Pete Maravich
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Post by Pete Maravich on Jul 8, 2016 18:12:53 GMT -5
BOS sends: Tyson Chandler (64) - $19,250,000 - $21,000,000 - $22,750,000 - $24,500,000Alexis Ajinca (dead money contract) - $1,3750,000 - $1,500,000 - $1,625,000
2017 BOS 1st 2020 BOS 1st WAS sends: Cole Aldrich (58) - $800,000 I accept. Chandler is a sure thing to accept both options which is $60+m to eat over 3 years. Having him may put me in a worse situation for my '17 pick but I think it is worth it to add the additional picks. Red Auerbach
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Red Auerbach
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Jul 8, 2016 18:20:30 GMT -5
Post by Red Auerbach on Jul 8, 2016 18:20:30 GMT -5
I hate to give up the two first round picks. I have bigger plans, though. Chandler's salary really puts a hendrance on those plans. I also get to trsde Ajinca's dead money salary. Aldrich can come in and play as a big man off the bench.
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Pete Maravich
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Jul 8, 2016 18:27:47 GMT -5
Post by Pete Maravich on Jul 8, 2016 18:27:47 GMT -5
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Post by John Stockton on Jul 8, 2016 18:31:15 GMT -5
not sure why Boston has to pay 2 firsts to get rid of Tyson. I've seen worse contracts unloaded for less.
Not rejecting yet, just curious if Boston did their due diligence in trying to find a better deal than this.
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Post by John Stockton on Jul 8, 2016 18:42:37 GMT -5
Also this trade is illegal because Boston doesn't own their 2018 first round pick
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Pete Maravich
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Jul 8, 2016 18:44:39 GMT -5
Post by Pete Maravich on Jul 8, 2016 18:44:39 GMT -5
They have LAC '17 1st.
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Jul 8, 2016 18:46:10 GMT -5
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Post by John Stockton on Jul 8, 2016 18:46:10 GMT -5
doesn't matter. you cant trade consecutive 1st rnd picks
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Pete Maravich
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Post by Pete Maravich on Jul 8, 2016 18:47:47 GMT -5
See below from cbafaq.com regarding the Stepien rule.
Teams are required to have only a first round pick, and not necessarily their own first round pick. Teams may trade away their own future picks in consecutive years if they have another team's first round pick in one of those years.
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Jul 8, 2016 18:50:18 GMT -5
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Post by John Stockton on Jul 8, 2016 18:50:18 GMT -5
yeah i dont think that's how it works in here. i could be wrong tho. billy
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billy
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Post by billy on Jul 8, 2016 18:53:14 GMT -5
The way we do it here is it has to be your own pick. Red knows why more than anyone.
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Pete Maravich
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Jul 8, 2016 18:57:50 GMT -5
Post by Pete Maravich on Jul 8, 2016 18:57:50 GMT -5
Can we adjust this thread since no one has voted yet?
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Allan Houston
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Jul 8, 2016 18:59:17 GMT -5
Post by Allan Houston on Jul 8, 2016 18:59:17 GMT -5
TIL. May I ask why?
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Pete Maravich
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Jul 8, 2016 19:01:09 GMT -5
Post by Pete Maravich on Jul 8, 2016 19:01:09 GMT -5
Thumbs up the reddit reference says the old guy.
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Red Auerbach
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Jul 8, 2016 19:33:29 GMT -5
Post by Red Auerbach on Jul 8, 2016 19:33:29 GMT -5
John, I do think the 2 picks is a bit steep.
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Jul 8, 2016 19:36:22 GMT -5
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Post by John Stockton on Jul 8, 2016 19:36:22 GMT -5
because it sort of acts as a failsafe mechanism to prevent a GM from completely destroying a team
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Red Auerbach
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Jul 8, 2016 19:52:09 GMT -5
Post by Red Auerbach on Jul 8, 2016 19:52:09 GMT -5
So, this is a no go?
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Post by John Stockton on Jul 8, 2016 19:57:24 GMT -5
Yes
Pretty sure it would've been rejected anyway.
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Allan Houston
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Jul 8, 2016 20:05:17 GMT -5
Post by Allan Houston on Jul 8, 2016 20:05:17 GMT -5
because it sort of acts as a failsafe mechanism to prevent a GM from completely destroying a team That's what the Stepien rule does. Is there a specific reason we take it a step further?
