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Post by billy on Aug 3, 2016 20:33:39 GMT -5
Memphis Grizzlies
DAL 2017 1st C 60 Cody Zeller $5,318,313 $7,014,855
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New Orleans Pelicans
PF 59 Aaron Gordon $4,351,320 $5,504,420 $7,260,330 FC 47 Jordan Mickey $845,059 $980,431 $1,251,245 C 63 Mason Plumlee $2,328,530 $3,371,711
I accept
Aaron Gordon was pick 4 a few years ago and improves every year looking awesome.
Zeller is meh for salary purposes i will trade him soon.
Mickey is nice add in. Plumlee is HUGE depth piece that will really push memphis over the edge to be able to contend with the seattle juggernaut.
I take a pick that is a top 5 (hopefully top 3 lotto gods) pick in return for all of this.
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Post by Logan Hough on Aug 3, 2016 20:35:34 GMT -5
Accept. I get nice depth, with potential for improvement (Gordon will improve with a stock watch), on good contracts.
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billy
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Post by billy on Aug 3, 2016 20:37:38 GMT -5
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Steve Jobs
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Post by Steve Jobs on Aug 3, 2016 21:56:27 GMT -5
This seems like a hell of a lot to give up for Cody Zeller and a 1st, although the first admittedly has some great potential. Sending all that depth to Memphis makes them much stronger contenders, too.
Not entirely sure yet... I think it's acceptable but I'm gonna wait and hear some other opinions first.
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Post by Justin Timberlake on Aug 3, 2016 22:16:09 GMT -5
This seems like a hell of a lot to give up for Cody Zeller and a 1st, although the first admittedly has some great potential. Sending all that depth to Memphis makes them much stronger contenders, too. Not entirely sure yet... I think it's acceptable but I'm gonna wait and hear some other opinions first. This isn't just "a 1st"....this is the best pick in the league (based on all of my sims thus far) in an apparently stellar draft year. And it seems like good depth, but in the wrong places for Memphis. Still thinking..
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Post by Steve Jobs on Aug 3, 2016 22:24:37 GMT -5
This seems like a hell of a lot to give up for Cody Zeller and a 1st, although the first admittedly has some great potential. Sending all that depth to Memphis makes them much stronger contenders, too. Not entirely sure yet... I think it's acceptable but I'm gonna wait and hear some other opinions first. This isn't just "a 1st"....this is the best pick in the league (based on all of my sims thus far) in an apparently stellar draft year. And it seems like good depth, but in the wrong places for Memphis. Still thinking.. Right, like I said, it's got great potential. Regardless, it has to make it through the lottery and could fall out of the top three even if it has far and away the best odds for 1st overall. Furthermore, any extra value for Memphis is extra value. It doesn't matter if the depth IS in the wrong places, none of the players are old or declining in value, so all of the can be used as great bargaining chips for Memphis to get the depth they DO need or chase picks that will help them come down from a contending year if they fall short and choose to blow it up or something. Ultimately, I don't hate it but if that pick isn't top 3, it's a major gamble for Billy whose team was primed to be a semi-legit contender going forward with the right moves. Maybe all his sims made him feel like he needs to continue building for the future, but I feel pretty strongly that he's got a solid team and shouldn't just run it out the window for a lottery ticket... I'll hold off a little longer... Probably vote in the morning.
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Post by billy on Aug 3, 2016 22:42:44 GMT -5
Can't...resist... hype mix tapes
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Post by Gregg Popovich on Aug 4, 2016 8:37:27 GMT -5
wow first time ive seen TC this baffled
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Post by Gregg Popovich on Aug 4, 2016 8:37:38 GMT -5
or struggling to give an answer
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Post by billy on Aug 4, 2016 8:39:52 GMT -5
or struggling to give an answer They are stuck between wanting to reject because I'm losing, but also just letting me lose since I'm a good GM / my team is so good.
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Post by Gregg Popovich on Aug 4, 2016 8:45:58 GMT -5
i mean ur the goddamn admin
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Post by Pete Maravich on Aug 4, 2016 9:12:42 GMT -5
I thought Memphis was getting away with highway robbery when I first looked at this. It is important to note that even if Dallas doesn't win one game the most likely scenario is that they have the #4 pick. I think Aaron Gordon is almost an exact value to what the Dallas pick will return on average. I'd give the slight edge to the Dallas pick though due to the potential of it being #1. Zeller is not a throw away in this deal either. He doesn't equal Plumlee but it is not that far off. I think this deal is actually even.
I accept
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Post by Steve Jobs on Aug 4, 2016 9:15:34 GMT -5
or struggling to give an answer They are stuck between wanting to reject because I'm losing, but also just letting me lose since I'm a good GM / my team is so good. Also, I like making Billy wait for trade results because it's fun. So, sue me. I accept. Not a great deal, but also not an awful one. Were I in Memphis position, I wouldn't take less than what NOP is giving up. Were I in NOP's position, I wouldn't want to offer this much when the lottery could dismantle the pick's value. Neither team is dying or giving up their best asset/player to make it happen, but I still feel strongly that this trade will look silly if the pick doesn't have the value Billy hopes it will.
