Steve Jobs
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Post by Steve Jobs on Dec 22, 2017 9:20:35 GMT -5
Remember (I think it was billy 's idea) the proposed draft order reform, of it being based off of guessing who has the worst team? I still think that's a great idea. Then, even rebuilding teams don't want to lose on purpose, because they have an incentive to be better than the team they guessed would be worst. Was the reason we didn't do this because of future picks being traded, or...? And that it's just a flawed premise in the first place, IMO. 1) We have numerous teams who have benefitted tremendously from tanking and are now contending. Taking away a team's ability to go full Hinkie when it's been not only possible, but useful up to this point would be counter intuitive. 2) Whether or not you want to disincentivize losing on purpose, there should be a clear system to keep better teams from having access to higher picks than terrible teams without paying tremendous prices for the opportunity. It makes a lot more sense to continue the "worst teams get the best picks" mentality, even if that means that GMs are actively trying to tank to get there. 3) Necessity of tiebreakers in situations where the worst team is obvious (same would go for guessing the championship winner). 4) Even within the same line of thinking, there would be better options for increasing participation and decreasing likelihood of ties... such as guessing which two teams grab 8th seed in both conferences.
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Paul Pierce
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Post by Paul Pierce on Dec 22, 2017 9:37:06 GMT -5
I don't think we should change the draft order at all. At least until the NBA does it
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Pete Maravich
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Post by Pete Maravich on Dec 22, 2017 9:48:44 GMT -5
Keep the draft but make teams that are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs have a "default" depth chart based solely on ratings.
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Paul Pierce
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Post by Paul Pierce on Dec 22, 2017 9:53:55 GMT -5
Keep the draft but make teams that are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs have a "default" depth chart based solely on ratings. I like this, scal is playing like 6 players
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Post by Justin Timberlake on Dec 22, 2017 10:50:46 GMT -5
Keep the draft but make teams that are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs have a "default" depth chart based solely on ratings. I like this, scal is playing like 6 players Yeah that DC is bogus haha. Perhaps a Scalabrine Amendment in the future about how many guys can be zeroed and a ratings limit to who can be zeroed lol?
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Dec 22, 2017 11:12:42 GMT -5
I like this, scal is playing like 6 players Yeah that DC is bogus haha. Perhaps a Scalabrine Amendment in the future about how many guys can be zeroed and a ratings limit to who can be zeroed lol? To be fair, I'm playing nine players I think, and there already is a limit (58) on players that can be zeroed
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Post by kong on Dec 22, 2017 17:38:00 GMT -5
If you reward worst teams with high picks, their respective GMs would simply wait the entire season for the draft to come. You would be lucky to see them once in a while checking on posts and stuff. That idea = "Freeway to inactivity".
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Steve Jobs
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Post by Steve Jobs on Dec 22, 2017 19:47:02 GMT -5
If you reward worst teams with high picks, their respective GMs would simply wait the entire season for the draft to come. You would be lucky to see them once in a while checking on posts and stuff. That idea = "Freeway to inactivity". Conceptually, I don't disagree with anything you said. In practice, it seems to be very much the opposite... because there are multiple tankers and they all want to compete to be "the worst," they stay as active as the contending teams. Additionally, the GMs with the "patience" to commit to tanking typically 1) have a better long term vision for their team, and 2) have more reason to stick around for multiple years, since they can't see any benefits from their tanking within a short time span. Plenty of teams with great talent and GMs intending to chase a championship lose their GM to inactivity or trade their team into oblivion by having no plan other than "get players with higher ratings so I can win now." Not saying I have a preference one way or the other, just that there is no clear cut answer to keeping GMs active besides lucking into finding a GM that stays active.
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billy
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Post by billy on Dec 22, 2017 20:51:38 GMT -5
Yeah it seems to me the least active GMs are the ones with the teams in the middle. Probably because it takes work to be at the top or the bottom.
