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Post by Steve Jobs on Jan 18, 2019 6:50:15 GMT -5
He also was too stubborn to make things work with Rondo and this whole conversation started cause he couldn’t get the most out of his most recent PG lottery pick. He’s a decent offensive coach, but he’s certainly not the PG whisperer. Why cant it be Rondo was to stubburn as he wanted to change the coaches plays and thats what led to what happened. And the DSJ situation ia about DSJ Ego , he doent want to take a back seat to Luka. It was his team last year at pg but since Luka is the better playmaker he's had to play off ball now and he doesnt like it, sounds like a immature young PG, Or Carlisle asked him to come off the bench since Barea got hurt and hes not having it , rather be traded. Reports show its his agent and DSJ requesting for the trade. LOL. Cause we’re not talking about Rondo or DSJ as the best PG or anything. They’re both just solid point guards that Carlisle couldn’t figure out how to coach. Big egos or not, if you want to call a guy a point guard whisperer, he’d better ACTUALLY be getting the best out of every point guard that comes under his tutelage. He’s nowhere near that. Not to mention, every one of the point guards listed above was as good or better somewhere else before and/or after their stint in Dallas. |
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Post by Scott Pilgrim on Jan 18, 2019 6:51:48 GMT -5
He managed to get Felton, Barea, Williams, Harris, Ferrell, Calderon to play quality minutes when they were past their prime/just coming into the league. He also was too stubborn to make things work with Rondo and this whole conversation started cause he couldn’t get the most out of his most recent PG lottery pick. He’s a decent offensive coach, but he’s certainly not the PG whisperer. Rondo made the mess himself, absolute unprofessional... quitting on the team in a play-off series. Mavs were 19-8 when they made the celtics trade and were the #1 offence in the NBA, with Rondo they finished the remainder of the season 31-24. I don't like the DSJ situation either, this dude think he can get superstar treatment and sit out games/avoid practise because of the trade talks. Him refusing to play, is only screwing him and us by tanking his trade value, we're probably only going to get old role players from a trade for him now, which isn't great for a team that should be trying to add young pieces along Doncic. |
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Post by Penny Hardaway on Jan 18, 2019 6:56:27 GMT -5
Why cant it be Rondo was to stubburn as he wanted to change the coaches plays and thats what led to what happened. And the DSJ situation ia about DSJ Ego , he doent want to take a back seat to Luka. It was his team last year at pg but since Luka is the better playmaker he's had to play off ball now and he doesnt like it, sounds like a immature young PG, Or Carlisle asked him to come off the bench since Barea got hurt and hes not having it , rather be traded. Reports show its his agent and DSJ requesting for the trade. LOL. Cause we’re not talking about Rondo or DSJ as the best PG or anything. They’re both just solid point guards that Carlisle couldn’t figure out how to coach. Big egos or not, if you want to call a guy a point guard whisperer, he’d better ACTUALLY be getting the best out of every point guard that comes under his tutelage. He’s nowhere near that. Not to mention, every one of the point guards listed above was as good or better somewhere else before and/or after their stint in Dallas. Nobody Can get the best out of a stubburn ass no matter who you are you can't control someone that refuses to play or listen to how you want to coach them. Obviously it didnt work because both didnt wamt to listen to Carlisle simple as that, thats on them and no man can make another man perform his best thats why there is scouting reports on difficult players. |
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Post by billy on Jan 18, 2019 10:00:06 GMT -5
Even HOF level coaches lose locker rooms and individual players at times. A lot of these dudes are complete boneheads.
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jan 18, 2019 20:41:28 GMT -5
You guys are missing the point... my issue isn’t that Rondo or DSJ is amazing and Carlisle is failing with them, it’s just purely that calling Carlisle a point guard whisperer is absolutely no where near true. I like the Mavs and stillthink Carlisle was a bigger issue with Rondo than vice versa, but regardless of where you land on the spectrum, Carlisle has never been known for his proclivity to churn out star PGs. Among the many the HAVE, D’Antoni is still current coaching in the league, was pretty much solely responsible for Jeremy Lin, and is coaching the reigning MVP who reinvented himself as arguably the best PG in the league under Pringle’s system.
