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Post by John Stockton on Apr 30, 2017 11:26:17 GMT -5
 UTAH JAZZ SEND: 2017 SEA 2nd for  SEATTLE SUPERONICS SEND: Kris Humphries $940,000 $940,000 Seattle accepts this trade. Kris isn't getting much playing time atm and Utah could use a back up big man. |
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Post by John Stockton on Apr 30, 2017 11:26:40 GMT -5
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Post by DJ Jazzy Jeff on Apr 30, 2017 11:29:50 GMT -5
I accept. I get a big that I need and give Seattle back his 2nd round pick
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Post by billy on Apr 30, 2017 13:43:58 GMT -5
Humphries just got re rated, you know that right?
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Post by DJ Jazzy Jeff on Apr 30, 2017 13:48:55 GMT -5
He was rated a 60 this morning, can we rescind this trade? A 5 point drop on a stock watch is pretty significant
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Post by billy on Apr 30, 2017 13:55:39 GMT -5
He was rated a 60 this morning, can we rescind this trade? A 5 point drop on a stock watch is pretty significant Yeah I think it's okay since John Stockton explicitly left the rating out of the post you accepted. |
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Post by Paul Pierce on Apr 30, 2017 14:02:37 GMT -5
He was rated a 60 this morning, can we rescind this trade? A 5 point drop on a stock watch is pretty significant Yeah I think it's okay since John Stockton explicitly left the rating out of the post you accepted. sneaky |
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Post by billy on Apr 30, 2017 14:06:21 GMT -5
Keep in mind though you usually can't rescind a trade after it has been accepted.
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Post by John Stockton on Apr 30, 2017 14:30:56 GMT -5
He was rated a 60 this morning, can we rescind this trade? A 5 point drop on a stock watch is pretty significant Yeah I think it's okay since John Stockton explicitly left the rating out of the post you accepted. i did that because at the time i posted this trade, the new rating had not been decided yet... |
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Post by billy on Apr 30, 2017 15:24:51 GMT -5
I think this is a great time to implement a rule that people on the RC cannot trade or trade for a player currently getting stock watched.
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Post by John Stockton on Apr 30, 2017 16:14:54 GMT -5
not sure if this trade shouldn't be rescinded since I initially posted this thread 4 hours ago, an hour prior to the rating for Kris Humphries being posted in the ratings committee thread.
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Post by John Stockton on Apr 30, 2017 16:18:39 GMT -5
i.e. during negotiations, we were both operating under the same amount of information given that DJ Jazzy Jeff knew that Kris Humphries was being stock watched
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Post by Steve Jobs on Apr 30, 2017 16:52:31 GMT -5
Frankly, I don't agree with either argument here. Obviously John has some truth to his point that the trade was posted before the rating; however, to pretend that a GM on the ratings committee doesn't have access to more information about SW voting than a GM who is not would be disingenuous.
On the flip side... GMs in the ratings committee can't trade a player who is currently being SWed? Why? The current or future rating is explicitly stated to NOT be a deciding factor for voting, for this exact reason. Trading for a player who is currently rated at 60 but clearly overrated, and having the player get SWed afterwards is no different than trading concurrent with a SW. If a GM tries to acquire an obviously overrated player under the hopes that they stay that way and actively help their team in the playoffs, they are fully accepting the risk that the player will get SWed into oblivion and be a waste of an asset. That alone should discourage a GM even accepting a trade like this. If Humphries was in the middle of a stockwatch and Jazzy didn't pay enough attention to know that and assume he'd be dropping dramatically based on REAL LIFE performance, that's his own fault.
All things considered:
1) I don't think this trade should be rescinded because it was obviously accepted with full knowledge that Kris is not a legitimate bench player (~58-61)) in the NBA anymore, or complete failure to research said facts.
2) I do think this trade should be voted on and that it should not be considered strange for voting GMs to reject on the grounds that the value is not fair.
3) John should be ashamed of himself for his arguments against rescinding (tsk, tsk), but not for any of his actions in negotiating or posting the trade.
