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Post by Julius Erving on Jun 23, 2017 18:13:28 GMT -5
The Philadelphia 76ers trade: - Draft Rights to Lonzo Ball (#2) The Portland Trailblazers trade: - 2017 1st (#7) - (63) Cody Zeller $5,318,313 ~ $7,014,855- 2017 2nd (#37) I accept. I get a lower pick that should still be able to get me a player with really good potential and I get Cody Zeller who will be a good frontcourt partner to pair with TT. I'm not sure what I'll do with the 2nd just yet but I may draft a certain player to add to my depth or trade it for something more beneficial. Theodore Duncan verdict please!
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Post by Brown Cobb IV on Jun 23, 2017 19:43:49 GMT -5
I am away for 2 months and this is the shit I come back to
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Post by Theodore Duncan on Jun 23, 2017 22:53:14 GMT -5
Accept. I don't think there is big drop in potential between picks 2 and 7, but the tier 2 guy that I can get with the 7th won't be a pass first PG like Lonzo. And I really need a PG
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Post by Allan Houston on Jun 23, 2017 23:31:10 GMT -5
Let's suppose the trade for Leuer is rejected and the Gasol trade goes through. Plus the trade of ATL's 2nd for NYK's and GSW's 2nds is already accepted I think.
That means PHI will have under contract Harden, Lillard, Galloway, Hardaway, Casspi, McGee, Clark, Tolliver, TT, Abrines. That's 10 guys. Nance for sure deserves his TO, that's 11. Grant, with RFA status, is 12. Stauskas is probably safe to get his TO, but to be conservative, let's assume you let him go.
So going into the draft, you got 12 guys on your likely 2017-18 roster. You make this trade, you now have Zeller (13), #7 (14), and #37 (15). That's a full roster right there. Meanwhile, you still have NYK's, GSW's, DAL's, and CHO's second round picks. So you either have to draft and stash ALL those picks, or essentially lose those assets completely. That's not to mention the up to $10M in cap space, depending on Grant's contract. Even if you do draft and stash all them (which itself reduces the values of the assets, just not to 0), this dilemma is just going to come up again next year (I'm not going to do all the counting again, but I'm confident)
I'm not going to vote yet, considering other dominoes have to fall for my assumptions to become true. It's also possible that there are more trades incoming. That said, I'm pretty wary of a new GM trying to make as many aggressive moves as Julius is doing now. I worry he doesn't have the full picture in mind, and I don't want another Doc. I'm generally very laissez-faire, and as long as he has Harden, PHI will be ok. But there's a pattern of behavior here that worries me.
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Post by Theodore Duncan on Jun 24, 2017 0:36:58 GMT -5
Now that Fox is still available at 7, this is a huge overpay from me for a small upgrade on point guard prospect. But that was a risk I knew was out there
I'm still willing to go through this. Can we get some votes quickly since pick 7 is now on the clock?
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Post by Paul Pierce on Jun 24, 2017 0:40:23 GMT -5
I'm actually changing my vote to an accept now haha. Fox to me can end up being better than ball but ZO will fit good in Portland
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jun 24, 2017 3:01:48 GMT -5
I don't love this... But I think I'm going to accept. Only because I think that at seven Fox and Monk are both good picks who are less valuable than Lonzo, but their upside is high enough that PHI can take a calculated risk, I think. Zeller is a good piece, so opting for him + an impact rookie with good potential seems like a reasonable win now move if PHI likes the guy at seven.
However, I think Julius could get more for Lonzo for sure.
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Post by billy on Jun 24, 2017 5:53:37 GMT -5
this trade is a fucking joke
but I accept because I like theodore more than julius.
julius needs to get fucked once or twice so he will stop fucking himself, I guess.
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Post by billy on Jun 24, 2017 6:23:48 GMT -5
So going into the draft, you got 12 guys on your likely 2017-18 roster. You make this trade, you now have Zeller (13), #7 (14), and #37 (15). That's a full roster right there. Meanwhile, you still have NYK's, GSW's, DAL's, and CHO's second round picks. So you either have to draft and stash ALL those picks, or essentially lose those assets completely. That's not to mention the up to $10M in cap space, depending on Grant's contract. Even if you do draft and stash all them (which itself reduces the values of the assets, just not to 0), this dilemma is just going to come up again next year (I'm not going to do all the counting again, but I'm confident) I'm not going to vote yet, considering other dominoes have to fall for my assumptions to become true. It's also possible that there are more trades incoming. That said, I'm pretty wary of a new GM trying to make as many aggressive moves as Julius is doing now. I worry he doesn't have the full picture in mind, and I don't want another Doc. I'm generally very laissez-faire, and as long as he has Harden, PHI will be ok. But there's a pattern of behavior here that worries me. We don't even have draft and stash for the 2nd rounders. It only applies to 1st rounders since they "assume their contracts when they enter the NBA". 2nd rounders HAVE to be signed in the signing thread before next years draft. |
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Post by billy on Jun 24, 2017 6:43:05 GMT -5
I normally send a PM to the TC members, but since this is our first offseason without a set TC, I'll just say it here, but we normally try to be more lenient during the draft. Trades that would not normally go through that involve someone trading up or down that aren't franchise ruining should be allowed to pass. Having very variable grades on a draft board is a fact of life and the value that a GM has pegged on who is currently available can reasonably vary wildly. It's not like these guys have played in the NBA yet and we can say for sure that a trade is terrible.
