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Post by John Stockton on Mar 27, 2016 17:30:38 GMT -5
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Allan Houston
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Post by Allan Houston on Mar 27, 2016 22:44:43 GMT -5
You posted this in the wrong spot.
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Steve Jobs
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Post by Steve Jobs on Mar 28, 2016 5:15:43 GMT -5
I just want to point out that Allan's system has more or less drawn the cutoff line for 70+ at All-Star caliber players. Derrick Favors is, I suppose, on the verge of that, but among those potential top 25(ish) players, he's definitely right at the tail end. Maybe even more important, when you compare the bigs from this year's All-Stars, every player there is A) better than Favors at what he does best (scoring/rebounding), or B) comparably good at what Favors does best while also wielding far more versatile skill sets than Favors. Aldridge and Pau score and rebound better, Drummond is almost twice the rebounder, Bosh/Horford shoots the three and distribute much better than Favors, and Millsap/AD/Boogie are all "Do It All" type of players. Overall, Favors doesn't compare... favorably... to any of those All-Star caliber bigs.
I feel like 70 is fine for Favors. Any higher and his rating would start to blur the line between him and more effective players, as well as most likely having him start to perform better in the sim than he does in RL.
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Post by Brown Cobb IV on Mar 28, 2016 12:31:34 GMT -5
i agree i think 70 is fine for favors, especially after getting arating boost this year.
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billy
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Post by billy on Mar 29, 2016 16:30:04 GMT -5
Personally, I love Favors. I will vote for a small increase.
All of his counting stats need to be adjusted for Utah's pace. at a league average pace his stats would be eye popping, utah plays so slow
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Steve Jobs
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Post by Steve Jobs on Mar 29, 2016 16:37:22 GMT -5
Personally, I love Favors. I will vote for a small increase. All of his counting stats need to be adjusted for Utah's pace. at a league average pace his stats would be eye popping, utah plays so slow His advanced stats don't agree with that assessment. |
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Post by billy on Mar 29, 2016 16:39:54 GMT -5
Personally, I love Favors. I will vote for a small increase. All of his counting stats need to be adjusted for Utah's pace. at a league average pace his stats would be eye popping, utah plays so slow His advanced stats don't agree with that assessment. What advanced stats do you think show he is poor at anything? You also have to work into who he is often playing with. His rebound percentage is slightly low, but when you're next to gobert you're going to get slightly less rebounds than next to someone else. His Usage to Turnover ratio (my favorite advanced stat) is very very good, especially for his position. His asst% is good, his block% is really good. All I'm saying is Draymond green is a 74. If you swapped Draymond Green and Derrick Favors in real life, I imagine that while Favors wouldn't put up the passing totals, he would be an absolute monster that we would rate what we rated Draymond (75). While Draymond would look pretty damn pedestrian on the Jazz, I would cut his assist total in half if you turn the splash brothers into Trey Burke and Neto. So I'm gonna vote for a small increase. |
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Post by Steve Jobs on Mar 29, 2016 18:13:29 GMT -5
Mainly his rebounding% and points/assists per game as an extension of usage%... The main counting stats (points/rebounds/assists) don't appear to fit a narrative that his counting stats would be "eye-popping" on a different, faster-paced team, or with more possessions per game. Would they be proportionally better adjusted for pace? Of course. But I don't think they would be unreal. Could Favors be comparably good in Draymond's role? I honestly don't think so, but he definitely would still be good. Borderline All-Star, but I can't imagine a situation where I'd vote him a 75 as of today.
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billy
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Post by billy on Mar 29, 2016 18:46:54 GMT -5
Mainly his rebounding% and points/assists per game as an extension of usage%... The main counting stats (points/rebounds/assists) don't appear to fit a narrative that his counting stats would be "eye-popping" on a different, faster-paced team, or with more possessions per game. Would they be proportionally better adjusted for pace? Of course. But I don't think they would be unreal. Could Favors be comparably good in Draymond's role? I honestly don't think so, but he definitely would still be good. Borderline All-Star, but I can't imagine a situation where I'd vote him a 75 as of today. Yeah I'm definitely not advocating 75, just think a point or so maybe. I thought 70 was a bit low last time if he kept up the productionz |
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Post by billy on Apr 17, 2016 15:21:28 GMT -5
Overall: 71
Physical
Height: 89
Strength: 89
Speed: 48
Jumping: 75
Endurance: 90
Shooting
Inside: 90
Dunks/Layups: 95
Free Throws: 35
Two Pointers: 80
Three Pointers: 20
Skill
Blocks: 64
Steals: 35
Dribbling: 68
Passing: 44
Rebounding: 95
Attributes: Di Po R
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