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Post by billy on May 1, 2017 9:02:55 GMT -5
Frankly, I don't agree with either argument here. Obviously John has some truth to his point that the trade was posted before the rating; however, to pretend that a GM on the ratings committee doesn't have access to more information about SW voting than a GM who is not would be disingenuous. On the flip side... GMs in the ratings committee can't trade a player who is currently being SWed? Why? The current or future rating is explicitly stated to NOT be a deciding factor for voting, for this exact reason. Trading for a player who is currently rated at 60 but clearly overrated, and having the player get SWed afterwards is no different than trading concurrent with a SW. If a GM tries to acquire an obviously overrated player under the hopes that they stay that way and actively help their team in the playoffs, they are fully accepting the risk that the player will get SWed into oblivion and be a waste of an asset. That alone should discourage a GM even accepting a trade like this. If Humphries was in the middle of a stockwatch and Jazzy didn't pay enough attention to know that and assume he'd be dropping dramatically based on REAL LIFE performance, that's his own fault. All things considered: 1) I don't think this trade should be rescinded because it was obviously accepted with full knowledge that Kris is not a legitimate bench player (~58-61)) in the NBA anymore, or complete failure to research said facts. 2) I do think this trade should be voted on and that it should not be considered strange for voting GMs to reject on the grounds that the value is not fair. 3) John should be ashamed of himself for his arguments against rescinding (tsk, tsk), but not for any of his actions in negotiating or posting the trade. I think you're right here. DJ Jazzy Jeff you did know Humphries was getting stock watched, you even voted. So I think I'm gonna un-reject this trade for now and allow it to be voted on. |
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Post by DJ Jazzy Jeff on May 1, 2017 9:25:44 GMT -5
In my discussion with John, he listed Humphries as a 60. I did vote but do I remember that Humphries was someone I voted on? No. Maybe something we can do is put an asterisk next to a players rating on the spreadsheet to denote that hes being stockwatched Yao Ming |
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Post by Steve Jobs on May 1, 2017 13:37:26 GMT -5
In my discussion with John, he listed Humphries as a 60. I did vote but do I remember that Humphries was someone I voted on? No. Maybe something we can do is put an asterisk next to a players rating on the spreadsheet to denote that hes being stockwatched Yao Ming The stockwatch itself is irrelevant. Is Kris Humphries a 60 in your mind? I'd guess not. And if you don't consider him a 60 and you were willing to trade a 2nd for him under the hope that he stayed incorrectly rated as a 60 and helped your bench depth, that must be a risk you were willing to take. During the trading process, both the GMs negotiating a trade and the voters on the trade should be actively considering what a player SHOULD be rated, rather than what they are CURRENTLY rated. Otherwise, a 72 rated Chris Bosh that can't even physically play in the NBA anymore would be an enormously valuable asset instead of a player literally no one was willing to touch. I'm not saying we can't use your asterisk idea, I just don't see how it would/should change anything. |
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Post by DJ Jazzy Jeff on May 1, 2017 13:41:04 GMT -5
Fair enough, can we get some votes on this?
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Post by Yao Ming on May 1, 2017 14:12:52 GMT -5
In my discussion with John, he listed Humphries as a 60. I did vote but do I remember that Humphries was someone I voted on? No. Maybe something we can do is put an asterisk next to a players rating on the spreadsheet to denote that hes being stockwatched Yao Ming |
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Post by Allan Houston on May 1, 2017 14:50:04 GMT -5
I can put in asterisks, but I agree with Steve. Their current rating shouldn't matter as much as what you think the rating should be. I mean, if instead of opening a stock watch for Humphries a week ago, he was stock watched tomorrow after this trade goes through, the effect would be the same and would be entirely by the book. Though RC committee member do get privileged information, in that they have a better idea what the resulting rating will actually be, and that shouldn't be abused.
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Post by DJ Jazzy Jeff on May 2, 2017 11:51:17 GMT -5
votes please
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Post by Justin Timberlake on May 2, 2017 12:09:08 GMT -5
I wouldn't pay anything for Humphries, but this is the 60th pick so it's one of the lowest valued assets. Not going to do any harm either way. Accept
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Post by Julius Erving on May 2, 2017 12:27:27 GMT -5
I wouldn't pay anything for Humphries, but this is the 60th pick so it's one of the lowest valued assets. Not going to do any harm either way. Accept Isaiah Thomas disagrees :P |
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Post by White Mamba on May 2, 2017 14:11:07 GMT -5
Sure I'll accept. Not a team breaking trade by any stretch
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Post by John Stockton on May 4, 2017 16:29:25 GMT -5
VOTES, WE NEED DEMS
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Post by Jamario Moon on May 5, 2017 1:59:16 GMT -5
Accept, neither humpries or this pick is affecting these teams or the league much anytime soon
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Post by billy on May 7, 2017 8:39:10 GMT -5
passed on time
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Post by Yao Ming on May 7, 2017 12:49:01 GMT -5
Trade passed!
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