Logan Hough
Memphis Grizzlies
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Post by Logan Hough on Mar 14, 2017 18:43:10 GMT -5
Memphis Grizzlies trade:
69 LaMarcus Aldridge $18,947,852 $20,670,384 $22,392,916(PO) $24,115,448
Salary In: $13,071,800 Salary Out: $18,947,852
Salary Before: $93,777,485 Salary After: $87,901,433
New Orleans Pelicans trade:
61 J.R. Smith $12,000,000 $12,600,000 $13,300,000 $14,000,000 $14,600,000(PO) 57 Rondae Hollis-Jefferson $1,071,800 $1,118,000(TO) $2,013,518(TO) $2,957,858(QO)
Salary In: $18,947,852 Salary Out: $13,071,800
Salary Before: $87,470,084 Salary After: $93,346,136
I Accept. This will allow me to start Plumlee and make better use of my PF depth. I will now have a replacement for Lavine, and a true backup to Melo.
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billy
Miami Heat
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Post by billy on Mar 14, 2017 18:51:29 GMT -5
I'm willing to take this risk. Accept.
I hope Aldridge's heart doesn't explode.
All doctors and doctors-in-training should vote on this trade!
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Paul Pierce
Chicago Bulls
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Post by Paul Pierce on Mar 14, 2017 21:15:20 GMT -5
Accept, Billy gets a great player in Aldriddge who can help his team if he stays healthy. Logan gets a decent prospect in RHJ and Smith who can replace Lavine
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Post by Justin Timberlake on Mar 14, 2017 21:55:24 GMT -5
I'm going to hold on voting until Aldridge's heart is a bit more clear. This is something he's dealt with before from my knowledge so I don't think we have a Bosh 2.0...but just want to make sure.
Right now I'm not really sure I see this one. Idk if Rondae and a bad JR contract (who just came back from injury irl) is enough for Aldridge
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Post by John Stockton on Mar 14, 2017 22:12:54 GMT -5
I'm going to hold on voting until Aldridge's heart is a bit more clear. This is something he's dealt with before from my knowledge so I don't think we have a Bosh 2.0...but just want to make sure. Right now I'm not really sure I see this one. Idk if Rondae and a bad JR contract (who just came back from injury irl) is enough for Aldridge agree on all points. this is an overreaction.
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Post by Colin Loftin on Mar 15, 2017 10:56:56 GMT -5
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Post by Yao Ming on Mar 15, 2017 13:31:05 GMT -5
I'm going to hold on voting until Aldridge's heart is a bit more clear. This is something he's dealt with before from my knowledge so I don't think we have a Bosh 2.0...but just want to make sure. Right now I'm not really sure I see this one. Idk if Rondae and a bad JR contract (who just came back from injury irl) is enough for Aldridge I'm actually holding off for the opposite reason. Even if Aldridge is 100% healthy, there's a chance he's on a steep decline with his age. His style of play is not as sustainable long term as JR's. In terms of contracts, I think that Aldridge's is as much as a risk as JR's. RHJ's career outlook seems to be all over the place depending on who you ask, but he has a very friendly contract for the next 4 years or so. To me it'd be hard to determine the actual value of the players since they're either really young or really old but have not declined significantly yet. Plus there's Aldridge's heart. It doesn't seem to unfair, and i don't think it'd decimate a franchise (worst comes to worst, a bad contract for a few years), so I'm leaning closer to voting on yes. I'll wait and see what others have to say though
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Allan Houston
New York Knicks
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Post by Allan Houston on Mar 15, 2017 15:43:43 GMT -5
I'm going to accept for the reasons Yao laid out. There's about equal argument to be made that LMA's contract is bad as there is that JR's is bad. RHJ is definitely an asset on that contract, but not in a way that NOP can't recover from losing him. It'll barely register unless he hits the higher part of his projection when he's making $2M two years from now.
I do want to point out though, if LMA's heart condition turns out to be career ending at some point (which seems unlikely) he'll likely retire instead of pulling a Chris Bosh, so that contract would come off the books.