Calling Carlisle a point guard whisperer when someone like D’Antoni actually fits that Bill is just irresponsible.
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Post by Penny Hardaway on Jan 18, 2019 22:26:13 GMT -5
You guys are missing the point... my issue isn’t that Rondo or DSJ is amazing and Carlisle is failing with them, it’s just purely that calling Carlisle a point guard whisperer is absolutely no where near true. I like the Mavs and stillthink Carlisle was a bigger issue with Rondo than vice versa, but regardless of where you land on the spectrum, Carlisle has never been known for his proclivity to churn out star PGs. Among the many the HAVE, D’Antoni is still current coaching in the league, was pretty much solely responsible for Jeremy Lin, and is coaching the reigning MVP who reinvented himself as arguably the best PG in the league under Pringle’s system. Calling Carlisle a point guard whisperer when someone like D’Antoni actually fits that Bill is just irresponsible. Had a legnthy reply but figured you know what stats speak for themselves and Clearly Hardens success isnt a product of D Antoni. Harden was putting up 25/5/5 since 2012 yes he got little better since then but thats more to do with teammates and the style of NBA now which fits D antoni's style, where its shoot, shoot ,shoot play D last 5 mins and dont breathe on Harden or its a foul. Anyway I'll just post both the nba coaching careers and show stats of Pg's they both actually had a hand in improving whether coming off declining years , or being good and then once leaving there team declined. We can see who has had more success with PG's even though i dont think either is a pg whisper but sure think Carlisle is closer then D Toni. |
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jan 19, 2019 12:44:06 GMT -5
You guys are missing the point... my issue isn’t that Rondo or DSJ is amazing and Carlisle is failing with them, it’s just purely that calling Carlisle a point guard whisperer is absolutely no where near true. I like the Mavs and stillthink Carlisle was a bigger issue with Rondo than vice versa, but regardless of where you land on the spectrum, Carlisle has never been known for his proclivity to churn out star PGs. Among the many the HAVE, D’Antoni is still current coaching in the league, was pretty much solely responsible for Jeremy Lin, and is coaching the reigning MVP who reinvented himself as arguably the best PG in the league under Pringle’s system. Calling Carlisle a point guard whisperer when someone like D’Antoni actually fits that Bill is just irresponsible. Had a legnthy reply but figured you know what stats speak for themselves and Clearly Hardens success isnt a product of D Antoni. Harden was putting up 25/5/5 since 2012 yes he got little better since then but thats more to do with teammates and the style of NBA now which fits D antoni's style, where its shoot, shoot ,shoot play D last 5 mins and dont breathe on Harden or its a foul. Anyway I'll just post both the nba coaching careers and show stats of Pg's they both actually had a hand in improving whether coming off declining years , or being good and then once leaving there team declined. We can see who has had more success with PG's even though i dont think either is a pg whisper but sure think Carlisle is closer then D Toni. No offense, but there is no defensible argument for Carlisle as a better PG coach than D’Antoni so don’t waste your time. |
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Post by Scott Pilgrim on Jan 22, 2019 21:12:17 GMT -5
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Post by billy on Jan 27, 2019 21:59:30 GMT -5
i wonder if muggsy bogues is the best basketball player per inch
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Post by billy on Jan 27, 2019 22:22:50 GMT -5
A: No. This is the top 25 in winshares/inch Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 3.179186047
Wilt Chamberlain 2.908941176
Karl Malone 2.896666667
John Stockton* 2.845205479
LeBron James 2.802375
Michael Jordan 2.743846154
Tim Duncan 2.486506024
Oscar Robertson* 2.457272727
Dirk Nowitzki 2.451904762
Julius Erving* 2.321923077
Chris Paul 2.319722222
Kevin Garnett 2.30626506
Charles Barkley* 2.271923077
Kobe Bryant 2.214615385
Reggie Miller* 2.207594937
Artis Gilmore* 2.205232558
Jerry West* 2.197027027
Moses Malone* 2.184756098
Shaquille O'Neal* 2.137764706
David Robinson* 2.102
Bill Russell* 1.99402439
Dan Issel* 1.948395062
Magic Johnson* 1.947375
Hakeem Olajuwon* 1.937738095
Paul Pierce 1.923589744Muggsy couldn't even break 1 winshare per inch  |
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Post by Jackie Kong on Jan 27, 2019 22:27:07 GMT -5
This discussion is destined to move towards weird territory.  |
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Post by Yeezy on Jan 31, 2019 15:46:00 GMT -5
Kristaps and THJ for DSJ and Wes??