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Post by kong on Dec 22, 2017 21:17:23 GMT -5
If you reward worst teams with high picks, their respective GMs would simply wait the entire season for the draft to come. You would be lucky to see them once in a while checking on posts and stuff. That idea = "Freeway to inactivity". Conceptually, I don't disagree with anything you said. In practice, it seems to be very much the opposite... because there are multiple tankers and they all want to compete to be "the worst," they stay as active as the contending teams. I was referring to the fixed draft Scalabrini proposed. Not the way around. :D
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billy
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Post by billy on Dec 22, 2017 21:25:49 GMT -5
#teamWheel
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Dec 23, 2017 3:36:34 GMT -5
Yeah my team is trash and I'm easily in the top ten most active, maybe top five.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Dec 23, 2017 4:04:21 GMT -5
Speaking of tanking teams being active... Two way contracts? I feel like we could pretty seamlessly integrate this, as outlined in my post on the first page. It would incentivize some more activity, and it would add value to second round picks. Moreover, smart contending teams could benefit as well--these guys become backups after the trade deadline, when you have rotation players lose a lot of games to injury.
As long as you can never exceed two two-way contracts, I think this would be slick. Make them vet min level salary, able to be signed for one or two years. If you have an open roster spot, you can sign them for the rest of the year. If not, they become rfas when their contract is up.
I think this is smart for the league--it would work in tandem with the existing system for second rounders.
Example 1:
TOR has three unsigned second rounders at the moment, Thornwell, Oliver, and Rabb.
If two ways existed, let's say I sign Thornwell and Rabb as two way contracts. Halfway through the season, Oliver breaks into an NBA rotation (which I think might happen BTW) so TOR releases rabb on waivers to sign oliver on a two-way. NYK picks rabb up on waivers, and at the end of the season DJ goes down with an injury. Someone from nyk's rotation slides into the starting lineup, and Rabb fills that player's former role. Maybe Rabb IRL has benefited from injuries in the grizzlies, and gets a SW update, plays 10 min a game for NYK'S playoff push. Anything can happen.
Example 2:
In light of Cam Oliver's breakout season, TOR waives Joel Bolomboy to sign Cam Oliver for the rest of the season. Now, maybe we don't have bird rights in him come the off-season (IDK the IRL rules on that) but we're a team with cap space, and we gave him his big break into D720, so we feel confident that he'll resign with us.
If we were a contending team with a full salary cap, maybe we can't resign him, but he provides important minute for us as we make our playoff push.
Overall I think this league strives to get as close to the experience of an NBA GM as possible--and now two way contracts are a part of that reality. D720 should reflect that. IRL, two-ways have made second round picks more valuable. Now, if a contending team holds onto their second, they aren't just drafting a guy to get cut a week before the season. They're drafting someone who down the line can be a spot role player to fill in when someone on their squad is out.
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Post by kong on Feb 27, 2018 22:53:48 GMT -5
Ok, so I got a hyper mega hot stuff proposal that I would like to share.
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Post by kong on Feb 27, 2018 23:01:39 GMT -5
Just in case. I put some jokes in there. Just saying it because some might think I am being 100% serious or whatever, lol.
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Post by Stuff The Magic Dragon on Feb 28, 2018 0:07:02 GMT -5
Just in case. I put some jokes in there. Just saying it because some might think I am being 100% serious or whatever, lol. are you not?
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billy
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Post by billy on Feb 28, 2018 9:13:28 GMT -5
I want to do this.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Feb 28, 2018 12:45:32 GMT -5
I'm down, I'm about 100% sure I'd get a free second out of it
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billy
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Post by billy on Feb 28, 2018 13:04:34 GMT -5
I'm down, I'm about 100% sure I'd get a free second out of it Ah right, we don't even need nominations!
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Post by kong on Feb 28, 2018 13:11:14 GMT -5
Actually, I got a "Worst trade contest" 2.0 proposal:
The top 3 that go to the poll get a complimentary 2nd. The poll determines the order of the picks. I think it is fair not to have people showing bad trades to the rest for nothing.
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Post by kong on Feb 28, 2018 13:24:09 GMT -5
But that is optional really. Same as having a poll. My basic initial idea was that it would be cool if the GM with the worst accepted trade could get a 2nd for it if he wanted to.
I also though it wouldn't need to be a huge embarrassment for the winner because it would be based on a trade approved by the trade committee meaning the whole league. :P
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Mar 1, 2018 2:23:49 GMT -5
But that is optional really. Same as having a poll. My basic initial idea was that it would be cool if the GM with the worst accepted trade could get a 2nd for it if he wanted to. I also though it wouldn't need to be a huge embarrassment for the winner because it would be based on a trade approved by the trade committee meaning the whole league. :P Just give it to me already. No competition.