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Logan Hough
Memphis Grizzlies
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Post by Logan Hough on Mar 15, 2017 23:05:44 GMT -5
Yea just to clarify, I was not making this trade hoping(or even thinking) that Aldridge's heart would explode. I've been attempting to trade him for a while now to make better use of my roster. My team isn't living up to my expectations so I felt some kind of move was in order.
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Theodore Duncan
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Post by Theodore Duncan on Mar 16, 2017 1:50:44 GMT -5
RHJ has been pretty bad this year, so I think Memphis is getting shanked here value wise. LMA's contract won't be great either towards the end, but I'm pretty confident that within Spurs system he can stay effective for another 3 years easily. But I see also Logan's reasoning for the trade. I hate this for Memphis, but I don't think that there is enough reasons to reject. Accept
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Post by Justin Timberlake on Mar 16, 2017 12:32:12 GMT -5
Probably won't matter but as I expressed before I think this is a bit too lop sided. Even with the heart condition, I think LMA will be able to age well. JR is a negative asset in the aggregate imo and Rondae hasn't shown enough to make the difference.
Reject
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Steve Jobs
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Post by Steve Jobs on Mar 16, 2017 12:55:24 GMT -5
Yeah, suggesting LMA's game won't age well despite being one of the closest comparisons to Dirk in the league, and one of the few players that can thrive in the mid-range without exposing his body to too much banging in the post, is just strange reasoning to me. LMA is certainly not an All-Star... this year, but that doesn't mean he'll never get back there. And his contract is less than a full 25% max for at least a few more years, and reasonable at worst beyond that. On the flip side, JR smith is already turning back into trash and RHJ, as much as I like him, is not valuable enough for me to feel like this is great for Memphis.
On top of that, The Grizzlies might be the team with the most on the line in 2-3 years based on who is in their core... I acknowledge we can't keep Logan from trying to move on from that core, but it doesn't mean he shouldn't look for more than this.
I'm going to reject as well.
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Post by John Stockton on Mar 16, 2017 13:23:29 GMT -5
rejecto mundo
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Logan Hough
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Post by Logan Hough on Mar 16, 2017 15:04:42 GMT -5
LMA is certainly not an All-Star... this year, but that doesn't mean he'll never get back there. Some portion of 720 thinks that is not true, seeing as he was voted down as low as he was. I personally agree with Steve, LMA just has a different role on the Spurs than he did in earlier years. But I'm working with the ratings the players are assigned. I posted him up on the trade block and got no bites, after directly contacting some owners about trades. I don't see LMA trade value much higher than this, but again, I could be wrong. I might not have given it enough time. As far as my core goes, I still have Anthony/Griffin, with no plans to trade them. Blake isn't even that old. I hope Lavine comes back strong but he will almost certainly not be there for the start of the season; JR would have value past this year for me. I realize its not a great contract, but it is less impactful on my salary cap than Aldridge's. If the majority think this is a bad trade, so be it. I'm just not sure anyone in 720 values Aldridge much more than this.
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Post by Yao Ming on Mar 16, 2017 20:13:27 GMT -5
Going to choose to accept this trade. Player value aside, JR's contract just doesn't seem that bad to me.
Also, I think it's very unfair (not of Steve, but people in general) to relate LMA's offensive game to Dirk's. LMA is definitely less of a shooter than Dirk. Playing styles that feature a jump shot (Dirk, Kobe) rely less on athleticism. On average: shooting should result in prolonged relevancy in the NBA compared to driving to the net or attacking from the post, since there is more physicality as you get closer to the hoop. With that reasoning, these shot percentages support my argument that on his current pace, LMA won't come close to matching Dirk's longevity in the NBA.
