Paul Pierce
 Chicago Bulls
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SAS-CHI
Jul 13, 2017 17:32:38 GMT -5
Post by Paul Pierce on Jul 13, 2017 17:32:38 GMT -5
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62 Al-Farouq Aminu $20,000,000 $20,000,000 $20,000,000 $20,000,000
2019 SAS 1st
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Paul Pierce
Chicago Bulls
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SAS-CHI
Jul 13, 2017 17:34:07 GMT -5
Post by Paul Pierce on Jul 13, 2017 17:34:07 GMT -5
Damn thats a bad contract lmao but I accept, I still have 11 mil in salary after this and that 1st could be proimisng
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David Robinson
 San Antonio Spurs
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Post by David Robinson on Jul 13, 2017 18:11:09 GMT -5
I accept, I need to off load that contract and a 1st round seems to be the going rate for that atrocity I locked myself into this past off season. Further, if I have any chance of sneaking into that 8 seed next year, I'm gonna need some cap room to recruit a couple free agents.
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billy
 Miami Heat
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Post by billy on Jul 13, 2017 19:29:36 GMT -5
That pick needs to be protected for me to accept.
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Allan Houston
 New York Knicks
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Post by Allan Houston on Jul 13, 2017 21:26:04 GMT -5
Spurs are in a rough position. There's not really a right answer for them to go forward. But the value seems right to me. That contract is really bad. Some protection would be nice, but at least now he can actively make some moves with cap space to try to improve his team. I accept.
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billy
Miami Heat
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SAS-CHI
Jul 13, 2017 22:59:28 GMT -5
Post by billy on Jul 13, 2017 22:59:28 GMT -5
I'm officially gonna call this a reject without a top 3 protection on it. That contract sucks, but the spurs suck even more.
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SAS-CHI
Jul 13, 2017 23:13:05 GMT -5
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Post by John Stockton on Jul 13, 2017 23:13:05 GMT -5
I feel like there are better options than giving up your 1st. getting rid of your future picks is a common trade that ends up ruining franchises and im not sure if SAS has a solid enough plan in place that he can execute for me to justify this move.
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Post by Gregg Popovich on Jul 14, 2017 0:55:36 GMT -5
Chicago needs more for me to accept this
Reject. Aminus contract is too heavy for a 1st rounder. I know PP loves draft picks but this is too much
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Paul Pierce
Chicago Bulls
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SAS-CHI
Jul 14, 2017 10:20:07 GMT -5
Post by Paul Pierce on Jul 14, 2017 10:20:07 GMT -5
This is ridiculous lmao, ones rejecting because I'm getting the bad end of the deal and Billy is saying that Sas is? The reason he's giving me that first means that he's trying to do something to improve his team. With that contract he literally can't move his team in any direction. There's no reason that that first needs to be protected, because that gives me no upside. That Aminu salary stops me from signing any FAs for 4 years and I'm taking a big gamble.
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Steve Jobs
 Oklahoma City Thunder
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SAS-CHI
Jul 14, 2017 15:44:34 GMT -5
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jul 14, 2017 15:44:34 GMT -5
Here's the thing... cap space doesn't ruin a team's direction when they don't have any talent. SAS is basically just as close to tanking as CHI is, and Aminu won't effect that. It's extremely unlikely any great free agents are choosing SAS right now or the next year, so having a pick that could very well be top 5 with the right conditions is far more important than dumping salary.
Reject.
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SAS-CHI
Jul 14, 2017 16:00:53 GMT -5
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Post by John Stockton on Jul 14, 2017 16:00:53 GMT -5
This is ridiculous lmao, ones rejecting because I'm getting the bad end of the deal and Billy is saying that Sas is? The reason he's giving me that first means that he's trying to do something to improve his team. With that contract he literally can't move his team in any direction. There's no reason that that first needs to be protected, because that gives me no upside. That Aminu salary stops me from signing any FAs for 4 years and I'm taking a big gamble. you can always tell who is winning the trade by looking at who tries to defend the deal harder |
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David Robinson
San Antonio Spurs
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Post by David Robinson on Jul 14, 2017 19:22:00 GMT -5
That Aminu contract is one of, if not, the worst contract in the league (Sorry Tyson Chandler). I am handcuffed by that deal, and if I was able to unload it I would've had the opportunity to sign a few Tier 2 FA's without a complete tank.
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Paul Pierce
Chicago Bulls
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SAS-CHI
Jul 14, 2017 19:36:20 GMT -5
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Post by Paul Pierce on Jul 14, 2017 19:36:20 GMT -5
This is ridiculous lmao, ones rejecting because I'm getting the bad end of the deal and Billy is saying that Sas is? The reason he's giving me that first means that he's trying to do something to improve his team. With that contract he literally can't move his team in any direction. There's no reason that that first needs to be protected, because that gives me no upside. That Aminu salary stops me from signing any FAs for 4 years and I'm taking a big gamble. you can always tell who is winning the trade by looking at who tries to defend the deal harder You didn't give him time to defend lol |
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billy
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Post by billy on Jul 15, 2017 0:37:41 GMT -5
Top 3 prot and I accept
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Post by Gregg Popovich on Jul 15, 2017 2:13:11 GMT -5
For me I didn't value first round picks because it's in two seasons. In addition to that, we honestly don't know where San Antonio will be by the end of 2019.
On the other hand, it's clear that you are weighed down by 20 mil for a couple of years.
So yes I do think that you're losing a lot because of the uncertainty of where Spurs will be.
On the other hand, Billy is saying that the Spurs has a chance that the 2019 1st round can be a very valuable pick.
Again I don't think we're (Billy and I) are contradicting/disagreeing with each other. I just think that we value things differently
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Post by Gregg Popovich on Jul 15, 2017 2:15:53 GMT -5
Tldr I'm saying that Spurs could be contending in two years (could be possible with good stock watching, trades and unexpected great rookies) and you would get their 2019 first round which is not that valuable.
Billy is saying that Spurs might be like the 76ers irl and Spurs might be losing a potential superstar.
Correct me if I'm wrong but that's what I think
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SAS-CHI
Jul 15, 2017 22:42:44 GMT -5
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Post by John Stockton on Jul 15, 2017 22:42:44 GMT -5
Trades involving future draft picks because just like you said, there are lots of unknowns. sure, spurs are in a position where could easily make the playoffs soon but they could easily go the other way as well. in short, trading their 2020 restricts their options and if the David were to quit bc he can't sign anyone with the cap space he clears, that would leave the team without any players or picks, which is a team no one will want to take over
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