Pete Maravich
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Post by Pete Maravich on Dec 26, 2016 22:52:06 GMT -5
Cleveland sends: Elfrid Payton $2,613,600 $3,332,340 $4,538,647Wesley Matthews $14,000,000 $12,600,000 $12,600,000 $11,340,000Rodney Hood $1,406,520 $2,386,864 $3,472,887James Ennis $980,431 $1,251,245Cleveland receives:
Damian Lillard $28,200,000 $30,315,000 $32,430,000 $34,545,000 $36,660,000
Ersan Ilyasova $8,400,000
2017 LAC 2nd
Post Trade Salary - $91,218,057
LA Clippers sends:
Damian Lillard $28,200,000 $30,315,000 $32,430,000 $34,545,000 $36,660,000
Ersan Ilyasova $8,400,000
'17 LAC 2nd
LA Clippers receives:
2017 LAC 1st
Rodney Hood $1,406,520 $2,386,864 $3,472,887Cory Joseph $7,200,000 $7,400,000 $8,000,000Wesley Matthews $14,000,000 $12,600,000 $12,600,000 $11,340,000 Tyson Chandler $19,250,000 $21,000,000 $22,750,000 $24,500,000Isaah Canaan $2,830,000 $2,830,000 $2,830,000 $2,830,000 $2,830,000
Post Trade Salary - $79,265,304 Washington sends: 2017 LAC 1st Tyson Chandler $19,250,000 $21,000,000 $22,750,000 $24,500,000Isaiah Canaan $2,830,000 $2,830,000 $2,830,000 $2,830,000 $2,830,000 Cory Joseph $7,200,000 $7,400,000 $8,000,000
Washington receives: Elfrid Payton $2,613,600 $3,332,340 $4,538,647
James Ennis $980,431 $1,251,245
Post Trade Salary - $33,359,711 Keith Van Horn @docrivers101 |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2016 23:42:08 GMT -5
I accept, I have some trade prospects in Matthews/Chandler, I get some young player and most importantly I have my pick back. :)
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Post by John Stockton on Dec 27, 2016 0:26:46 GMT -5
reject. don't even bother accepting, KVH. this should be doc auto rejected
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Post by Gregg Popovich on Dec 27, 2016 0:43:33 GMT -5
lol
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Post by Keith Van Horn on Dec 27, 2016 2:49:42 GMT -5
I accept. I get a top-notch PG to pair with Giannis, even though Giannis is a pretty damn good PG at the moment. I give up a lot of solid youth, but Giannis is pushing us out of the lottery, and it is smarter to try to take a step up, rather than trade off guys who are making my team better, particularly Parsons.
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Post by Keith Van Horn on Dec 27, 2016 2:58:58 GMT -5
reject. don't even bother accepting, KVH. this should be doc auto rejected Why? Getting your own pick in a trade is one of the most valuable things in a sim league. It allows you to control your destiny and do the things that you want to do. I was surprised he was getting it back in this deal. I think he comes out pretty well. Having Damian Lillard on your team is of no use if your goal is to tank, as is his wish. So now, he gets to tank and gets a top prospect in Hood, all for Lillard, who, in a league of dominant PG play, is not top 5 at his position: Kyrie, Russ, Harden, Curry, Paul. And an argument can be made as to where he ranks in the next tier: Wall, Teague, Lowry, Kemba, Conley. So getting your own pick back, which is very valuable, plus Rodney Hood is worth Lillard imo. Matthews and Chandler on top of it are gravy trade assets that can be passed to competing teams pushing for a run. |
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Post by John Stockton on Dec 27, 2016 7:27:54 GMT -5
reject. don't even bother accepting, KVH. this should be doc auto rejected Why? Getting your own pick in a trade is one of the most valuable things in a sim league. It allows you to control your destiny and do the things that you want to do. I was surprised he was getting it back in this deal. I think he comes out pretty well. Having Damian Lillard on your team is of no use if your goal is to tank, as is his wish. So now, he gets to tank and gets a top prospect in Hood, all for Lillard, who, in a league of dominant PG play, is not top 5 at his position: Kyrie, Russ, Harden, Curry, Paul. And an argument can be made as to where he ranks in the next tier: Wall, Teague, Lowry, Kemba, Conley. So getting your own pick back, which is very valuable, plus Rodney Hood is worth Lillard imo. Matthews and Chandler on top of it are gravy trade assets that can be passed to competing teams pushing for a run. no. just no. |
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Post by Gregg Popovich on Dec 27, 2016 8:00:41 GMT -5
Rodney is not worth Lillard wtf. And if the Clips are tanking it would make no sense getting Chandler and Matthews.
