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Post by Jabari Parker on Jul 19, 2015 17:41:47 GMT -5
Milwaukee trades
(66)JR Smith $5,982,375 $6,399,750
(51)Isaiah Canaan $816,482 $947,276 $1,215,696
'18 Mil 1st
'16 Mil 2nd
Total: 6,798,857
Before trade: $40,630,460
After trade: 48,136,603
Seattle trades
(67)Lance Stephenson $9,000,000 $9,000,000 $9,405,000
(61)Shawn Livingston $5,305,000 $5,543,725 $5,782,450
Total: $14,305,000
Before trade: $65,479,939
After trade: $57,973,796
I accept this trade because Lance Stephenson will improve my starting lineup while Shawn Livingston can add some much needed depth to my bench.
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Post by Jabari Parker on Jul 19, 2015 17:42:23 GMT -5
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Post by John Stockton on Jul 19, 2015 21:18:09 GMT -5
The Seattle Supersonics accept this trade. JR is a proven shooter in this league and we believe he will be a nice addition to the team. We lose Livingston but we already have like 10 PGs on our roster so he was expendable. This will also allow us to cut some salary and gain two players with team options next year in case we want to pursue free agents this offseason. @jet
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Reggie Miller
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Post by Reggie Miller on Jul 19, 2015 21:26:09 GMT -5
I think the Bucks are giving away too much for Stephenson and Livingston.. Smith, Canaan and the two picks.. Stephenson and Smith crosses out but Livingston and Canaan well Livingston is a solid backup point guard and canaan is still improving.. maybe if the other pick is removed I think this trade will look much better
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Post by John Stockton on Jul 19, 2015 21:29:42 GMT -5
I think the Bucks are giving away too much for Stephenson and Livingston.. Smith, Canaan and the two picks.. Stephenson and Smith crosses out but Livingston and Canaan well Livingston is a solid backup point guard and canaan is still improving.. maybe if the other pick is removed I think this trade will look much better Stephenson has bird rights and is 6 years younger than JR. |
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jul 19, 2015 21:29:54 GMT -5
Seattle clearly getting the better end of the deal here, with the inclusion of the picks and Canaan already being arguably more valuable, though not as highly rated, as Livingston ( 2014-15 Stat Comparison), but Lance Stephenson does have the potential to live up to it if he can improve on his numbers from Indiana in LA, while JR Smith has likely capped his potential already. I'll accept. |
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Post by John Stockton on Jul 19, 2015 21:30:22 GMT -5
You all know that this trade is....
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Steve Jobs
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jul 19, 2015 21:33:07 GMT -5
I think the Bucks are giving away too much for Stephenson and Livingston.. Smith, Canaan and the two picks.. Stephenson and Smith crosses out but Livingston and Canaan well Livingston is a solid backup point guard and canaan is still improving.. maybe if the other pick is removed I think this trade will look much better Stephenson has bird rights and is 6 years younger than JR. Just a few days over 5 years younger, but the point is valid nonetheless. |
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Reggie Miller
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Post by Reggie Miller on Jul 19, 2015 21:51:03 GMT -5
I think the Bucks are giving away too much for Stephenson and Livingston.. Smith, Canaan and the two picks.. Stephenson and Smith crosses out but Livingston and Canaan well Livingston is a solid backup point guard and canaan is still improving.. maybe if the other pick is removed I think this trade will look much better Stephenson has bird rights and is 6 years younger than JR. Hmm You have a point on BR.. This trade isn't rejectable anyway so I accept.. |
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Post by John Stockton on Jul 20, 2015 1:21:56 GMT -5
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Post by Donald Trump on Jul 20, 2015 6:04:18 GMT -5
i just want to state that there is no need to trade a 1st round pick because canaan will be better than livingston and smith and stephenson are both declining..as reggie said seattle wins this trade but not too lopsided that makes it not rejectable.. so i accept
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Post by Blake Bowman on Jul 20, 2015 8:03:10 GMT -5
I accept
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Post by billy on Jul 20, 2015 9:39:16 GMT -5
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Post by Reggie Miller on Jul 20, 2015 19:45:52 GMT -5
roster updated
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Post by Jabari Parker on Jul 21, 2015 4:46:26 GMT -5
i just want to state that there is no need to trade a 1st round pick because canaan will be better than livingston and smith and stephenson are both declining..as reggie said seattle wins this trade but not too lopsided that makes it not rejectable.. so i accept By 2018 my team should be contenders so the pick wont be as valuable |
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Post by Donald Trump on Jul 21, 2015 5:47:59 GMT -5
