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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 0:20:02 GMT -5
Washington Wizards trade:
C Cody Zeller $4,030,560 $4,204,200 $5,318,313 $7,014,855
PG Shaun Livingston $5,305,000 $5,543,725 $5,782,450
$4.0M+$5.3M=
$9.3M
Before: $91,929,913
After: $91,844,353
Seattle Supersonics trade:
FC Tiago Splitter $9,250,000 $8,500,000 $8,250,000
'15 1st Sea
'15 2nd Sea
$9.25M
Before: $62,555,337
After: $62,640,897
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 0:34:13 GMT -5
I accept this trade. I'm willing to giving up a starting center and draft picks in order to acquire a younger player in Zeller. Gheorghe Mureșan traded Marc Gasol to acquire Cody Zeller prior to this trade, and this deal makes sense along the lines of the Washington Wizard's plan of rebuilding. |
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Post by billy on Jul 3, 2015 12:39:14 GMT -5
I'll accept this trade it's good for both teams going down slightly different paths.
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jul 3, 2015 20:27:53 GMT -5
I don't really like this trade.
The Wizards already have two better (albeit overpaid and injury prone) Centers on their roster in Nene and Varejao, as well as two better Power Forwards in Young and Frye. Splitter's skill set is certainly an interesting addition to any team, but Zeller is 22, cheap, and already rated at 60 which is a virtual guarantee to rise in coming years.
Consider then that Splitter is the oldest player involved in this trade, and wouldn't even be worth a starting spot on the Wizard's team. On top of all this, with LeBron leading a stacked starting line up, and the Sonics set to acquire good talent and easy depth for the price of a 30-year old Splitter, the first and 2nd round pick that the Wiz are receiving are most likely to be in the bottom 10 picks of each round. If the Wiz were getting rid of old players or undesirable contracts here, I could see the benefit of this trade for them, but as it stands the assets they're acquiring don't make them better now, won't make them better in the future, and don't save them any significant money. I'll let other TC members chime in before I make a firm decision, but right now I'm leaning heavily towards rejecting.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 21:04:45 GMT -5
I don't really like this trade. The Wizards already have two better (albeit overpaid and injury prone) Centers on their roster in Nene and Varejao, as well as two better Power Forwards in Young and Frye. I think this is a good reason behind why the Wizards accepted this trade. They have good depth everywhere and will have a better chance of competing this year with a more experienced presence on the court while also acquiring picks in a deep draft. Nene also started every game he played this year at the PF spot not center. |
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jul 3, 2015 21:26:09 GMT -5
I don't really like this trade. The Wizards already have two better (albeit overpaid and injury prone) Centers on their roster in Nene and Varejao, as well as two better Power Forwards in Young and Frye. I think this is a good reason behind why the Wizards accepted this trade. They have good depth everywhere and will have a better chance of competing this year with a more experienced presence on the court while also acquiring picks in a deep draft. Nene also started every game he played this year at the PF spot not center. That's bogus. Holding onto a young, talented, cheap player when your current roster is already built to compete holds virtually no consequences - the difference between what Splitter brings to the team at his age and what Zeller brings to the team at his age will be negligible. If Splitter was an improvement over either Nene or Varejao and could be plugged into the starting line up, this trade would make sense. But in the sim, depth makes a huge difference, and in any form of basketball youth and inexpensive contracts make a difference. The Wiz don't immediately gain youth, experience, talent, or cap space from this trade, and the picks they're getting, even in a deep draft, aren't worth enough for me to feel comfortable saying yes. |
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jul 3, 2015 21:31:10 GMT -5
Nene also started every game he played this year at the PF spot not center. Irrelevant to the point I was making. The only PF in that group that can't also play center is Thad. I used the examples I did because I went off of the league's Roster page which has Nene and Varejao as FC's while Young and Frye are just listed as PFs. If this point affected the trade at all, it would be different, but this is just argument for the sake of argument. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 3:07:17 GMT -5
Look, I agree with you that holding onto youth is important. But you're making it out to be like he is giving up Vucevic... it's freakin Zeller. Hornets also drafted a Center that has potential to contribute with his offense in Kaminsky this draft, which screams the confidence that the Hornets have in Zeller.