You merely get the best deal
Pete frees capspace
Doc gets the bad end of the trade.
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Steve Jobs
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Post by Steve Jobs on Dec 27, 2016 9:16:18 GMT -5
lol
Doc Reject for sure.
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Pete Maravich
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Post by Pete Maravich on Dec 27, 2016 10:02:04 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2016 10:09:27 GMT -5
Not planning on keeping Matthews or Chandler, They can easily be traded for something of tanking value to me.My pick is going to be valuable since you all know how good I am at blowing up my team, Lillard is barely scraping into the top 10 PG tier to me right now with Portland having more losses than wins and with this pick I could get a guy just as valuable as Lillard potentially plus Rodney Hood isn't trash, he is pretty valuable too.Plus, every day that passes without any offers doesn't help me it helps Pete.He gives up a good pick for cap space and Payton? Not much better than what I'm getting.
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Post by Justin Timberlake on Dec 27, 2016 12:42:16 GMT -5
It's a reject for me as well, guys. Doc is locking himself into a lot of money for a very long time, which usually takes compensation and not giving up an All-star PG. Lillard is 26 and having a great year, regardless of Portland being good or not. Chandler is on probably the worst contract in the league and Pete received picks to take him on. He's a negative asset for sure, so thinking he's going to be easy to trade is very far off. Canaan, Wes and Joseph all are on long contracts as well, which isn't great. Ask Steve what he paid to get Joseph and then what he sold him for. I think Doc is taking on too many negative assets on such long contracts that they cancel out the fact he's getting back his pick...which means he's getting Hood for Lillard? That's rough.
Doc, do you really want to have a little less than half your cap space (46%) tied up in Canaan, Wes, Chandler and Joseph for the next 3 or more years while giving Lillard in the process? I wouldn't.
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Post by Keith Van Horn on Dec 27, 2016 14:15:36 GMT -5
Rodney is not worth Lillard wtf. And if the Clips are tanking it would make no sense getting Chandler and Matthews. You merely get the best deal Pete frees capspace Doc gets the bad end of the trade. But it isn't Rodney for Lillard. If the Clips are tanking, it makes more sense to get your own pick back, at any cost. It is literally the most valuable thing in a sim league when you want to tank, hands down. Chandler and Matthews won't add any wins, and can easily be traded to a team looking to make a push. I don't think you are properly valuing the players and picks in this trade, and I don't think you are coming anywhere close to their value. Rodney Hood is a solid starter on a likely playoff team, he's just 24 years old, plays solid defense and fills the box score, he's a poor man's Jimmy Butler, in fact, in their age 24 year seasons, Hood is ahead of Butler in most statistical categories, and is head and shoulders past him in every category in their 23 aged seasons. Chandler and Matthews eat up a lot of cap for Doc, but they won't add any wins to his team. And cap isn't Doc's concern because he won't be signing free agents if he is tanking. What more do you think Lillard is worth? He's somewhere between the 6th and 11th best PG in the league, but, as it stands, he won't be leading his team to the playoffs in the West this season IRL. It isn't just a first round pick, it is a lottery first, and it is his own first. And this draft is deep at the top, only increasing the value of the pick. |
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Post by Gregg Popovich on Dec 27, 2016 14:22:31 GMT -5
You said "plus Rodney Hood is worth Lillard imo." Keith Van Horn so im not sure what you mean |
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Theodore Duncan
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Post by Theodore Duncan on Dec 27, 2016 14:35:28 GMT -5
Not planning on keeping Matthews or Chandler, They can easily be traded for something of tanking value to me....lolled for this.. Chandler is the worst contract in D720. Just getting rid of him will cost you something like 1st round pick or equal value. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2016 14:45:35 GMT -5
Not planning on keeping Matthews or Chandler, They can easily be traded for something of tanking value to me....lolled for this.. Chandler is the worst contract in D720. Just getting rid of him will cost you something like 1st round pick or equal value. Okay yeah, i agree i shouldnt have included chandler in that sentence. |
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Steve Jobs
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Post by Steve Jobs on Dec 27, 2016 15:22:21 GMT -5
Cleveland is getting a really good deal... Payton is meh, Hood is pretty good, Wes is overpaid AND meh, Ennis is pretty good. All that for a superstar point guard (no other way to talk about Lillard, get that "top 10 PG" crap out of here), a good contributor on an expiring deal, and probably a very good 2nd round pick.
