PHI-GSW

[Donkey Kong]

PHILADELPHIA 76ERS SEND:
GF 59 Evan Turner $3,488,000
ATL 2017 2nd
Total: $3,488,000

GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS SEND:
PF 42 JaKarr Sampson $980,431 $1,051,245
GSW 2018 1st
Total: $980,431

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Warriors' cap jumps from $72,967,207 to $75,474,776 (< $94,000,000 Salary Cap).

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I am tanking.

[Gregg Popovich]

Accept I could at least use Evan Turner and plus 2017 ATL 2nd is pretty much a 1st Rd pick

[Donkey Kong]

Pete Maravich

Steve Jobs

Colin Loftin

Justin Timberlake

John Stockton

[Steve Jobs]

"Pretty much a first round pick" and actually having your own first round pick are drastically different things. Evan Turner isn't nearly good enough to warrant shuttling out a 1st round pick. Reject.

[Donkey Kong]

Evan Turner comes with BRs and even though, he started slow this season which is why he was lowered from 63 to 59 he came around and is putting decent numbers and playing starting numbers for the Blazers. Plus, he is only 28. And the 2nd round pick is 31 right now in what is supposed to be a good draft.

And Warriors has one of the best rosters in the league.

Really don't see how there is enough reason to reject this one. I was actually not so sure about doing it but went for it because I am tanking.

[Steve Jobs]

Feb 7, 2017 16:38:15 GMT -5 Donkey Kong said:

Evan Turner comes with BRs and even though, he started slow this season which is why he was lowered from 63 to 59 he came around and is putting decent numbers and playing starting numbers for the Blazers. Plus, he is only 28. And the 2nd round pick is 31 right now in what is supposed to be a good draft.

And Warriors has one of the best rosters in the league.

Really don't see how there is enough reason to reject this one. I was actually not so sure about doing it but went for it because I am tanking.

No sorry, you misunderstood me. Evan Turner in real life is no where near good enough to waste a first round pick for. He's putting up "decent" numbers... on a bad team... if you only look at counting stats and ignore all the other "fancy" stuff like PER, BPM, RPM, ORtg/DRtg, WS/48, etc... that all implies he has done absolutely nothing positive for Portland. Evan Turner may not be the smelliest trash in the garbage can, but he's certainly not worth this.

[Justin Timberlake]

Agreed with Steve. Evan Turner, imo does not warrant moving up from the top of the 2nd round to the middle of the 1st. There's even a possibility GS doesn't make the playoffs...

Reject

[Donkey Kong]

12.13 PER right now with much better numbers in the last 10 games. And Blazers is not a terrible team. They are 9th in the West and he played a significant role for the Celtics the year which is why he got his enormous contract with Blazers.

[Steve Jobs]

Feb 7, 2017 16:52:30 GMT -5 Donkey Kong said:

12.13 PER right now with much better numbers in the last 10 games. And Blazers is not a terrible team. They are 9th in the West and he played a significant role for the Celtics the year which is why he got his enormous contract with Blazers.

Oh, wow! 12.13 PER? Include in this assessment his -11 Net Rating, -3.18 RPM, .036 WS/48, -2.5 BPM, -0.2 VORP...

He might be playing better in the last ten games, but his resume so far this season leans far more towards his rating being accurate. He's been very average at best, and absolutely team killing at worst (PACERS?), and right now he is, in my opinion, certifiably not worth this deal.

[Donkey Kong]

TC take things way too far sometimes I think and I don't appreciate mockery.

[Paul Pierce]

There is no reason this trade should be rejected.

[Bastian Pala]

How can this be rejected? I don't get it. Yeah Evan turner isn't the greatest of assets but if GSW is willing to take that chance where is the issue.

[Steve Jobs]

Every team gets some benefit of the doubt, and I'm willing to look past trades I don't agree with -- I accepted the recent "1st for Derrick Rose" trade even though Derrick Rose is terrible because Derrick Rose is legitimately much better than Evan Turner and LAC is so bad that even after a stockwatch there is a very decent chance that Rose actually does have a semi-positive impact on their roster.

GSW on the other hand, is getting back a guy that they do not need, someone who I 100% do NOT think will bring a positive impact to their team, and they're knowingly losing a ton of trade value as a result of the trade... that, to me, is the type of negative move that, if enacted 3-5 times, will almost certainly lead a franchise to "ruin." I reject those trades.

[billy]

It takes three rejects to reject!