LaMarcus Aldridge's Career Averages of Field Goal Attempts by Distance
% of shots taken within 10 feet: 44.6% % of shots taken within 16 feet: 64.6%
Dirk's Career Averages of Field Goal Attempts by Distance
% of shots taken within 10 feet: 23% % of shots taken within 16 feet: 48%
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Steve Jobs
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Post by Steve Jobs on Mar 16, 2017 20:56:13 GMT -5
Going to choose to accept this trade. Player value aside, JR's contract just doesn't seem that bad to me. Also, I think it's very unfair (not of Steve, but people in general) to relate LMA's offensive game to Dirk's. LMA is definitely less of a shooter than Dirk. Playing styles that feature a jump shot (Dirk, Kobe) rely less on athleticism. On average: shooting should result in prolonged relevancy in the NBA compared to driving to the net or attacking from the post, since there is more physicality as you get closer to the hoop. With that reasoning, these shot percentages support my argument that on his current pace, LMA won't come close to matching Dirk's longevity in the NBA. LaMarcus Aldridge's Career Averages of Field Goal Attempts by Distance % of shots taken within 10 feet: 44.6% % of shots taken within 16 feet: 64.6% Dirk's Career Averages of Field Goal Attempts by Distance % of shots taken within 10 feet: 23% % of shots taken within 16 feet: 48% A) I said the closest comparison, not that he was exactly the same or that he would have exactly the same longevity. B) % of shots within 3 feet is a far better indicator of whether a big doesn't base their game on a jump shot. Your evidence shows that Dirk relied on shots from >16 ft (aka he has better range) but not that he relied all that much more on his jump shot. For instance, Aldridge has shot 24.2% of his shots from 0-3 ft, while Dwight Howard has shot 58.6% of his shots from that range. Dirk's percentage of shots from 0-3 ft is 14.5%. Obviously Aldridge is much closer to one than the other. A player that shoots <70% of the shots from within 10 feet has a reliable jumper and uses it consistently. (Again, for reference, Vucevic is known for having and using his mid-range jumper, and his 0-3 percentage is 31.2). My point here being, the 7 feet from 3-10 can be used for anything... those numbers don't necessarily prove anything about how a player utilizes the jumper. Aldridge has a great one, and uses it consistently, which means even if he only last to about 37, he'll outlive this current contract and still be able to do his thing. C) JR is CURRENTLY 31, injury prone, and he's not performing very well at all this season. Not saying that can't change, but the chances of him being worth his contract are next to nothing compared to Aldridge.
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billy
Miami Heat
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Post by billy on Mar 19, 2017 21:22:23 GMT -5
Can we get another vote here?
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Steve Jobs
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Post by Steve Jobs on Mar 19, 2017 21:41:15 GMT -5
I'm going to go ahead and switch my vote.
Value wise, this is no where near enough for Aldridge. But ultimately, I might know better than anyone in the league exactly how averse the league is "big" contracts at the moment. Aldridge is old enough and "expensive" enough that if Logan thinks it's time to move on and Billy thinks he would help his team, I trust both GMs enough to give them the benefit of the doubt in spite of the value difference. RHJ has legitimate upside, and the value inherent in having him behind Melo (especially if his first contract after RFA is pretty affordable) isn't something I feel like I can ignore for Logan's benefit. Also, Mason Plumlee is a guy who I like a lot, and whose passing prowess as a center in the starting line upwill really complement Melo+Blake who will naturally dominate the scoring anyway. I've always considered Aldridge a bit redundant on that team, and while I personally don't think I'd settle for this price, I think that my personal feelings don't warrant a reject here.
Again, I stand by every argument I made about the value difference. I just reconsidered my reasoning behind how much my evaluations should affect my decision in regards to the trade. If Logan and Billy both want to make this trade, they should probably be able to. Neither franchise will be ruined as a result. Reject -> Accept.
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Post by Julius Erving on Mar 20, 2017 8:33:14 GMT -5
First trade I vote on? I'll accept, Aldridge is more or less declining than getting better but is still a solid PF.Memphis now gets a chance to utilize Plumlee better at the 4/5 spot instead and RHJ is a solid young backup for Melo.Memphis clears a bit of cap too so trading for Smith doesn't make their cap worse and adds shooting for their team (not that Blake and Melo don't shoot anyways lol).I don't think anything is super wrong with this trade, it makes each team better in a different way.
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Post by Yao Ming on Mar 20, 2017 12:53:49 GMT -5
trade passed. thanks for the input everyone
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