Reggie Miller
 Indiana Pacers
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Post by Reggie Miller on Dec 29, 2016 3:43:53 GMT -5
Indiana Pacers will trade C 68 Jonas Valanciunas $19,250,000 $21,000,000 $22,750,000 $24,500,000 PF 59 Josh Smith $700,000 10 PG 59 Ramon Sessions $940,000 Total Salary Involved: $20,890,000 Salary Before: $94,720,714 Salary After: $91,522,898 For Boston Celtics
PF 68 Dirk Nowitzki $8,692,184 SF 62 Wilson Chandler $6,000,000 $6,450,000 $6,900,000 $7,350,000 $7,800,000 PG 62 Rodney Stuckey $3,000,000 $3,225,000 $3,450,000 $3,675,000 $3,900,000
Total Salary Involved: $17,692,184 Salary Before: $94,720,714 Salary After: $100,759,905 I need depth at forward position and Chandler can be the one who can provide that,. Plus Dirk will be our starting PF while KLove will be switching at the Center positon. Need to shake up my roster with these unexpected losses. Love and Jonas can't co exist. Red Auerbach
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Reggie Miller
Indiana Pacers
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Post by Reggie Miller on Dec 29, 2016 3:48:15 GMT -5
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Red Auerbach
 Boston Celtics
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Post by Red Auerbach on Dec 29, 2016 9:14:32 GMT -5
This trade can't be processed until Dec 15.
I accept. I too need to change up my lineup. I have 3 power forwards.
With this trade I'll put Jonas in at center, move Millsap to PF, and bring Al Jeff off the bench with Isaiah Thomas.
I'll just have to find me a 3 and D small forward.
I thought about this one for a while because it really affects my cap going into the offseason.
However, I think having a young improving center is worth the trade.
I hate to see Dirk go, because he is a legend.
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Post by Gregg Popovich on Dec 29, 2016 17:20:22 GMT -5
Yeah but who needs a legend who cant play multiple games in a row . You need wins to resign westbeast
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Post by Justin Timberlake on Dec 29, 2016 20:49:25 GMT -5
Accept for me. I think both teams are taking on a bit of risk here. Indy is taking on Dirk who has struggled to remain healthy this season. I wouldn't be surprised if he misses enough time to go over the threshold this year. But Chandler has been awesome and Dirk is only on a 1 yr deal. Boston is getting the best player in this trade but they are taking on the risk of JV opting out and becoming a FA next season.
Will be interesting to see how the sim takes the new adjustments, hopefully you guys ran a few sims to see!
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Reggie Miller
Indiana Pacers
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Post by Reggie Miller on Dec 29, 2016 21:45:55 GMT -5
I have run some sims and K love is comfortable at the center position next to Dirk or Kieff like the K Love in Minny.
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billy
 Miami Heat
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Post by billy on Jan 3, 2017 0:21:37 GMT -5
Processed on December 15th, I'm gonna open this up for voting now and we can just queue it.
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billy
Miami Heat
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Post by billy on Jan 3, 2017 0:41:42 GMT -5
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Post by John Stockton on Jan 3, 2017 9:46:05 GMT -5
accept. good trade for reggie
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Steve Jobs
 Oklahoma City Thunder
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jan 3, 2017 9:47:18 GMT -5
Reject. Dirk is a shell of himself right now and JVal is worth more than this.
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Pete Maravich
 Washington Wizards
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Post by Pete Maravich on Jan 3, 2017 10:09:16 GMT -5
I hate this for Indiana. Feels like throwing JV away. Dirk might be done. He has looked bad in the few games he has played in. Stuckey is below average everywhere (PER, WS/48, BPM) the last two years. Chandler is okay this year but I believe his & the Stuckey contracts will be regretful sooner rather than later. The only place this makes sense is the ratings but Dirk & Stuckey could take a hit pretty quickly.
Reject
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Red Auerbach
Boston Celtics
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Post by Red Auerbach on Jan 3, 2017 10:17:34 GMT -5
Valanciunas is likely to look for the max in the offseason.
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Steve Jobs
Oklahoma City Thunder
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jan 3, 2017 10:25:24 GMT -5
Valanciunas is likely to look for the max in the offseason. 1) he really isn't/shouldn't be worth that, 2) he's still head and shoulders more valuable than Dirk if Dirk never returns to form, 3) they're both "expiring" if Val leaves, so I don't see much different between losing Dirk (based on letting him go for poor performance, watching him retire, etc.) or losing Val (based on him seeking a max that Reggie probably won't try to match). In that regard, the deal is two scrub expirings for one scrub on a TRBL deal and another guy having a career year at 29 (aka good right now but it'll look probably like a TRBL deal before the contract expires). I just don't see how IND improves their team or their future prospects in any way by making this trade. |
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Reggie Miller
Indiana Pacers
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Post by Reggie Miller on Jan 4, 2017 1:52:00 GMT -5
I have a pending trade coming up after this one and I think that will make my team improve more..