[Paul Pierce]

Evan turner pick 31
For pick 20-25 it's only a 6-10 pick difference and the Warriors don't need that pick

[Bastian Pala]

Plus it's GSW 2018 first rounder. I get the sense that this type of trade multiplied by 5 could ruin a team. But the fault is on the warriors GM for not looking further for more talent. Evan turner is trash, but has more value then Jakaar, and his 2018 pick won't help him win a chip this year or next.

[Steve Jobs]

Feb 7, 2017 17:34:31 GMT -5 Paul Pierce said:

Evan turner pick 31
For pick 20-25 it's only a 6-10 pick difference and the Warriors don't need that pick

So if Kwame came to you to trade for one of your players you'd accept Turner+31 as anywhere near comparably valuable to Sampson+GSW 2018 1st?

What if Curry and KAT go down with season ending injuries next year and GSW could choose to do a quick tank but instead they traded that pick for Turner+31 and now they're stuck being bad for a season and get nothing from it except a 12-15th man on a roster that isn't quite ready to contend this year? I just don't understand the backlash here. The difference between best case scenario for the two sides of this trade and worst case scenario for the two sides of this trade is absolutely massive.

[Yao Ming]

Feb 7, 2017 17:21:49 GMT -5 Bastian Pala said:

How can this be rejected? I don't get it. Yeah Evan turner isn't the greatest of assets but if GSW is willing to take that chance where is the issue.

Yao thinks:

Both in real life and here in d720, different GMs value draft picks differently. Different philosophies, or maybe their franchise is or isn't very good at drafting. In the NBA, trades usually aren't vetoed.

In d720, i think the trade committee is here to set the standards of not only a fair trade, but a safe one so franchises don't get ruined. Here, a franchise ruining trade can turn away potential GMs for a long long long time. If you ask me, bad free agent signings are much more likely to ruin franchises than a bad trade (currently, excessive bids aren't scrutinized I believe). But nevertheless, the trade committee needs to exist to preserve the health of our league.

Regarding the trade though, Evan Turner isn't THAT bad of a player in D720. He played in 81 games for me last year in Houston, posting a 17.8 PER (above average). Also had a Estimated Wins Added of +3.0. Note though, that this was before he was stock watched down a few points. But, at age 28, he has the potential to get stock watched back up as he learns the Trail Blazers system and becomes more comfortable in it. That being said, I think this is a fair trade. The Warriors are currently projected to finish at around 8th in the conference. They really need a SF, since Shumpert and Oubre (rated 52) are the only ones who can play SF without being severely out of position. You never know what can happen in the playoffs, as I'm sure I'm not the only one who has seen some ridiculous playoff results in some test sims. So I think moving down in the draft from at best 15, to 32 in order to secure a playoff spot as a bubble team isn't ridiculous at all.

[Yao Ming]

Oh I read the trade wrong, it's a 2018 1st round pick. Given how it's Evan Turner involved and GSW's position in the standings this year, I think it's still a risk worth taking since it could possibly dramatically improve the team's final standings. Also, the further you make in the playoffs, the more leverage you have when it's time to sign free agents who want to win. My point still stands.

[billy]

Old TC still needs to vote on these trades.

John Stockton
Colin Loftin
Steve Jobs
Pete Maravich
Justin Timberlake

[Pete Maravich]

Philadelphia is getting the better of this one.  I'm no fan of Evan Turner but also getting 31 or 32 this year for an estimated mid to late pick 2 years from now allows this to pass my line of acceptability...barely.  


Accept

[Brown Cobb IV]

reject...i aint in tc i dont think, but this trade bad

[John Stockton]

early 2nd rnder in a deep draft vs late 1sr rnder in a shallow draft. accept.

[Gregg Popovich]

Feb 7, 2017 19:55:09 GMT -5 John Stockton said:

early 2nd rnder in a deep draft vs late 1sr rnder in a shallow draft. accept.

thats the way i saw this trade.

evan is leaving this season
and i was gonna drop jakarr if i still had him.

[Steve Jobs]

Aaaaaaand Evan Turner broke his hand. You're welcome for having your best interest in mind, Kwame! :P

[billy]

This is 2-2.

[Colin Loftin]

Feb 7, 2017 20:01:53 GMT -5 Gregg Popovich said:

Feb 7, 2017 19:55:09 GMT -5 John Stockton said:

early 2nd rnder in a deep draft vs late 1sr rnder in a shallow draft. accept.

thats the way i saw this trade.

evan is leaving this season
and i was gonna drop jakarr if i still had him.

I don't think trading a 1st round pick for a half-year of Evan Turner is a good idea. Even without him breaking his hand, that's iffy. Reject for me