BOS-WAS

[Pete Maravich]

BOS sends:

Tyson Chandler (64) - $19,250,000 - $21,000,000 - $22,750,000 - $24,500,000
Alexis Ajinca (dead money contract) - $1,3750,000 - $1,500,000 - $1,625,000
2017 LAC 1st
2020 BOS 1st

WAS sends:

Cole Aldrich (58) - $800,000



I accept

Red Auerbach

[billy]

dynasty720.proboards.com/thread/1814/stretch-provision

[Red Auerbach]

I have thought long and hard about this trade. I've gone back and forth about it.
I REALLY HATE to lose both of those 1st rounders. However, I feel there are players out there who can benefit me more than the 2 draft picks could. With strong reservations, I accept this trade.

[Pete Maravich]

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Steve Jobs
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Brown Cobb IV

[Steve Jobs]

Reject. Like Billy posted, Chandler can be stretched... you can decline that fourth year TO, waive Chandler and stretch his contract over seven years, making his cap hit only 9 million, which would then most likely be tradable without having to give up two picks. This is just too much.

[Justin Timberlake]

What Steve said. Boston, you just received Tyson from Toronto not that long ago. You should have been more sure that you'd want to take that on.

Reject

[Allan Houston]

Stretching Tyson is pretty rough. That contract is probably the biggest albatross in the league. Stretching him, and first declining the TO, would leave $9M on the books for the next seven years.

[Steve Jobs]

Jul 10, 2016 10:29:28 GMT -5 Allan Houston said:

Stretching Tyson is pretty rough. That contract is probably the biggest albatross in the league. Stretching him, and first declining the TO, would leave $9M on the books for the next seven years.

You could trade stretched Chandler at 9M per year to a non-WAS tanker for less than two first rounders, so ultimately Boston isn't giving up nearly as much to stretch him as they are trying to trade him.

[Pete Maravich]

Jul 10, 2016 12:23:21 GMT -5 Steve Jobs said:

Jul 10, 2016 10:29:28 GMT -5 Allan Houston said:

Stretching Tyson is pretty rough. That contract is probably the biggest albatross in the league. Stretching him, and first declining the TO, would leave $9M on the books for the next seven years.

You could trade stretched Chandler at 9M per year to a non-WAS tanker for less than two first rounders, so ultimately Boston isn't giving up nearly as much to stretch him as they are trying to trade him.

I think the market to take on $60m is pretty small.  I may be it pre-free agency.

[billy]

It'll be like 2021, a new GM looks at his team "Who is Tyson Chandler and why do I have to pay him 9M for the next 2 years?!"

[Pete Maravich]

I think Bobby Bonilla is still getting checks from the Mets.

[Allan Houston]

Jul 10, 2016 12:23:21 GMT -5 Steve Jobs said:

Jul 10, 2016 10:29:28 GMT -5 Allan Houston said:

Stretching Tyson is pretty rough. That contract is probably the biggest albatross in the league. Stretching him, and first declining the TO, would leave $9M on the books for the next seven years.

You could trade stretched Chandler at 9M per year to a non-WAS tanker for less than two first rounders, so ultimately Boston isn't giving up nearly as much to stretch him as they are trying to trade him.

Why do you think this?  It's not like the receiving team can't also stretch him.  Tyson's been on the trade block for a while.  Red's a veteran GM. We should give him the benefit of the doubt that he did his due diligence.  We should assume that he's reached out to the teams who could possibly take on the Tyson contract, and after negotiations the market settled here.  You may think dumping the Tyson contract requires less, but the market ultimately dictates the value.

On a larger scale, I think the TC has become a bit too tight recently.  My guess is that it's a reaction to Dirk's growing pains as a new GM.  But it wasn't too long ago that we were accepting trade we thought were unfair simply in the spirit of the offseason.

[Steve Jobs]

Jul 10, 2016 16:25:43 GMT -5 Allan Houston said:

Jul 10, 2016 12:23:21 GMT -5 Steve Jobs said:

You could trade stretched Chandler at 9M per year to a non-WAS tanker for less than two first rounders, so ultimately Boston isn't giving up nearly as much to stretch him as they are trying to trade him.

Why do you think this?  It's not like the receiving team can't also stretch him.  Tyson's been on the trade block for a while.  Red's a veteran GM. We should give him the benefit of the doubt that he did his due diligence.  We should assume that he's reached out to the teams who could possibly take on the Tyson contract, and after negotiations the market settled here.  You may think dumping the Tyson contract requires less, but the market ultimately dictates the value.

On a larger scale, I think the TC has become a bit too tight recently.  My guess is that it's a reaction to Dirk's growing pains as a new GM.  But it wasn't too long ago that we were accepting trade we thought were unfair simply in the spirit of the offseason.

I've basically never accepted a trade that I thought was unfair regardless of the spirit of any specific point in the season. I think TCs should be discerning about whether trade is truly rejectable (franchise ruining), but that is subjective and I think any TC member's judgement should be taken into account. The context of this trade among other moves and pre-established Red motives is just not a well-thought out move - Red just took on this contract in a trade that didn't necessarily make his team a better long-term contender, and then trades away his picks to get rid of the contract days later while also trying to move Dirk for a rookie so he has more cap room. I'm just not entirely sure how this works positively for Red so I'm trying to help make sure the Celtics don't disappear despite what was the potential for a solid squad at the start of last season.

And I think any given GM is more likely to accept a trade for less in return with the Chandler contract if it is pre-stretched because some a) some GMs don't know about the stretch clause and don't realize they can do that, and b) some GMs will use the extra leverage of taking the full Chandler contract worth 19M+ per year to, for example, do exactly what Pete has done here and demand two picks.