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billy
Miami Heat
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Post by billy on Jan 5, 2017 9:55:05 GMT -5
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billy
Miami Heat
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Post by billy on Jan 5, 2017 9:56:41 GMT -5
I vote to accept. I think Jonas will opt out, and without his bird rights this is literally just a 1 year rental of Jonas. So the meh return is worth it.
I also think Jonas kind of sucks in the sim, and paired with Klove lacks the frontcourt defense. Which is something we have seen other teams that should be good struggle with...
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Post by Gregg Popovich on Jan 5, 2017 10:10:13 GMT -5
I vote to reject.
Boston is getting the bad end of the trade. He's not guaranteed Jonas' contract after this season as Jonas has the option to become a UFA for two consecutive years based on how Boston performs. As a player agent, I would want to either keep my player in a good team that has a chance of playing to win or would get my player the most money possible. With that said, the NBA salary cap has risen to 94 million and will rise to 114 million next year which would lead to another off-season where teams have the freedom to offer a lot of offers that (quite frankly) might not equal to the value of the players. Boston can't afford that as he is probably going to try and keep Russell somehow
In Pacers' case, Miller gets himself an injured Dirk who hasn't played most games and neither is the Mavericks forced to play him since they're at the bottom of the league. What this means is that he doesn't play as much in the sims and just like what Steve said, he is a "shell of himself". The one good thing that he got was Wilson Chandler, despite his age compared to the rest of the Denver team, he imo deserves a small increase in his ratings because he is an important part of the Nuggets roster right now. Rodney is a non-factor and Miller is stuck with him for a while...
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Post by Baron Davis on Jan 5, 2017 10:24:53 GMT -5
This is a clear accept for me. The job of the TC is not to GM for everyone. This is not a blatantly unfair trade
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jan 5, 2017 10:35:36 GMT -5
Accept
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Steve Jobs
Oklahoma City Thunder
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jan 5, 2017 10:56:40 GMT -5
This is a clear accept for me. The job of the TC is not to GM for everyone. This is not a blatantly unfair trade The job of the TC is to be a buffer between GMs that ensure that neither side is winning a trade so badly as to potentially derail the franchise of the losing team. The only reason for IND to take this trade is under the assumption that a) Dirk plays on par with Jonas through the end of the year, b) Wilson Chandler and Rodney Stuckey are significant upgrades over their expiring counterparts, c) that neither of Chandler's and Stuckey's contracts end up being horrible contracts that haunt the Pacers years from now, and d) that the difference between attempting to resign Dirk/Jonas being having bird rights for a player that is almost 40 vs no bird rights for a young center with a decently promising career in front of him has any dramatic effect on the extreme imbalance of value between the two in a vacuum. For the reference, there is no 100% guarantee that Jonas even opts out. Just because it looks likely doesn't mean that he will. If Jonas opted in even ONE of those options, this trade is devastatingly bad for Reggie. |
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Post by Baron Davis on Jan 5, 2017 11:11:26 GMT -5
That's wrong. Any player option makes the contract after the player option only bad. The player opts in only if the contract is bad. Otherwise he resigns for market value
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Yeezy
 Dallas Mavericks
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Post by Yeezy on Jan 5, 2017 11:28:06 GMT -5
Accept
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Allan Houston
 New York Knicks
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Post by Allan Houston on Jan 5, 2017 11:34:49 GMT -5
Accept
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Post by Yao Ming on Jan 5, 2017 11:49:54 GMT -5
I vote to accept. It looks to be a fair trade with Indiana sacrificing a little of the future to get some talent worth more in the present. I dont think Jonas for Chandler and Stuckey is even close to franchise ruining for either side, especially since we probably know what we're getting out of Jonas and these other players at this point.
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Logan Hough
 Memphis Grizzlies
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Post by Logan Hough on Jan 5, 2017 11:55:43 GMT -5
Accept
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2017 12:23:22 GMT -5
Hmm, Dirk expiring/possibly retiring after this season while JV COULD opt out but he could resign.After this season Boston will have nothing if JV opts out while Indiana will at least have Chandler and Stuckey unless Dirk sticks around personally i think JV will stick around in Boston but he could always opt out again after that while Indiana has Dirk for two seasons max but it's a good trade for them shorterm.Just my opinion and this was a close one but I guess I'll accept.
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Theodore Duncan
 Portland Trail Blazers
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Post by Theodore Duncan on Jan 5, 2017 12:41:54 GMT -5
accept
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Post by DJ Jazzy Jeff on Jan 5, 2017 12:53:28 GMT -5
reject
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2017 13:01:44 GMT -5
8-2 right now.
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Post by Milt Newton on Jan 5, 2017 16:22:53 GMT -5
I would reject this trade. Reggie will lose out here bigtime
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