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Post by John Stockton on Jul 8, 2016 20:17:17 GMT -5
because it sort of acts as a failsafe mechanism to prevent a GM from completely destroying a team That's what the Stepien rule does. Is there a specific reason we take it a step further? having your own pick means a lot more than having someone else's. this trade is a perfect example. boston loses 3 out of next 5 first round picks if this trade passes. if they lose westbrook next year, they will have no team and no picks. he couldn't even tank if he wanted to. your own picks are just more valuable because it gives you options in the future.
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billy
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Post by billy on Jul 8, 2016 20:19:02 GMT -5
There's nothing worse than taking a team that's been ran into the ground that doesn't even have their own pick.
Owning your own pick in a trash team gives people some incentive to own a crap team.
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Kong
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Post by Kong on Jul 8, 2016 20:22:01 GMT -5
Own picks mean a lot more for rebuilding teams in sim leagues than in real life.
In real life, a bad team can give young players minutes in order to develop or showcase their potential.
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Red Auerbach
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Post by Red Auerbach on Jul 8, 2016 20:31:46 GMT -5
Are we equating me to a bad team? ; )
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Jul 8, 2016 20:37:01 GMT -5
Post by John Stockton on Jul 8, 2016 20:37:01 GMT -5
honestly, if your team loses westbrook, it could be bad. your team did not live up to expectations last year, albeit mostly due to injuries, and i could see RW walking if you dont make a good playoff push this year.
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Jul 8, 2016 20:45:25 GMT -5
Post by Kong on Jul 8, 2016 20:45:25 GMT -5
Are we equating me to a bad team? ; ) Not at all. Just putting sense into the consecutive years rule.
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Allan Houston
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Jul 8, 2016 22:19:54 GMT -5
Post by Allan Houston on Jul 8, 2016 22:19:54 GMT -5
To reply to John and Billy, owning your own pick goes both ways. It's extra valuable for a tanking team, and extra invaluable (you know what I mean) for competing teams.
According to the current rule, this trade would go through if, instead of the '17 BOS pick, it was the '17 LAC pick? But Boston plans on competing next year, and they will with a core of Westbrook, Wade, Millsap, IT, and Dirk, plus max space moving Tyson. LAC has Steph, so will be good too, but obviously Boston thinks they'll finish better than LAC next season, and they certainly will attempt to be, and all that's reasonable.
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Allan Houston
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Post by Allan Houston on Jul 9, 2016 0:31:27 GMT -5
In other words, it seems like we have a rule that dictates that, in some cases, a GM would be better off giving up, what they would perceive as, more value in trade. That seems wrong.
With a trade committee, we can judge each trade case by case, without a strict(er) rule about how you deal with your picks. There may be some cases where trading your own consecutive drafts picks is a bad idea, a la Ted Stepien. There may be cases where it's fine. We have a trade committee to make that differentiation.
The real life NBA doesn't have a trade committee, hence the Stepien rule. Trades can't be vetoed (unless the league owns the team). With our trade committee, we don't need that strict rule, let alone a stricter one.
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billy
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Post by billy on Jul 9, 2016 7:07:45 GMT -5
In other words, it seems like we have a rule that dictates that, in some cases, a GM would be better off giving up, what they would perceive as, more value in trade. That seems wrong. With a trade committee, we can judge each trade case by case, without a strict(er) rule about how you deal with your picks. There may be some cases where trading your own consecutive drafts picks is a bad idea, a la Ted Stepien. There may be cases where it's fine. We have a trade committee to make that differentiation. The real life NBA doesn't have a trade committee, hence the Stepien rule. Trades can't be vetoed (unless the league owns the team). With our trade committee, we don't need that strict rule, let alone a stricter one. Boston had a core almost exactly like his right now and finished 9th last season.
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Jul 9, 2016 10:22:54 GMT -5
Post by Baron Davis on Jul 9, 2016 10:22:54 GMT -5
Yeah, but if the threshold is "you have to have a sure top 4 team even with injuries" then you get the situation where you are incentivizing a two tier league where half the league is tanking and you have to go 48-34 to even make the playoffs.
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Allan Houston
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Jul 9, 2016 10:33:40 GMT -5
Post by Allan Houston on Jul 9, 2016 10:33:40 GMT -5
9th seems close enough that, with a few changes, it's reasonable to be optimistic about your team.
Regardless, my point is the TC can evaluate the quality of picks and make the decision case by case. There's no need to have a hard and firm rule.
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