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Post by DJ Jazzy Jeff on Jun 25, 2016 13:18:00 GMT -5
Colin Loftin can u look at the original thread and read the explanations. I dont understand ur brief analysis in comparison to the explanations by the GMs
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Post by Brown Cobb IV on Jun 25, 2016 13:19:00 GMT -5
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Post by Colin Loftin on Jun 25, 2016 13:27:51 GMT -5
Colin Loftin can u look at the original thread and read the explanations. I dont understand ur brief analysis I read the original thread, but I'm not sure what else you want me to say. I think the #2 pick, that's a guy with All-Star potential, is worth more than a bunch of mediocre guys that might not ever be worth starting in the NBA.
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Post by Pete Maravich on Jun 25, 2016 13:42:27 GMT -5
Here is my peace. The atl sac trade was viewed as atl giving up too much. He gave up 4, 8 and three firsts from playoff teams two years from now. Chad ford ranks Capela 5th from his draft. Kaminsky was drafted 9th and was 4th in win shares for rookies. I get 17 which is worth more than any of the 18 1sts. I get 31 which is worth more than the 18 Seattle first. Kyle Anderson is equal to or greater than a 18 late first. These picks are over blown they turn in to actual players. Do I need to list the #2 picks from the last 5 years again?
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Post by Brown Cobb IV on Jun 25, 2016 14:40:40 GMT -5
why not go out on a limb? Thats where the fruit is
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Post by billy on Jun 25, 2016 14:44:31 GMT -5
Here is my peace. The atl sac trade was viewed as atl giving up too much. He gave up 4, 8 and three firsts from playoff teams two years from now. Chad ford ranks Capela 5th from his draft. Kaminsky was drafted 9th and was 4th in win shares for rookies. I get 17 which is worth more than any of the 18 1sts. I get 31 which is worth more than the 18 Seattle first. Kyle Anderson is equal to or greater than a 18 late first. These picks are over blown they turn in to actual players. Do I need to list the #2 picks from the last 5 years again? Capela is the main piece, he might be worth the #4 pick in this years draft, but I certainly wouldn't make that trade. Don't be going and spouting that Kaminsky is somehow a top 4 rookie though; how many double doubles does he have in his career?
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Post by DJ Jazzy Jeff on Jun 25, 2016 14:49:24 GMT -5
Not all players sprout in their first season: CJ Mcollum, Rodney Hood, Rudy Gobert, etc. Frank put up good games and bad games, he is a big part of the Hornets' future and you never know what the next season holds.
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Post by Colin Loftin on Jun 25, 2016 14:55:24 GMT -5
Capela is fine. I like him. But I don't know that he's even top 10 in his draft class. Kaminsky is nowhere near the 4th best rookie
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Post by Pete Maravich on Jun 25, 2016 14:56:04 GMT -5
Here is my peace. The atl sac trade was viewed as atl giving up too much. He gave up 4, 8 and three firsts from playoff teams two years from now. Chad ford ranks Capela 5th from his draft. Kaminsky was drafted 9th and was 4th in win shares for rookies. I get 17 which is worth more than any of the 18 1sts. I get 31 which is worth more than the 18 Seattle first. Kyle Anderson is equal to or greater than a 18 late first. These picks are over blown they turn in to actual players. Do I need to list the #2 picks from the last 5 years again? Capela is the main piece, he might be worth the #4 pick in this years draft, but I certainly wouldn't make that trade. Don't be going and spouting that Kaminsky is somehow a top 4 rookie though; how many double doubles does he have in his career? I only stated facts. He was drafted 9 and had 4th most win shares for rookies.
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Post by Brown Cobb IV on Jun 25, 2016 15:03:00 GMT -5
Capela is the main piece, he might be worth the #4 pick in this years draft, but I certainly wouldn't make that trade. Don't be going and spouting that Kaminsky is somehow a top 4 rookie though; how many double doubles does he have in his career? I only stated facts. He was drafted 9 and had 4th most win shares for rookies. “There is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact.”
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Post by Kong on Jun 25, 2016 15:08:12 GMT -5
"After 10 posts, Lao Tzu will stop being funny just like Kong"
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Post by Brown Cobb IV on Jun 25, 2016 15:56:05 GMT -5
only 7 hours till washingtons time runs out
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Post by DJ Jazzy Jeff on Jun 25, 2016 15:56:18 GMT -5
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Post by Brown Cobb IV on Jun 25, 2016 20:03:13 GMT -5
Pete Maravich you should probably just make your pick, only 3hrs left. you can always edit the trade after
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Post by Pete Maravich on Jun 26, 2016 13:01:34 GMT -5
This still needs a deciding vote. The pick was made with this deal in mind.
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Post by Pete Maravich on Jun 27, 2016 6:33:54 GMT -5
Two top 10 picks alone are worth #2. Enjoy the reading below. A simpler approach then I like to take but it gets the point across. https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/36wv9m/trying_to_create_an_nba_draft_trade_value_chart/ www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=2740
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Post by billy on Jun 27, 2016 6:35:38 GMT -5
Two top 10 picks alone are worth #2. Enjoy the reading below. A simpler approach then I like to take but it gets the point across. https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/36wv9m/trying_to_create_an_nba_draft_trade_value_chart/ www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=2740Oh come on, you can't average a bunch of drafts together from the past 50 years and apply it to one draft. Everyone and their brother knows the huge drop off from 2->3 this year, but it isn't shown in the chart. These types of charts are for people who don't even scout individual players.