i just want to state that there is no need to trade a 1st round pick because canaan will be better than livingston and smith and stephenson are both declining..as reggie said seattle wins this trade but not too lopsided that makes it not rejectable.. so i accept By 2018 my team should be contenders so the pick wont be as valuable but u could get a better asset out of that pick..people are high on picks as ive observed hehehe |
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jul 21, 2015 6:59:31 GMT -5
By 2018 my team should be contenders so the pick wont be as valuable but u could get a better asset out of that pick..people are high on picks as ive observed hehehe Look, I get it... the odds of drafting a superstar (let alone a generational talent) with anything except the first pick in the draft are very low and decrease almost exponentially the farther away you get. But 60 players have to get drafted every year, and a lot of them end up being very good. To pretend like people won't get draft day steals as part of this sim league the same way real basketball teams do would be naive... So let's take a look at some current NBA players that went undrafted: Udonis Haslem (seems like a decent contributor) Jose Calderon (starting point guard for several different teams through the years) Now some current players drafted outside of the 1st round: Marc Gasol (48th pick... Yuup...) Manu Ginobili (57th pick... I'd say his career has been decent, right?) Paul Millsap (Pretty good) Monta Ellis (Perhaps the most effective player on a 50-win Mavs team last year?) But wait, there's more: An assortment of past and current stars drafted outside of the top 10: Kawhi Leonard (15th pick) Kenneth Faried (22nd pick) Rajon Rondo (21st pick) Tony Parker (28th pick) Kobe Bryant (13th pick) Steve Nash (15th pick) Shawn Kemp (17th pick) Dennis Rodman (27th pick) Karl Malone (13th pick) John Stockton (16th pick) Clyde Drexler (14th pick) Zach Randolph (19th pick) No descriptions necessary for any of those players... And finally, some players taken between 5th and 10th: Paul George (10th) Dirk Nowitzki (9th) Paul Pierce (10th) Tracy McGrady (9th) Dwyane Wade (5th) Amar'e Stoudemire (9th) Kevin Garnett (5th) Shawn Marion (9th) Vince Carter (5th) I mean... Let's get real here. If we're trying to pretend that we might somehow be immune to drafting poorly because it's a sim league, we're kidding ourselves. The stakes are lower and the analytics movement makes players much easier to judge, so yeah, we might get it right more often than most real life NBA teams. But still, clearly, any draft pick could be the star player that saves your franchise or helps your team win a championship. Over-valuing draft picks is stupid, but under-valuing them can be way more dangerous. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2015 0:26:49 GMT -5
See ya Lance
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Post by Donald Trump on Jul 23, 2015 2:16:40 GMT -5
but u could get a better asset out of that pick..people are high on picks as ive observed hehehe Look, I get it... the odds of drafting a superstar (let alone a generational talent) with anything except the first pick in the draft are very low and decrease almost exponentially the farther away you get. But 60 players have to get drafted every year, and a lot of them end up being very good. To pretend like people won't get draft day steals as part of this sim league the same way real basketball teams do would be naive... So let's take a look at some current NBA players that went undrafted: Udonis Haslem (seems like a decent contributor) Jose Calderon (starting point guard for several different teams through the years) Now some current players drafted outside of the 1st round: Marc Gasol (48th pick... Yuup...) Manu Ginobili (57th pick... I'd say his career has been decent, right?) Paul Millsap (Pretty good) Monta Ellis (Perhaps the most effective player on a 50-win Mavs team last year?) But wait, there's more: An assortment of past and current stars drafted outside of the top 10: Kawhi Leonard (15th pick) Kenneth Faried (22nd pick) Rajon Rondo (21st pick) Tony Parker (28th pick) Kobe Bryant (13th pick) Steve Nash (15th pick) Shawn Kemp (17th pick) Dennis Rodman (27th pick) Karl Malone (13th pick) John Stockton (16th pick) Clyde Drexler (14th pick) Zach Randolph (19th pick) No descriptions necessary for any of those players... And finally, some players taken between 5th and 10th: Paul George (10th) Dirk Nowitzki (9th) Paul Pierce (10th) Tracy McGrady (9th) Dwyane Wade (5th) Amar'e Stoudemire (9th) Kevin Garnett (5th) Shawn Marion (9th) Vince Carter (5th) I mean... Let's get real here. If we're trying to pretend that we might somehow be immune to drafting poorly because it's a sim league, we're kidding ourselves. The stakes are lower and the analytics movement makes players much easier to judge, so yeah, we might get it right more often than most real life NBA teams. But still, clearly, any draft pick could be the star player that saves your franchise or helps your team win a championship. Over-valuing draft picks is stupid, but under-valuing them can be way more dangerous. i never knew that marc gasol went 48th pick...so that's why people were saying that the pau gasol trade to LA was one of the most lopsided trades of all time..wow.. |
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