PHI - TOR

[Steph Curry]

Philadelphia 76ers send:

(77) James Harden - $14,693,906 - $15,719,062 - $16,744,218 - $17,769,374
(64) Gorgui Dieng - $1,413,480 - $1,474,440 - $2,348,783 - $3,384,596
2015 1st round
2015 2nd round

Philadelphia 76ers receive:

(71) Klay Thompson - $3,075,880 - $15,501,000 - $16,663,575 - $17,826,150 - $18,988,725
(72) Chris Bosh - $20,644,400 - $22,192,730 - $23,741,060 - $25,289,390 - $26,837,720


Salary Before Thread: $51,088,239
Salary After Thread:$58,701,133

Toronto Raptors send:

(71) Klay Thompson - $3,075,880 - $15,501,000 - $16,663,575 - $17,826,150 - $18,988,725
(72) Chris Bosh - $20,644,400 - $22,192,730 - $23,741,060 - $25,289,390 - $26,837,720

Toronto Raptors receive:

(77) James Harden - $14,693,906 - $15,719,062 - $16,744,218 - $17,769,374
(64) Gorgui Dieng - $1,413,480 - $1,474,440 - $2,348,783 - $3,384,596
2015 1st round
2015 2nd round

Salary Before Thread: $90,694,726
Salary After Thread: %83,081832


I accept this wonderful trade. I am getting my favorite player in the league Klay Thompson and Bosh. :)

[Steve Jobs]

In seriousness, I don't know how I feel about this yet. Seems a tad bit lopsided, but I don't know if I feel like it's enough to say no. I'll wait to see how the other guys feel before I make up my mind.

[Reggie Miller]

I'll make my decision after The Toronto GM accept this

[Steph Curry]

Brian Scalabrine

[Reggie Miller]

76ers will benefit on this one so I must know why the Toronto will do this trade..

[Donald Trump]

i accept. fair trade in my opinion.

[Brian Scalabrine]

Here's why I'm down with this one, folks. So, I've been spending a lot of time trying to clear cap space so that I can sign a marquee free agent this offseason. This is because Bosh and Thompson are obviously pretty good, but those two guys alone as stars, (third guy being Tyson Chandler) aren't going to win a championship. So, I've been trying to clear cap so that I can land another cornerstone to put beside those guys.

Now, this trade. First, Harden. Harden is a top tier player, his talent by far eclipses Thompson/Bosh. He is a level of superstar that I can probably only acquire in this trade. On top of that, looking at the cap hold comparison, (For 15-16, since I'll be signing players this offseason) it's a 20 million dollar difference. Now, yes, I do go from having two stars to one, which isn't great. But the more I look at my ledger, I'm trying to assemble a contender and I have over 20 mil in Chris Bosh. Ultimately, Bosh/Thompson core is not nearly as flexible money wise as a team built around Harden. With just a little more trading, (Gallo, Young) I'll be in the perfect situation: Superstar on longterm, good value contract with a lot of money to spend to put guys around him.

When it comes down to it, rolling with Bosh/Thompson is not bad at all for having picked nearly at the bottom of the draft, but building the team around a top five player makes wayyyyy more sense. Also, I'm giving up a bit, obviously, but it's not like I'm giving up value, really. We're talking about picks 27 and 34 for Harden, the MVP runner up.

I've already been gearing up to be flexible, and this trade lets me shave off a lot of dough that I otherwise would still have (I wasn't planning on trading Bosh) for a better building block.

If you've got specific comments, lemme know.

[billy]

I think Toronto is cleaning up in this trade and it isn't even close. Selling top 5 players for a couple top 30 players is a good way to kill a team over time.

this isn't fantasy where you can have 15 guys on your team contributing only 5 guys play at a time, so the best team is often just who has the best cumulative starters, and dropping one of the only 75+ for a couple guys who have already peaked around 70 is a trade that kind of knocks your ceiling down a bit... Definitely don't understand why Philly is giving away the best player and giving away draft picks...
But I mean it's not a LOLhorrible trade.

[Steve Jobs]

Jun 29, 2015 10:51:00 GMT -5 billy said:

Definitely don't understand why Philly is giving away the best player and giving away draft picks...

That was my opinion on this one, as well. The team offering the best player holds all the leverage. At first glance it might seem like two stars has the better leverage, but Bosh is on a long expensive contract that even the 3-point range he added to his repertoire won't allow him to play through at an elite level (already 31) and Dieng is cheap enough to be a huge steal if his play ever warrants any appreciation in his rating. At that point, you're practically gambling on Klay being better than Harden over time, and wagering significantly better contracts and completely unnecessary draft picks in the process.

I'm gonna reject this one.

[Brian Scalabrine]

One thing to add to the conversation: Klay is probably the second best SG in the game right now, and will totally be due for a rating upgrade next season. Not saying he'll be as highly rated as Harden, but I definitely think it'll go up. Also, Bosh is in line for a big role on a Miami team that is trying to win. We haven't seen much of Bosh since Lebron left, but it seems like with the contract he got that the Heat are looking at him to lead them, and he played pretty damn well this season before the blood clots.

What I'm saying is these guys ratings should go up a bit, AND he gets two stars for five years, that's not a bad return.

[Steve Jobs]

Klay isn't the clear #1 option on his team, so I struggle to see him deserving a significant rating increase based on his play. If Klay is likely to appreciate in value, Harden is every bit as likely. Come three years down the road and Klay's contract demands you pay him more than you'd be paying Harden (outrageous if the ratings gap stays the same). Meanwhile, Bosh is very good and a clear #1 guy on his team, but at 31 his ability to maintain a 70+ rating through the end of his contract isn't extraordinary (and he'll still have to prove to us all that he'll be able to stay on the court for the majority of the season as well - freak injury or not, he just missed about 40 games). Bosh's contract is not optimal - he's making top-10-player kind of money as a not-top-10-player kind of player. Philly could easily just play the patience game here, jettison one bad contract and offer the max to any FA this coming offseason, and be on a better footing than they would be by doing this trade.

I could accept this without the picks, but with them it's too unbalanced for me.

[Deleted]

I for one think salaries should matter in All Trades after the initial draft.

[billy]

Jun 29, 2015 19:41:35 GMT -5 @jwiles2385 said:

I for one think salaries should matter in All Trades after the initial draft.

They already do!

[Deleted]

this isnt even close. raptors are clear winners. even without the picks, i dont like this for the 76ers.

[Steve Jobs]

Jun 29, 2015 20:58:40 GMT -5 @mink2000 said:

this isnt even close. raptors are clear winners. even without the picks, i dont like this for the 76ers.

I agree.  I do think there should definitely be some room for GMs to make bad decisions and for GMs to "win a trade", so in that sense I say that I could accept the trade without the picks.  Not that I like it for Philly in either circumstance, just that if that's the decision they're going to make concerning how/when to move Harden, I wouldn't stand in their way if the other team wasn't taking in way too much for me to feel comfortable with it.

[Reggie Miller]

The 1st rd pick should not be included here... James is at the top right now while Dieng is on his way up.. Thompson is also on his way up while Bosh is failing expectations right now.. The Philadelphia 76ers is giving away too much.. maybe if the 1st rd pick is not included I may reconsider this but for now I reject this

[billy]

3 rejected, moved to rejected trades.

[Brian Scalabrine]

My biggest what if

[Scott Pilgrim]

Apr 6, 2019 15:07:45 GMT -5 Brian Scalabrine said:

My biggest what if

:))