Though Theodore makes out like a bandit here, I don't think Philly is much worse off after this deal than they were this season -- remember they won the lottery from the 6th position. Theodore gains 5 spots in the draft, and Julius Erving gains Cody Zeller and #37 . Of course there's an obvious winner, but I don't think you can view Zeller, 37, and whoever he gets at 7 as a "loss" of an offseason for Philly. Certainly a head-scratching trade to make, but it is what it is.
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Post by billy on Jun 24, 2017 6:51:43 GMT -5
There are people to pick here at 7 that I would rather have than Lonzo Ball. Just saying. They aren't Fox, but they are still available.
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Post by Allan Houston on Jun 24, 2017 8:34:13 GMT -5
So going into the draft, you got 12 guys on your likely 2017-18 roster. You make this trade, you now have Zeller (13), #7 (14), and #37 (15). That's a full roster right there. Meanwhile, you still have NYK's, GSW's, DAL's, and CHO's second round picks. So you either have to draft and stash ALL those picks, or essentially lose those assets completely. That's not to mention the up to $10M in cap space, depending on Grant's contract. Even if you do draft and stash all them (which itself reduces the values of the assets, just not to 0), this dilemma is just going to come up again next year (I'm not going to do all the counting again, but I'm confident) I'm not going to vote yet, considering other dominoes have to fall for my assumptions to become true. It's also possible that there are more trades incoming. That said, I'm pretty wary of a new GM trying to make as many aggressive moves as Julius is doing now. I worry he doesn't have the full picture in mind, and I don't want another Doc. I'm generally very laissez-faire, and as long as he has Harden, PHI will be ok. But there's a pattern of behavior here that worries me. We don't even have draft and stash for the 2nd rounders. It only applies to 1st rounders since they "assume their contracts when they enter the NBA". 2nd rounders HAVE to be signed in the signing thread before next years draft. "The draft rights of 2nd Rounders who do not instantly play in the NBA must be secured by signing them in the provided threads. The salaries are not paid until the player joins the NBA." |
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Post by billy on Jun 24, 2017 8:38:43 GMT -5
We don't even have draft and stash for the 2nd rounders. It only applies to 1st rounders since they "assume their contracts when they enter the NBA". 2nd rounders HAVE to be signed in the signing thread before next years draft. "The draft rights of 2nd Rounders who do not instantly play in the NBA must be secured by signing them in the provided threads. The salaries are not paid until the player joins the NBA." Nice, I'm cooler than I thought. |
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Post by John Stockton on Jun 24, 2017 10:56:13 GMT -5
Reject cuz this trade sucks for Philadelphia. doesn't make sense value wise or for his team
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Post by Brown Cobb IV on Jun 24, 2017 12:34:22 GMT -5
dont suually vote, but to speed things up, reject, dont like the value
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Post by Julius Erving on Jun 24, 2017 13:25:54 GMT -5
The reason I want to do this trade isn't because of LaVar Ball ( contrary to popular belief) but in my opinion I think Fox is going to be a better player than Lonzo as long as Sacramento doesn't fuck up the development of their younger players. But I'm not a Psychic so I really don't know I just think that if there is a gap between Lonzo and Fox it's not that far apart.
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Post by John Stockton on Jun 24, 2017 15:48:21 GMT -5
The reason I want to do this trade isn't because of LaVar Ball ( contrary to popular belief) but in my opinion I think Fox is going to be a better player than Lonzo as long as Sacramento doesn't fuck up the development of their younger players. But I'm not a Psychic so I really don't know I just think that if there is a gap between Lonzo and Fox it's not that far apart. that's understandable but you can get better value than ball for this |
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Post by billy on Jun 24, 2017 20:57:00 GMT -5
Passed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 11:57:57 GMT -5
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Post by Gregg Popovich on Jul 20, 2017 22:44:13 GMT -5
wtf did i just see
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Post by Scott Pilgrim on Jun 4, 2019 2:22:21 GMT -5
That said, I'm pretty wary of a new GM trying to make as many aggressive moves as Julius is doing now. I worry he doesn't have the full picture in mind, and I don't want another Doc. I'm generally very laissez-faire, and as long as he has Harden, PHI will be ok. But there's a pattern of behavior here that worries me. lol |
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Post by Doc Rivers on Jun 4, 2019 11:12:54 GMT -5
That said, I'm pretty wary of a new GM trying to make as many aggressive moves as Julius is doing now. I worry he doesn't have the full picture in mind, and I don't want another Doc. I'm generally very laissez-faire, and as long as he has Harden, PHI will be ok. But there's a pattern of behavior here that worries me. lol take your Fox |
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