Washington gets a shit deal IMO. Trading a pick that will almost certainly be a decent lottery pick in a great draft for Elfrid Payton is a hell of a drop off. That pick could be the franchise, and those awful Chandler/Joseph/Canaan contracts will eventually go away... Elfrid Payton being Meh AF won't.
On the Clippers side, they're getting their pick, but taking on Chandler/Joseph/Canaan AND Matthews terrible contracts, while giving away Ilyasova's expiring... Rodney Hood + the Clippers pick MAY be worth Lillard together, but I think the negative value of all the bad contracts does outweigh any potential gain from getting control over their tank. I already acknowledged that the pick could be the franchise player for WAS, so obviously that doesn't become untrue here for the Clippers, but with the extra Matthews contract, losing their good 2nd and taking on all of Washington's bad contracts (none of which will be "easy to trade") and getting that many non-terrible players might actually HURT the tank.
This isn't so far off that it couldn't be acceptable with a bit of tweaking... But The Clippers CAN, and should, find a better deal for their pick... one that doesn't see them taking on so much negative value to make it happen. This is a Doc team after all... can't be too careful in the early stages of rebuilding a team in such bad shape as the Clippers.
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Post by kong on Dec 27, 2016 16:17:45 GMT -5
Kinda feel like Steve on this one for Clippers. Their deal should be Lillard for Hood, Joseph and the LAC 2017 1st. The rest doesn't make much sense. And even then, it is a debatable deal for them.
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Steve Jobs
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Post by Steve Jobs on Dec 27, 2016 17:17:27 GMT -5
It should be noted Lillard is having a career year one year after being hugely instrumental in leading the overachieving Blazers to the playoffs. He's trending upward, not downward, in regards to ratings and trade value. This just isn't appropriate return for a superstar. Lillard can be/is the type of player that the pick might get. Taking on a boatload of awful contracts to get it back doesn't make any sense.
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Post by Gregg Popovich on Dec 27, 2016 17:25:19 GMT -5
Cmon Doc u can do better buddy
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Post by kong on Dec 27, 2016 18:35:10 GMT -5
I am still waiting for DeShawn Stevenson to turn into the next Jordan.
