds & @oshaughnessy have a 3-way deal to present & in the interest of making this proposal easy to follow, we'll post a summary first & then a follow up post with all the relevant details. (Player ratings, team salaries, etc.) | Mavs | Kings | Celtics | | R. Rondo | A. Iguodala
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Edit: Keith Van Horn has asked we list the player's original teams:
Mavs give Iggy & 1st rd.
Kings give Kawhi & Thorton
Celtics give Rondo & Picks
Reasoning
Dallas Mavericks First, the Mavs are very focused on clearing enough cap space in their chase to resign LaMarcus Aldridge to a long-term deal next season. Shedding a $12million cap hit is key for them to get that done. (Mavs '15 cap sits at $53 million without LMA salary.) Also, Dallas' squad is weakest at the point so, a guard like Rondo will be a great addition for a run at a championship. Additionally, the Mavs are quite deep at SF, so moving Iggy isn’t an issue. (Especially, with Manu & Thabo guaranteed to be 100% healthy all season with ‘no injuries’.) Sacremento Kings The Kings move a RFA that they may have had difficulty resigning & immediately fill the roster spot with a great SF in A. Iguodala. More importantly, the Kings gain 5 draft picks total in this trade, with 3 of them being 1st rounders which, will help refresh their aging roster (Avg. age 30+). Boston Celtics
The Celtics currently have 3 PG's on their roster. So, they give up an elite PG & Top 25 player in Rondo, along with 4 of their draft picks in order to land a rising star & boost their production at the SF position. Summary We feel this is a very balanced deal all round. The Mavs address short & long term goals. The Kings replace their SF immediately & also land several draft picks. The Celtics balance their roster by losing a PG & adding a SF. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 8:13:15 GMT -5
The Small Print Mavericks Salary pre & post trade: $78.4 - $79.2 (+700k) Rajon Rondo (72) $12.9mil Kings Salary pre & post trade: $96.6 - $100.3 (+700k) Andre Iguodala (66) $12.2mil, $11.7mil, $11.1mil 2015 Celtics 1st rd. & Mavs 1st rd. 2016 Celtics 2nd rd. 2017 Celtics 1st rd. 2018 Celtics 2nd rd. Celtics Salary pre & post trade: $48.7 - $46.6 (-1.4 mil) Kawhi Leonard (70) $3mil, RFA Marcus Thorton (??) $8.5mil |
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Post by Luke Walton on Jun 28, 2015 9:01:26 GMT -5
I accept.  |
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Post by Keith Van Horn on Jun 28, 2015 12:31:57 GMT -5
I have no idea who is getting moved to which team here.
Can you please just put something like:
Dallas Sends: Player X - Salary (in millions)
Dallas Receives: Player X - Salary
Total Salary Change:
The "Sends" and "receives" for each team is needed in 3 ways, but in just a two way, it is ok to just put Team X Sends: Team Y Sends: Salary Change:
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Post by Keith Van Horn on Jun 28, 2015 12:37:37 GMT -5
I am assuming the Kings send out Kawhi, Dallas sends out Andre, and the Celtics send out Rondo and Thornton?
I do not like this trade for the Kings. I would like to hear from him about why he is sending out his first round pick. I do not think Andre is a good player anymore, and his salary is insane for what he does.
I want to hear from the Kings before making a decision. But I think I would let this one slide. Kawhi is an RFA and Boston won't have his BRs. But without being able to look at Boston's total salaries, I don't know if he will be able to sign Kawhi.
Let's hear more fellas
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 14:20:51 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 14:29:11 GMT -5
Keith Van Horn after the edit I hope you can better understand the 2nd post of the thread entitled *The Small Print*. You can see now that the Kings only move Kawhi & Thorton's expiring in this proposal. In return, Sacramento receives 5 draft picks (3 x 1st rd.) & a starting SF in return. 2015 - Celtics & Mavs 1st rd. picks. 2016 - Celtics 2nd rd. 2017 - Celtics 1st rd. 2018 - Celtics 2nd rd. As for Iggy's contract he is still rated 66 & coming off a Finals MVP performance. (No one's saying he's 2007 Iggy but, he's still a fine player) Also, the Kings are well over the cap now & already an aging team. (Avg. age 30+) By adding two 1st round picks to their own this year this should actually help them a great deal over the next 2/3 seasons. Bird's rights, No Cap Hit for Rookies, Trade Assets, etc.
