Theodore Duncan
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Post by Theodore Duncan on Feb 8, 2017 2:58:55 GMT -5
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Post by Theodore Duncan on Feb 9, 2017 5:32:06 GMT -5
When waiving, I can stretch his contract over double amount of years, right? And if he retires it all goes away regardless of the years left?
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Post by billy on Feb 9, 2017 7:38:17 GMT -5
When waiving, I can stretch his contract over double amount of years, right? And if he retires it all goes away regardless of the years left? Fuck. That's a bad rule interaction. But, yes.
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Post by Theodore Duncan on Feb 9, 2017 10:55:14 GMT -5
When waiving, I can stretch his contract over double amount of years, right? And if he retires it all goes away regardless of the years left? Fuck. That's a bad rule interaction. But, yes. Nice! So... I would like to stretch his contract :) edit.. I don't think this kinda of "loophole" would happen that often anyways. Most of the time players don't retire before their real life contract runs out. That typically goes pretty well with the contract length of D720 contracts within 1-2 years difference max. I don't know who had the smart idea to give here him 5 year deal, since he was already for 33 years old and injury prone.
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Allan Houston
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Post by Allan Houston on Feb 15, 2017 15:57:16 GMT -5
I feel like we talked about this before and decided that if you cut a player, you don't get the benefit of releasing their contract when they retire (or maybe a % of it?)
The reason a guy like Varejao gets 5 years (or like I did with Pierce and Ginobili) is that you get to win a FA auction, but you know that they end of the contract is going to be forgiven. So I could offer Pierce $25M over 5 years and win the auction for him. But I know I'm only actually going to have to pay $5-10 over 1-2 years, a much more palatable prospect.
Not letting someone take advantage of retirement after cutting them addresses the issue a bit, hamstringing the GMs who take advantage of the loophole. It doesn't close it though. What we could do, and what I think we discussed before, is that when a player retires while under contract you "buy them out" and the rest of their contract only costs, say, 50% or 75%. (And that can be stretched if desired). Then GMs will be hesitant to hand out long contracts to old guys in the first place, knowing they'll end up paying for no production at all later in the contract. But it doesn't kill teams caught by surprise retirements.
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Post by Allan Houston on Feb 15, 2017 16:01:28 GMT -5
This is why I haven't cut Pierce, btw.
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Post by Yao Ming on Feb 21, 2017 23:55:27 GMT -5
according to the rules Theodore Duncan, you can stretch "any remaining full years over twice the number of years plus one". So since you waived him this year, I think you can have him on your books even in 2023 lol.
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Post by Theodore Duncan on Feb 22, 2017 2:58:07 GMT -5
Well the reason I would like to stretch and waive him was that I though he would come out of the books anyways after retirement (probably this summer) so I would get few million extra cap space this year. This is how it's now in the rules. But if this has been discussed earlier as Allan writes (before I started as GM), so if I cut him I don't get him off the books after retirement. Because I didn't know about this and it's not mentioned in the rules atm. I think it would be fair to let me reverse the decision to cut and stretch him, and update the rules on the stretch provision and waiving to cover this. Obviously I would not do it if the choice is to not cut him and pay him one (or max two) years full, or to cut him and pay all the remaining years. billy
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Post by billy on Feb 22, 2017 6:38:57 GMT -5
Allan Houston do you happen to remember where this was discussed orevioudly?
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Post by Allan Houston on Feb 22, 2017 13:30:48 GMT -5
I can't find it. It might've been in chat.
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Post by billy on Feb 22, 2017 14:12:18 GMT -5
Let's do it so a retired player's dead money can come off the books -- unless the stretch provision is used.
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Post by Allan Houston on Jun 30, 2017 21:08:18 GMT -5
Theodore Duncan so do you want to stretch him? I just noticed the note in the roster sheet.
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Post by Theodore Duncan on Jul 1, 2017 1:39:18 GMT -5
Theodore Duncan so do you want to stretch him? I just noticed the note in the roster sheet. Not gonna stretch since it was decided he wouldn't come off the books then if retiring. I expect him to retire sometime after August once his real life contract becomes guaranteed :)
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