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Post by Steve Jobs on Aug 4, 2016 9:23:32 GMT -5
I thought Memphis was getting away with highway robbery when I first looked at this. It is important to note that even if Dallas doesn't win one game the most likely scenario is that they have the #4 pick. I think Aaron Gordon is almost an exact value to what the Dallas pick will return on average. I'd give the slight edge to the Dallas pick though due to the potential of it being #1. Zeller is not a throw away in this deal either. He doesn't equal Plumlee but it is not that far off. I think this deal is actually even. I accept That doesn't make any sense. If Dallas doesn't win one game, the number of balls placed into the drawing will mean the odds of being in the top 3 will greatly outnumber the chance of dropping to the 4. That doesn't mean it isn't possible, just that calling that the most likely scenario is blatantly untrue because math. That said, I agree that the deal is more or less even. It's all about where the pick lands, but I think there are at least 3 players who have more potential than Aaron Gordon in that draft. Because Seattle exists, if I had the luxury of a 22 year old superstar, I'd take this risk 9 times out of 10. Do you aim to build the next 2012 OKC or sit back and hope that three good-to-great assets develop into your second and third superstar? Pure philosophy there. I'm not gonna stand in Billy's way, but I'm gonna laugh at it him if it doesn't work out and Memphis gains three amazing depth players with 6+ years of team control each.
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Post by Pete Maravich on Aug 4, 2016 9:29:54 GMT -5
I thought Memphis was getting away with highway robbery when I first looked at this. It is important to note that even if Dallas doesn't win one game the most likely scenario is that they have the #4 pick. I think Aaron Gordon is almost an exact value to what the Dallas pick will return on average. I'd give the slight edge to the Dallas pick though due to the potential of it being #1. Zeller is not a throw away in this deal either. He doesn't equal Plumlee but it is not that far off. I think this deal is actually even. I accept That doesn't make any sense. If Dallas doesn't win one game, the number of balls placed into the drawing will mean the odds of dropping out of the top 3 will greatly outnumber the chance of dropping to the 4. That doesn't mean it isn't possible, just that calling that the most likely scenario is blatantly untrue because math. That said, I agree that the deal is more or less even. It's all about where the pick lands, but I think there are at least 3 players who have more potential than Aaron Gordon in that draft. Because Seattle exists, if I had the luxury of a 22 year old superstar, I'd take this risk 9 times out of 10. Do you aim to build the next 2012 OKC or sit back and hope that three good-to-great assets develop into your second and third superstar? Pure philosophy there. I'm not gonna stand in Billy's way, but I'm gonna laugh at it him if it doesn't work out and Memphis gains three amazing depth players with 6+ years of team control each. "The odds of dropping out of the top 3 will greatly outnumber the chance of dropping to the 4"? If they have the worst record then 4th is the lowest they can drop. It is the same scenario. All I meant was that if Dallas has the worst record then they are more likely to be the 4th pick than the 1st pick or any other slot individually. It is more likely it is top 3 than #4 if that is what you meant.
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Post by Steve Jobs on Aug 4, 2016 9:46:32 GMT -5
I typoed, thanks for pointing that out, I did mean the odds of being in the top 3 will greatly outnumber the chance of dropping to the 4. (http://dynasty720.proboards.com/thread/453/draft-lottery-odds for reference).
Calling getting the 4th pick the "most likely scenario" is ignoring that the options are not just between pick #1 and pick #4. The odds of getting 4th are only better than the odds of getting 1st, 2nd, or 3rd individually, they aren't better than the odds of getting one of 1st, 2nd, or 3rd, therefore it isn't the most likely scenario.
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Post by Colin Loftin on Aug 4, 2016 10:28:26 GMT -5
I'll accept. I'd actually rather have Billy's side of the deal.
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Post by Justin Timberlake on Aug 4, 2016 10:35:10 GMT -5
Well doesn't matter what I vote now but I do think Billy is getting the better end of it.
Just so this is "in stone", going to put on my Nostradamus hat and try to call this now. I don't think Billy is trying to build through the draft. He's collecting assets. Now that he has 2, possibly 3 (if he tanks again) top 10 picks in the upcoming draft, he's going to wait until we're all higher than a kite on the upcoming draft and trade the picks in some block buster package for KAT (or someone similar) to pair with AD, Jrue and Bradley lol.
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Post by Steve Jobs on Aug 4, 2016 11:04:32 GMT -5
Well doesn't matter what I vote now but I do think Billy is getting the better end of it. Just so this is "in stone", going to put on my Nostradamus hat and try to call this now. I don't think Billy is trying to build through the draft. He's collecting assets. Now that he has 2, possibly 3 (if he tanks again) top 10 picks in the upcoming draft, he's going to wait until we're all higher than a kite on the upcoming draft and trade the picks in some block buster package for KAT (or someone similar) to pair with AD, Jrue and Bradley lol. I bet he's aiming for a guard if he trades up.
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Post by Baron Davis on Aug 4, 2016 11:18:38 GMT -5
FWIW in my opinion this is a clear win for tha god BK
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Post by Steve Jobs on Aug 4, 2016 11:43:15 GMT -5
FWIW in my opinion this is a clear win for tha god BK I'd say that it's definitely not a "clear win," we need to see where the pick ends up before any sort of valuation on this trade can be even a little bit accurate. I wouldn't undervalue Gordon or Plumlee here, either.
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Post by billy on Aug 4, 2016 12:28:24 GMT -5
Thanks guys. No plans for the picks yet except wait and watch a lot of college basketball! The top 5 this year looks so good, I really love Aaron Gordon though.
A big part of this deal was me clearing 2M in cap so I can make more than 2 year offers in tier 3.
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