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Post by Scott Pilgrim on Jan 31, 2019 16:01:42 GMT -5
Kristaps and THJ for DSJ and Wes?? If the Knicks were ever to do this, I’m sure their GM/president would be locked up in a mental institution. i think if they were to accept Porzingis’s trade request he would be gone to NOP for Davis. |
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Post by Yeezy on Jan 31, 2019 16:03:53 GMT -5
Trade has been agreed upon
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/alu2ds/wojnarowski_new_york_has_agreed_with_dallas_on/
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Post by Nino Brown on Jan 31, 2019 16:06:23 GMT -5
Kristaps and THJ for DSJ and Wes?? If the Knicks were ever to do this, I’m sure their GM/president would be locked up in a mental institution. i think if they were to accept Porzingis’s trade request he would be gone to NOP for Davis. Welp |
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Post by Scott Pilgrim on Jan 31, 2019 16:06:45 GMT -5
New York has agreed with Dallas on trade that includes Kristaps Porzingis, Courtney Lee, Tim Hardaway Jr., for Wesley Matthews, Dennis Smith Jr. and DeAndre Jordan, league sources tell ESPN. Players and agents are being notified of particulars. Deal may include more draft assets.
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Post by Paul Pierce on Jan 31, 2019 16:08:45 GMT -5
Cuban is a goat
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jan 31, 2019 17:01:52 GMT -5
New York has agreed with Dallas on trade that includes Kristaps Porzingis, Courtney Lee, Tim Hardaway Jr., for Wesley Matthews, Dennis Smith Jr. and DeAndre Jordan, league sources tell ESPN. Players and agents are being notified of particulars. Deal may include more draft assets. Hsnajxbdjsnsjsbjsnsjznznznsn 😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁 Reject |
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Post by Stuff The Magic Dragon on Jan 31, 2019 17:03:18 GMT -5
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Post by Penny Hardaway on Jan 31, 2019 18:41:29 GMT -5
Omfg Doncic and Porzingis , we need to tank for Zion now and rebuild is complete. Well long as porzingis stays healthy.
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Post by Jackie Kong on Jan 31, 2019 19:05:22 GMT -5
I actually talked to Theodore Duncan the other day about Porzingis. You got to wonder if Knicks really wanted to pay big time a player returning from an ACL who hasn't played for a year and a half (assuming he doesn't return this season) even if his name is Porzingis. Plus, Kristaps is 7' 3". Injuries hit those players the double some times if you know what I mean. |
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Post by Allan Houston on Jan 31, 2019 19:09:22 GMT -5
Apparently, KP is taking the QO this off-season. Which is crazy, but if he told the Knicks that, makes the trade a bit more reasonable
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Post by Jackie Kong on Jan 31, 2019 19:21:45 GMT -5
Apparently, KP is taking the QO this off-season. compared to what though? Given his status really wonder he would pass on a large max contract. Then again, you got to wonder if it will be on the table. After all, Knicks were not willing sign him to an extension. To free up cap space for next off-season? Maybe but no everyone agree that was the reason he didn't receive the extension. |
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Post by Allan Houston on Jan 31, 2019 19:30:10 GMT -5
Yea, the Knicks' plan, even with KP, was to get max space (by getting off THJ, Lee). That's why they didn't extend him. Or at least the story they're telling.
