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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Apr 26, 2018 4:48:54 GMT -5
Currently 69. Obviously a good player, I don't think he needs nuked, but he's ahead of so many guys that I think are better: 68 Marc Gasol 68 Blake Griffin 68 Draymond Green 68 Al Horford 67 Nikola Jokic 67 Steven Adams Sometimes he's a dummy on the court, sure, but that's always been true, but I think the reason he got such a great rating was as an outlier shot blocker, but that's come down from his first two years (first two years back in the league BPG PER36 3.9 , 4.6 compared to 2.5 , 2.3 last two seasons) I still think he's an elite shot blocker and rebounder, but I just see a lot of guys below him with more complete basketball skill sets. I think he's more of a maybe all-star guy that a maybe all-nba guy. He's a LITTLE too high imo. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2018 6:23:14 GMT -5
Not in mine once again you shouldn't stock watch people based on being in a bad situation on a team that dont want him and these number will support my theory!
(HASSAN WHITESIDE)
25.3 MPG 14 PPG 11.4 RPG 54% FG 70% FT 1.7 BPG 1 APG
(PER 36)
19.9 PPG 16.3 RPG 2.5 BPG 1.4 APG
24.1 PER .573 TRUE 24.7 USAGE
(RUDY GOBERT)
32.4 MPG 13.5 PPG 10.7 RPG 62% FG 68% FT
2.3 BPG 1.4 APG
(PER 36)
15 PPG 11.9 RPG 2.6 BPG 1.6 APG
20.7 PER .657 TRUE 16.9 USAGE
These are real numbers not opinions
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White Mamba
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Post by White Mamba on Apr 26, 2018 6:26:11 GMT -5
You really think Whiteside has the same impact as gobert? Stats aside it seems obvious to me they are worlds apart. Rudy is a top 3 center who impacts the game every defensive possession, Whiteside is more limited.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2018 6:40:45 GMT -5
No bro i dont think he impacts the game like gobert hence why im not asking for a raise in rating. Im simply showing you that whiteside is no slouch and at the very least should be given the chance to prove it on a new team next year before you drop his rating, and those numbers prove it. You dont know how he could impact a game with a team that utilizes him right! Lets say hes on the bucks. If youve been watching their series with boston they cant rebound worth a crap, but if they made that trade for whiteside at the deadline that they were discussing he would change the outcome of that series with dominant inside play rebounding, and rim protection and probably sweep the series. All im saying is give tne man a chance to regroup he is a former defensive player of the year that needs to be on a new team that uses him better and not pick and pops like the heat use their big men! His numbers are still very good you cant deny that, so give big homie a break till next year.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2018 6:59:36 GMT -5
I have been firm from the get go, I rate players PRIMARILY with their skills, not their performance.
The modern way of basketball did not eat up the post skills and inside attributes of Whiteside. They are just not being used, hence the production has been low.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2018 7:02:34 GMT -5
68 Marc Gasol
68 Blake Griffin
68 Draymond Green
68 Al Horford
67 Nikola Jokic
67 Steven Adams
And these guys outlined here most need a rating increase not a whiteside decrease
Gasol, whiteside 68-69
Griffin 70
Green 70
Horford 70
Jokic 70
Adams 68-69
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Post by Ron Artest(1x Champ) on Apr 26, 2018 7:23:50 GMT -5
LOL Whiteside is garbage in REAL LIFE!!! argu... nvm
He’s starting to remind me of Roy Hibbert honestly, and that contract will be hilariously bad in hindsight.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Apr 26, 2018 16:52:40 GMT -5
68 Marc Gasol 68 Blake Griffin 68 Draymond Green 68 Al Horford 67 Nikola Jokic 67 Steven Adams And these guys outlined here most need a rating increase not a whiteside decrease Gasol, whiteside 68-69 Griffin 70 Green 70 Horford 70 Jokic 70 Adams 68-69 70 is outlined as all-nba, top 15 players... Do you really think that Whiteside is THAT good? 69 would be definite all-star. Out of your suggested rating increases, the only person I think genuinely deserves an upgrade is Jokic. Upgrading all of those guys would be rating inflation, Whiteside is pretty good but for me he's the same or worse than all those guys, doesn't deserve to be a step above them. |
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Post by Ben Wallace on Apr 26, 2018 18:06:24 GMT -5
Jokic needs a big raise. Probably need to stock watch him.