If the contributions each player would bring to their teams are negligible as you say (which they are not), then this trade boils down to Wizards taking both my picks this year while not sacrificing a run at for the championship.
However, if you feel that the two picks are not enough compensation for the swap bw the two players, then that is of course your prerogative and I don't think there is much I could say to change your mind. Draft picks are assets that can have a huge variance in value to each GM and I personally feel this is a fair trade. But then again, situations like these are exactly why we have multiple TC members.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 3:15:54 GMT -5
Irrelevant to the point I was making...this is just argument for the sake of argument. i feel like ive been caught with my hand in the cookie jar lol |
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Post by Gheorghe Mureșan on Jul 4, 2015 3:29:32 GMT -5
I accept. I need a polished backup Center. Young can play SF and Nene is a PF/C irl. Honestly, I don't believe on Cody's potential that's why I traded him. Livingston is a good player but his value for me isn't that great. About the injury irl, it is very different in SIM as we know it. Like I said, I'm not a believer in Cody's potential.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 6:42:52 GMT -5
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jul 4, 2015 9:03:08 GMT -5
If the contributions each player would bring to their teams are negligible as you say (which they are not), then this trade boils down to Wizards taking both my picks this year while not sacrificing a run at for the championship. You misunderstand me here. The DIFFERENCE in contributions between Zeller and Splitter would be negligible, but they both will certainly contribute a good amount to their teams. Problem is, Zeller is young enough to improve (not drastically, but maybe like a 65) while Splitter is past his prime and he'll be losing stock if his rating goes anywhere. And he's giving up a young asset, AND depth (which hurts his championship chances in and of itself) for a Center that doesn't improve his team. The Wizards would have to strike gold twice in the 2015 rookie draft for this to come out in their favor, yet they are the ones giving up the more valuable players, and I feel like their championship chances take a step back. I guess this also boils down to wondering why the hell the Wizards sold Marc Gasol for dimes on the dollar if he didn't think Cody Zeller had enough potential to want him over Splitter and some low picks. This is two trades in a row that WAS has settled for the lesser deal in a trade and it's leaving me wondering if he even has a strategy. lol. But by all means, don't consider me passionately arguing here as me trying to be unreasonable. As a guy that is super glad to have been added to the TC for the year, my main concern will always be trying to do the best job I can to keep trades within the realms of fairness for both sides, and I do think this trade isn't too far off from that. Hell, if the other TC guys disagree with me, there is still every chance in the world this passes and none of what I said will matter. But as is, I just personally don't like it. |
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Post by Donald Trump on Jul 4, 2015 9:26:02 GMT -5
I accept. Livingston was a semi filler for salary and zeller is unpredictable while splitter is proven. hehe
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 9:31:24 GMT -5
But by all means, don't consider me passionately arguing here as me trying to be unreasonable. Hey, I could never take passion as a bad thing. I hope I did not come off overly defensive or was out of line in any way. That was not my intention. I understand where you are coming from and your points, and I respect to your input regardless of whether I agree or not. Keep doing what you're doing, man. I think you've done a wonderful job on the TC thus far. People disagree all the time. That's human nature and also why we have multiple TC members :) |
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Post by Blake Bowman on Jul 4, 2015 13:09:46 GMT -5
I'll accept, I think Zeller is aight, Idk why anyone would want Tiago Shitter, but the first is something I guess.
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Post by Reggie Miller on Jul 4, 2015 14:09:52 GMT -5
Zeller is still improving and have a great potential while livingston is there to match salaries.. Splitter is not uet good enough though he is a descent defender but I think zleer is mich better than Splitter that is why a first round draft is included.. I accept..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 14:19:42 GMT -5
4 accept votes from Reggie, AJ, Blake and billy. Thank you everyone!!! |
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Post by billy on Jul 7, 2015 14:48:30 GMT -5
Trade processed please update depth and salary charts.
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