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Post by Blake Bowman on Jun 28, 2015 16:11:43 GMT -5
I reject, Bill told me YESTERDAY, IN PERSON, "Yeah man, I'm not gonna movee Kawhi." I told him I'd take salary from him for next to nothing. I don't understand what he is doing here, as in, here in D720. If Bill posts a good reason as to why he is doing this I will gladly consider changing my vote, but until I see something, it's a reject.
He also takes on more salary for the off season and hurts his chances to do anything.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 16:22:33 GMT -5
Well, at this point I don't know either? Because, I've got a PM where Frank Reynolds said to me: It's really disappointing because now I look like an asshole. I couldn't just make all this up? Not to mention the Mavs GM who's getting screwed on Bill trying to back out now too. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 16:32:26 GMT -5
Separate of Bill's previous commitment to our deal...
How does the TC account for balance in salary dumping situations like this?
Won't one side almost always be getting a big time advantage?
Millions going out with only tiny deals coming in?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 16:44:22 GMT -5
We knew he took on more salary but, without much room to sign FA's anyway (w/ or without Kawhi) the 3 x 1st round picks this year would be an excellent way to address that problem. They've all got Bird's rights & even if Sac's over the cap they can still be re-signed. Blake Bowman, I know in a perfect world that Sacramento would have drafted to be in a more advantageous cap situation. As it stands though, the Kings need to shed $15.5mil just to sign Kawhi... And, then add to that enough cap space to sign their entire bench / another 5 more players because they'll only have 7 under contract heading into next season. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 16:58:33 GMT -5
Danny, please remove Stan's tag from this post. He is no longer acting as a TC member.
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Post by Blake Bowman on Jun 28, 2015 17:00:46 GMT -5
Separate of Bill's previous commitment to our deal... How does the TC account for balance in salary dumping situations like this? Won't one side almost always be getting a big time advantage? Millions going out with only tiny deals coming in? I take in a 12 Million dollar two year deal or three years whatever and a second or however the deal ends up looking, he gets twelve million this off season, I can flip it when it's an expiring to get more value, it's a cycle. You need to make deals with a plan, and if he shed the money and re-signed Kawhi he could sign five players for the minimum for one season and wait until his cap expands. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 17:21:03 GMT -5
I won't get into the back & forth of the specifics.
(We could do that for days & Bill can negotiate for himself.)
In general though, the Kings are a solid team as it stands.
Granted they're old & expensive but, they're a squad that was drafted to win now.
So, it'll be interesting to see what kind of trades will enable them to remain as competitive as they are now but, still justify dumping $20-something million without taking on a dime in the process...
In the end, I hope Bill will contact myself & Luke of the Mavs to let us both know what he's decided to do here.
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Post by billy on Jun 28, 2015 17:42:15 GMT -5
Well, at this point I don't know either? Because, I've got a PM where Frank Reynolds said to me: It's really disappointing because now I look like an asshole. I couldn't just make all this up? Not to mention the Mavs GM who's getting screwed on Bill trying to back out now too. If someone is getting "screwed" because their trading partner backed out of a trade, then that person was probably raping said partner. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 18:16:31 GMT -5
billy What man? What else can I do here? Try for just a sec to step back & be objective on this one. Drop the *rape* talk & act like a Goddamn Commish! I don't care if you never approve another trade of mine again, but... You've got a GM whose potentially twice committed to a trade & then pulled out! And, somehow you're making me out to be the asshole in all this? Also, why not just let the TC actually do their thing rather than talk shit? This'll be the 2nd time you're torpedoing a deal before it even got started. The 1st when you went behind my back to PM a GM before the deal was ever posted. Not the way people do business. And, now condoning the actions of a GM who's backing out of a deal despite his previous commitment? But, I know your response already to this billy, it's "Because, I can..." And, you're right billy, I can't do a damn thing to stop you. You've got all the power here sir. It dosne't mean this behavior isn't befitting of a someone who we're supposed to look towards to set an example as our leader though. A commissioner should be more concerned with if a man's word means anything around here before worrying about the details of the trade he's left two other GM's holding the bag on. Overall, we all know I'm an opinionated jerk, fine I get that. But, that still doesn't excuse how this deal or the one before was treated. tl;dr Act like a commissioner, let the TC do their job, & if a problem comes up, look to find solutions before taking sides. Post Script. The GM will remain nameless but, he actually commented to me that the Kings were getting TOO much in this deal. So, remember your opinion of a trade's worth isn't the be all & end all sir.