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jun 27, 2016 6:49:59 GMT -5
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Post by Pete Maravich on Jun 27, 2016 7:06:57 GMT -5
Two top 10 picks alone are worth #2. Enjoy the reading below. A simpler approach then I like to take but it gets the point across. https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/36wv9m/trying_to_create_an_nba_draft_trade_value_chart/ www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=2740Oh come on, you can't average a bunch of drafts together from the past 50 years and apply it to one draft. Everyone and their brother knows the huge drop off from 2->3 this year, but it isn't shown in the chart. These types of charts are for people who don't even scout individual players. Even if you give Ingram a #1 rating and lowball Capela as a 10, Kaminsky 10, 17, put Anderson at 30, 31 then it is actually a good amount more.
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Post by billy on Jun 27, 2016 7:18:31 GMT -5
Oh come on, you can't average a bunch of drafts together from the past 50 years and apply it to one draft. Everyone and their brother knows the huge drop off from 2->3 this year, but it isn't shown in the chart. These types of charts are for people who don't even scout individual players. Even if you give Ingram a #1 rating and lowball Capela as a 10, Kaminsky 10, 17, put Anderson at 30, 31 then it is actually a good amount more. Yeah, but adding together a bunch of quarters isn't gonna get you a championship team. I think the stat is only 3 teams have ever won a ring without a former, current, or future MVP on their roster (all 3 teams were the Pistons). Ingram has that ability. None of the guys your getting come even close. You're gonna have to play the game another year and hope you win the lottery again etc... It's just bad business, imo.
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Post by Pete Maravich on Jun 27, 2016 7:25:28 GMT -5
Even if you give Ingram a #1 rating and lowball Capela as a 10, Kaminsky 10, 17, put Anderson at 30, 31 then it is actually a good amount more. Yeah, but adding together a bunch of quarters isn't gonna get you a championship team. I think the stat is only 3 teams have ever won a ring without a former, current, or future MVP on their roster (all 3 teams were the Pistons). Ingram has that ability. None of the guys your getting come even close. You're gonna have to play the game another year and hope you win the lottery again etc... It's just bad business, imo. I disagree with that philosophy. You think the Warriors thought future mvp when they drafted steph or the Spurs when they drafted kawhi? Take the best players and move on. The 31st player could be better than all of them. You play the averages. I'd rather be in the Celtics position than the 76ers.
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Post by billy on Jun 27, 2016 7:27:19 GMT -5
Yeah, but adding together a bunch of quarters isn't gonna get you a championship team. I think the stat is only 3 teams have ever won a ring without a former, current, or future MVP on their roster (all 3 teams were the Pistons). Ingram has that ability. None of the guys your getting come even close. You're gonna have to play the game another year and hope you win the lottery again etc... It's just bad business, imo. I disagree with that philosophy. You think the Warriors thought future mvp when they drafted steph or the Spurs when they drafted kawhi? Take the best players and move on. The 31st player could be better than all of them. You play the averages. I'd rather be in the Celtics position than the 76ers. The Celtics took the guy with MVP potential and didn't trade him for a bunch of guys with role player ceilings.
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Post by DJ Jazzy Jeff on Jun 27, 2016 7:36:14 GMT -5
how are you so sure of these player's ceilings
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Post by billy on Jun 27, 2016 7:44:11 GMT -5
how are you so sure of these player's ceilings I try to vote as a TC member based on market value and consensus views on players.
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Post by Pete Maravich on Jun 27, 2016 8:11:35 GMT -5
The Celtics roster is a BIT more advanced & deep than mine. They built their depth before targeting a star.
Kaminsky has a low ceiling high floor and i project to be a $10M-$12M player under team control for probably 6 or 7 years. Capela is one of the rawest guys in his draft who made some serious progress last year at 21 & projected to start next year at 22 yet he has a role player ceiling? I targeted these guys because I like them more than the general consensus. It is just coming back to bite me now.
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Post by billy on Jun 27, 2016 8:36:14 GMT -5
The Celtics roster is a BIT more advanced & deep than mine. They built their depth before targeting a star. Kaminsky has a low ceiling high floor and i project to be a $10M-$12M player under team control for probably 6 or 7 years. Capela is one of the rawest guys in his draft who made some serious progress last year at 21 & projected to start next year at 22 yet he has a role player ceiling? I targeted these guys because I like them more than the general consensus. It is just coming back to bite me now. BOS was lucky though, they had the Brooklynn pick to get that possible star. If you try to build depth before getting a star you're just going to have a much harder time trying to get a star in the late lottery.
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Post by Pete Maravich on Jun 27, 2016 8:57:13 GMT -5
That is true. I have to admit though, I would rather try to win w/ an eye on the future & find diamonds in the rough than tank for multiple seasons. It may put me in playoff/lottery purgatory but it is my will.
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Post by Brown Cobb IV on Jun 27, 2016 9:30:45 GMT -5
soo brian scalabrine has been on a couple times....
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Post by Brown Cobb IV on Jun 27, 2016 9:44:31 GMT -5
looks like we are headed for the league wide vote
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Post by DJ Jazzy Jeff on Jun 27, 2016 9:59:13 GMT -5
This is some horse do-do
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