Whatever contract or offer sheet he would sign is certainly MUCH more valuable than the QO. I would still think it'd be a max.
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Post by Jackie Kong on Feb 1, 2019 2:09:45 GMT -5
I think they are hiding the Batcave inside the Spurs stadium.
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Post by Scott Pilgrim on Feb 1, 2019 2:46:30 GMT -5
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Post by Theodore Duncan on Feb 1, 2019 2:52:26 GMT -5
I think KP is still max player easily. He was blocking and affecting shots with just the length alone. And pick and pop with his high release and quick shot will be hard to stop even if he played half of the speed.
Really bad management from Knicks if they couldn't explain to him that not giving an extension is better so they can keep max space to sign KD or someone else. Maybe it's just such a mess behind the scenes that he wants out no matter what.
Also pretty sure KD would rather come to play next to established player like Porzingis rather than some potential with DSJ. Also fit with Kyrie.. meh.
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Post by Scott Pilgrim on Feb 1, 2019 3:45:27 GMT -5
I think KP is still max player easily. He was blocking and affecting shots with just the length alone. And pick and pop with his high release and quick shot will be hard to stop even if he played half of the speed. Really bad management from Knicks if they couldn't explain to him that not giving an extension is better so they can keep max space to sign KD or someone else. Maybe it's just such a mess behind the scenes that he wants out no matter what. Also pretty sure KD would rather come to play next to established player like Porzingis rather than some potential with DSJ. Also fit with Kyrie.. meh. Only scenario where I think Kyrie + Durant might happen is if NOP hold off onto the off-season for a Davis trade. If the draft lottery favours NYK and grants them the #1 pick in Zion, you could do a package of Zion+Knox+Robinson+Trier+Mavs 1st for Davis, with that... Durant and Kyrie would definitely team up there, but that's with a whole bunch of hypotheticals. You gotta look back to the summer of Lebron, the Knicks were talking themselves up as a potential spot for a Lebron/Wade/Bosh but ended up with old Amare Stoudamire who eventually broke down with injuries. It's gonna be the same in 2019. |
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Post by Nino Brown on Feb 1, 2019 6:30:29 GMT -5
I think KP is still max player easily. He was blocking and affecting shots with just the length alone. And pick and pop with his high release and quick shot will be hard to stop even if he played half of the speed. Really bad management from Knicks if they couldn't explain to him that not giving an extension is better so they can keep max space to sign KD or someone else. Maybe it's just such a mess behind the scenes that he wants out no matter what. Also pretty sure KD would rather come to play next to established player like Porzingis rather than some potential with DSJ. Also fit with Kyrie.. meh. This! You don’t trade KP for cap room, when they could’ve traded everyone else. KP tried to force a trade during the Phil era, so I guess his intention was to never be on the Knicks long term. To me this trade has potential to be a complete wash for both sides, but knowing the Knicks, they’ll end up with Tobias Harris and Kemba Walker this summer instead of KD and Kyrie. |
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Post by Stuff The Magic Dragon on Feb 1, 2019 8:09:01 GMT -5
I think KP is still max player easily. He was blocking and affecting shots with just the length alone. And pick and pop with his high release and quick shot will be hard to stop even if he played half of the speed. Really bad management from Knicks if they couldn't explain to him that not giving an extension is better so they can keep max space to sign KD or someone else. Maybe it's just such a mess behind the scenes that he wants out no matter what. Also pretty sure KD would rather come to play next to established player like Porzingis rather than some potential with DSJ. Also fit with Kyrie.. meh. This! You don’t trade KP for cap room, when they could’ve traded everyone else. KP tried to force a trade during the Phil era, so I guess his intention was to never be on the Knicks long term. To me this trade has potential to be a complete wash for both sides, but knowing the Knicks, they’ll end up with Tobias Harris and Kemba Walker this summer instead of KD and Kyrie. the Knicks has no intention of signing him to a max contract, if I'm KP, I'd be sour too |
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