I'm down on Whiteside but he still put up pretty good numbers on a MIA team that is a really weird fit now, but it's obvious he's not blocking shots like he was when he came back into the league. He's definitely not the player Gobert is, he put up 14+ WS last season and had a big lead over Whiteside this season despite playing a similar number of games. Whiteside actually put up the same WS/48 as Steve Adams, who I think his rating should be closer to. Anecdotally, I think he's going to have to develop a new skill (cough3pointshootingcough) a la Serge Ibaka because those blocks aren't coming back to avoid getting eventually regulated to a role playing big like Hibbert. Offensive and defensive rating is a flawed stat but it's telling that he was a net -2.4 this season.
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Post by Jackie Kong on Apr 26, 2018 21:44:04 GMT -5
I don't know about Whiteside being better than Adams. Love Steven Adams. I think he is slightly underrated though. Adams.
Edit: Let me rephrase this. I think Adams is better than Whiteside.
I like Whiteside but I would pick the other players mentioned before him.
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billy
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Post by billy on Apr 27, 2018 9:11:50 GMT -5
All of the big men in the league are over rated imo
Steven Adams rating is perfect for a guy who only rebounds, defends, and dunks the ball. Whiteside and other players in his mold simply don't have a well rounded enough skill set to require a large amount of points.
While someone like Deandre Jordan might be "better" than someone like Brook Lopez for instance, Brook Lopez should have the higher rating because he can shoot from more places on the floor and requires more points.
Please please please please dear god stop thinking of overall ratings like rankings.
Thanks.
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Post by Jackie Kong on Apr 27, 2018 10:39:37 GMT -5
While I understand that, people vote for overall rating instead of specific ratings so it would be too hard to estimate the proper rating based on specifics. Hence, the ranking.
Plus, ratings are also associated with ranking when voting on trades assuming the players involved in that trade have an updated rating.
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Post by Pete Maravich on Apr 27, 2018 10:53:42 GMT -5
2K rating - 17 = D720 rating
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Post by Penny Hardaway on Apr 28, 2018 8:49:32 GMT -5
Problem with Whiteside is how the nba has changed.He cant hit the three or mid range so he cant space the floor on offense and he isnt good enough Defensively to switch onto a stretch PF. Yes he can block shots with the best of them but how the nba is most centers today can hit the three or mid range therefore taking him out the lane to even attempt to block a shot. Its hard nowadays for traditional centers , gotta be mobile enough to play D on perimeter and gotta be able to stretch the floor on thw other end or you wont be playing much.
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Post by Ron Artest(1x Champ) on Apr 28, 2018 9:52:59 GMT -5
Eh. Gobert is a top 3 defensive player, and he can’t stretch the floor offensively, nor does he create his own shots. It’s either a dunk or a layup from him. I think a centers effectiveness is largely how he’s used, unless he clearly just doesn’t have the motivation like I’m seeing with Whiteside. Those two things can possibly directly correlate though.
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Post by Penny Hardaway on Apr 28, 2018 19:03:03 GMT -5
Eh. Gobert is a top 3 defensive player, and he can’t stretch the floor offensively, nor does he create his own shots. It’s either a dunk or a layup from him. I think a centers effectiveness is largely how he’s used, unless he clearly just doesn’t have the motivation like I’m seeing with Whiteside. Those two things can possibly directly correlate though. Thats the difference Gobert is a top 3 defensive player whiteside is not, gobert is more athlethic then whiteside and can switch a lot better on the perimeter then whitseide can, also Gobert has higher defensive IQ then whiteside and Gobert is known for defense they dont need him to score , Whiteside is the opposite he is scorer 1st and known for blocks not as a defensive stopper thats the reason Gobert can stay in games and be effective and why Whiteside put you at a disadvantage, the heat and spolstra know thats the reason Kelly Olynxk and James Johnson got playing time against the 76ers and Whiteside barely played and now heat are trying to trade him. |
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Post by Penny Hardaway on Apr 28, 2018 19:09:04 GMT -5
But your right Whitside is better then what his stats show and using him correctly would help but what im saying is the direction the nba is going you would be at a disadvantage using whiteside as a focal point. Heat see it and are trying to unload him asap , not because he isnt worth it but because it puts them at a disadvantage when he is out there as the focal point because the game is just to fast now to slow the game down and feed the post, and now every other center can draw whiteside to the 3 point line where his blocking skills are useless.
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