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billy
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Post by billy on Dec 27, 2016 19:56:13 GMT -5
Not planning on keeping Matthews or Chandler, They can easily be traded for something of tanking value to me.My pick is going to be valuable since you all know how good I am at blowing up my team, Lillard is barely scraping into the top 10 PG tier to me right now with Portland having more losses than wins and with this pick I could get a guy just as valuable as Lillard potentially plus Rodney Hood isn't trash, he is pretty valuable too.Plus, every day that passes without any offers doesn't help me it helps Pete.He gives up a good pick for cap space and Payton? Not much better than what I'm getting. Doc, do you really think you can trade chandler for positive value? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2016 20:06:53 GMT -5
Not planning on keeping Matthews or Chandler, They can easily be traded for something of tanking value to me.My pick is going to be valuable since you all know how good I am at blowing up my team, Lillard is barely scraping into the top 10 PG tier to me right now with Portland having more losses than wins and with this pick I could get a guy just as valuable as Lillard potentially plus Rodney Hood isn't trash, he is pretty valuable too.Plus, every day that passes without any offers doesn't help me it helps Pete.He gives up a good pick for cap space and Payton? Not much better than what I'm getting. Doc, do you really think you can trade chandler for positive value? I was ranting im the morning at an airport lol, i wasnt paying attention enough. I just meant matthews lol, NOT Chandler. |
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Post by Gregg Popovich on Dec 27, 2016 20:09:36 GMT -5
@docrivers101 but either way, tyson chandler is included in this trade. What are you planning on doing with that big contract
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Post by John Stockton on Dec 27, 2016 21:06:26 GMT -5
doc if you think chandler is a positive trade piece, Im gonna have to ban you
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Post by Keith Van Horn on Dec 28, 2016 19:18:07 GMT -5
reject. don't even bother accepting, KVH. this should be doc auto rejected Why? Getting your own pick in a trade is one of the most valuable things in a sim league. It allows you to control your destiny and do the things that you want to do. I was surprised he was getting it back in this deal. I think he comes out pretty well. Having Damian Lillard on your team is of no use if your goal is to tank, as is his wish. So now, he gets to tank and gets a top prospect in Hood, all for Lillard, who, in a league of dominant PG play, is not top 5 at his position: Kyrie, Russ, Harden, Curry, Paul. And an argument can be made as to where he ranks in the next tier: Wall, Teague, Lowry, Kemba, Conley. So getting your own pick back, which is very valuable, plus Rodney Hood is worth Lillard imo. Matthews and Chandler on top of it are gravy trade assets that can be passed to competing teams pushing for a run. Learn to English. Getting your own pick + Rodney Hood = Lillard |
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Post by Steve Jobs on Dec 28, 2016 19:52:50 GMT -5
Why? Getting your own pick in a trade is one of the most valuable things in a sim league. It allows you to control your destiny and do the things that you want to do. I was surprised he was getting it back in this deal. I think he comes out pretty well. Having Damian Lillard on your team is of no use if your goal is to tank, as is his wish. So now, he gets to tank and gets a top prospect in Hood, all for Lillard, who, in a league of dominant PG play, is not top 5 at his position: Kyrie, Russ, Harden, Curry, Paul. And an argument can be made as to where he ranks in the next tier: Wall, Teague, Lowry, Kemba, Conley. So getting your own pick back, which is very valuable, plus Rodney Hood is worth Lillard imo. Matthews and Chandler on top of it are gravy trade assets that can be passed to competing teams pushing for a run. Learn to English. Getting your own pick + Rodney Hood = Lillard Part of learning to English is also learning how to communicate effectively the first time so that misunderstandings are less common. You could have said "Rodney Hood plus getting your own pick back, which is very valuable, is worth Lillard imo." I mean, that still wouldn't necessarily make this trade acceptable, but at least it would have eliminated the chance of being misunderstood. |
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Post by Keith Van Horn on Dec 29, 2016 1:09:48 GMT -5
Learn to English. Getting your own pick + Rodney Hood = Lillard Part of learning to English is also learning how to communicate effectively the first time so that misunderstandings are less common. You could have said "Rodney Hood plus getting your own pick back, which is very valuable, is worth Lillard imo." I mean, that still wouldn't necessarily make this trade acceptable, but at least it would have eliminated the chance of being misunderstood. My post contained 2 paragraphs before the sentence in question. The first paragraph was about the pick and the second paragraph was about Hood. Naturally, when I went to sum everything I up, I put them in that order in the sentence. It is not my fault someone doesn't understand commas. |
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