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Post by Frank Reynolds on Jun 28, 2015 18:43:04 GMT -5
I dont have thornton
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 18:49:35 GMT -5
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Post by billy on Jun 28, 2015 18:53:56 GMT -5
billy What man? What else can I do here? Try for just a sec to step back & be objective on this one. Drop the *rape* talk & act like a Goddamn Commish! I don't care if you never approve another trade of mine again, but... You've got a GM whose potentially twice committed to a trade & then pulled out! And, somehow you're making me out to be the asshole in all this? Also, why not just let the TC actually do their thing rather than talk shit? This'll be the 2nd time you're torpedoing a deal before it even got started. The 1st when you went behind my back to PM a GM before the deal was ever posted. Not the way people do business. And, now condoning the actions of a GM who's backing out of a deal despite his previous commitment? But, I know your response already to this billy, it's "Because, I can..." And, you're right billy, I can't do a damn thing to stop you. You've got all the power here sir. It dosne't mean this behavior isn't befitting of a someone who we're supposed to look towards to set an example as our leader though. A commissioner should be more concerned with if a man's word means anything around here before worrying about the details of the trade he's left two other GM's holding the bag on. Overall, we all know I'm an opinionated jerk, fine I get that. But, that still doesn't excuse how this deal or the one before was treated. tl;dr Act like a commissioner, let the TC do their job, & if a problem comes up, look to find solutions before taking sides. Post Script. The GM will remain nameless but, he actually commented to me that the Kings were getting TOO much in this deal. So, remember your opinion of a trade's worth isn't the be all & end all sir. Stop taking an analysis of a trade as a personal attack on the person proposing the trade. I didn't make a vote or say I had a vote or that anything I said was binding am I not allowed to post my opinion of a trade in the goddamn trade thread?! Kindly stop acting like a high school girl please. I'm just pointing out that someone not accepting a trade proposal and changing their mind doesn't screw anyone especially when the person who changed their mind was getting the worse end of the deal. I can post my opinion or comment on any post that is made on this board and so can you so please stop attacking me for sharing my personal opinion of a trade that's posted on my fucking forum. I'm not just a commissioner I'm also a GM, and I can post as a GM and I can post as a commissioner, please stop attacking me constantly, or you're going to have to go sir. |
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Post by billy on Jun 28, 2015 19:12:24 GMT -5
The biggest problem is if I had posted in support of the trade you'd be praising me for airing my opinion. So kindly back off the ad hom, we are all free to post whenever and wherever we want.
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Post by Donald Trump on Jun 28, 2015 19:32:23 GMT -5
what if the mavs move ellis instead of iggy? would that make it better? what do you think guys?
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Post by Donald Trump on Jun 28, 2015 19:35:23 GMT -5
oops sorry hehe i think it wont work because of the salary of rondo
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Post by Reggie Miller on Jun 28, 2015 19:53:24 GMT -5
Before posting a trade make sure that both party agreed to the trade..
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jun 28, 2015 21:33:27 GMT -5
I know Boston and Dallas have both accepted this trade, but I would definitely need to see Bill do it before I took the time to give my decision or my reasoning.
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Post by Blake Bowman on Jun 28, 2015 21:44:43 GMT -5
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Post by billy on Jun 30, 2015 0:03:41 GMT -5
trade not applicable due to kings not having thornton
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 0:19:35 GMT -5
trade not applicable due to kings not having thornton FUCKING LOL |
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