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Theodore Duncan
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Post by Theodore Duncan on Jul 7, 2018 3:38:32 GMT -5
Maybe not possible for this offseason, but for next maybe.. Early Bird rights.
"Whereas the Bird exception requires a player to spend three seasons with his club without being waived or changing teams as a free agent, Early Bird rights are earned after just two such seasons."
I think having EBR for every player like in NBA would be difficult, but I think for minimum contract players it would work nicely.
e.g. Player that has been on a team for 2 years in minimum deal. Then the team gets EBR which allows them to offer a salary of maximum 1.5xmin for one year (or 1+1) to keep the player. Even if the team is over the cap. After that third year they would get the full BR anyways. This would give teams bit more advantages on bringing their min guys back for another season, whic often happends IRL. As it is now giving out minimum deals in the end of FA is just about who is fastest on posting the signing thread. There is no negotiation or voting for which team is the best fit. I think this would mostly be applied to veteran ring chacers on minimum deals. Any young good players who were on minimum deals, would probably get higher offers than the EBR 1.5xmin anyways.
Edit. Maybe the standard EBR offer could be 1+1 for the 1.5xmin. So it atleast it beats the 2year min in guaranteed money.
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Allan Houston
New York Knicks
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Post by Allan Houston on Jul 8, 2018 21:53:53 GMT -5
I'd be into non-Bird and Early Bird in theory, but it'll be hard to track and might be too confusing for a portion of the league.
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Theodore Duncan
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Post by Theodore Duncan on Jul 9, 2018 1:55:16 GMT -5
I'd be into non-Bird and Early Bird in theory, but it'll be hard to track and might be too confusing for a portion of the league. Yep. I thought about the tracking problems. That's why my suggestion would be to have it applied only to very limited number of players..players in minimum contracts for two years. But of course still it would need some kind of extra color or column in the roster page to keep track
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billy
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Post by billy on Jul 9, 2018 6:17:34 GMT -5
I'd be into non-Bird and Early Bird in theory, but it'll be hard to track and might be too confusing for a portion of the league. What are you saying Allan.... barksdale
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jul 10, 2018 14:58:34 GMT -5
TWO WAY CONTRACTS
JUST IN CASE ANYONE WAS WONDERING IF I STILL THINK THEY COULD HAVE A PLACE IN THIS LEAGUE.
TWO WAY CONTRACTS
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Jackie Kong
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Post by Jackie Kong on Nov 29, 2018 20:36:21 GMT -5
I have an idea for FA bidding.
Once you get a FA 24 hours after your last valid bid you get 24 more hours to change the structure of the contract you offered as long as it is still valid and the total money is the same.
Why?
For example, It easier for a team to offer $3M x 4 than $4M, $3.5, $2.5M, $2M. Also, maths are more straight forward and teams can make a bid without giving others any idea on how they should structure their deals.
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Post by Stuff The Magic Dragon on Dec 6, 2018 5:13:55 GMT -5
I would like to suggest that we create a Waiver Order based on previous season's standing. Wherein each team to successfully claim a player will have to go to the bottom of the order. y'all get what I'm saying.
e.g. 1. TOR 2. MIL 3,4,5,6..... 30. NYK
]the team who ranks highest among the claimers will get the player if TOR successfully claims a player placed on waivers, he'll be that #30 in the order, everyone else move up.
This will prevent teams from claiming everyone lol
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Ben Wallace
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Post by Ben Wallace on Jan 4, 2019 0:22:10 GMT -5
I think it'd be cool to have a team history thread/page, make it short enough to fit an entire division into one post and have it as one thread in the League Records folder. Some basic information like manager history (who were here for 30+ days or something?), overall record, playoff record, most games played by a player, most points scored in franchise history, etc. (these stats might be a headache to get), as detailed or basic as we want it.
edit: I remember when I first joined I was kind of confused about the Piston's history and had to dig through old trade threads and league history posts to even realize we had won a championship before. More than that, it could really help build league lore.
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