MIN-MIA

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Minnesota Trades:
(56) Shelvin Mack $990,000 $990,000
2021 Okc 1st
2021 Min 2nd

Miami Trades:
(60) Spencer Dinwiddie $1,251,245

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I accept
Spencer is tired of not playing and ready to lace em up! Im 1 gb in the playoffs so im pushing all in to get this franchise their 1st playoff appearance in d720! He comes with bird rights and ill deal with off season tasks in the offseason but imo dinwiddie has turned himself into a good player and possibly the nets longterm starter, and a great 6th man on my squad the rest of the year!

[White Mamba]

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[Jamario Moon]

Accept, I’ve been trying to move Dinwiddie for a while now and I think this is the best I’ll be getting for a 1 year rental. Nice to get assets for an expiring player

[Paul Pierce]

Reject, dinwiddie is going to be behind Lin and DLo in Brooklyn and there's no guarantee he resigns with Minnesota to be a backup. A first and a 2nd just seems too much

[Brian Scalabrine]

May 7, 2018 17:38:24 GMT -5 Paul Pierce said:

Reject, dinwiddie is going to be behind Lin and DLo in Brooklyn and there's no guarantee he resigns with Minnesota to be a backup. A first and a 2nd just seems too much

Trouble here is that we rejected Dinwiddie for an early 2018 2nd earlier in the year because it wasn't enough for Dinwiddie. If we reject this MIA can't win either way.

I accept--I think this is great value for MIA, and for MIN it's a decent win now move because Dinwiddie has bird rights and is relatively young still.

[John Stockton]

No way, this is a reject and the fact that Dinwiddie for a 2nd got rejected is a joke.

[Gregg Popovich]

[Paul Pierce]

May 7, 2018 19:33:54 GMT -5 Brian Scalabrine said:

May 7, 2018 17:38:24 GMT -5 Paul Pierce said:

Reject, dinwiddie is going to be behind Lin and DLo in Brooklyn and there's no guarantee he resigns with Minnesota to be a backup. A first and a 2nd just seems too much

Trouble here is that we rejected Dinwiddie for an early 2018 2nd earlier in the year because it wasn't enough for Dinwiddie. If we reject this MIA can't win either way.

I accept--I think this is great value for MIA, and for MIN it's a decent win now move because Dinwiddie has bird rights and is relatively young still.

I agree to an extent but dinwiddie has lost value since that last trade. For all we know, Minnesota gets 20 games of him before he leaves. Minnesota has given up all there firsts that they had from other teams for dinwiddie and Portis to help win now. His goal is to make the playoffs this year. That is a little shortsighted imo. I'm rejecting to protect the franchise

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Your the 1 who benefited from portis lmao its fine if you guys reject this but stop with the protect my franchise crap, especially from the dude that just got 2 1sts for portis! I just gave him more bc i saw the other trade was rejected and now this is too much? Stop contradicting yourselves on trades it cant be both ways! Their obviously needs to be a set committee or no trade votes period bc these votes go from one spectrum to the complete opposite on opinions.

[Jackie Kong]

May 7, 2018 19:33:54 GMT -5 Brian Scalabrine said:

Trouble here is that we rejected Dinwiddie for an early 2018 2nd earlier in the year because it wasn't enough for Dinwiddie. If we reject this MIA can't win either way.

False. It was a 2nd + a bad contract so it was basically Dinwiddie for cap space.

May 7, 2018 20:11:00 GMT -5 @xavier0717 said:

I just gave him more bc i saw the other trade was rejected and now this is too much? Stop contradicting yourselves on trades it cant be both ways! Their obviously needs to be a set committee or no trade votes period bc these votes go from one spectrum to the complete opposite on opinions.

Not really.

1) Dinwiddie's value was higher back then. Russell was down and Dinwiddie was putting really solid numbers.
2) Knicks sent a 2nd + a bad contract ($2.8M committed next season to a player who was released afterwards).
3) You are sending a 1st.
4) Bucks 2018 2nd looks better now than it looked back then.

Plus, since you are getting Dinwiddie on a expiring deal to play behind Lowry and lavine there is a chance he might want a starting position in the off-season so it kinda matters that you are only getting him for 18 games.

[Paul Pierce]

May 7, 2018 21:16:04 GMT -5 Jackie Kong said:

May 7, 2018 19:33:54 GMT -5 Brian Scalabrine said:

Trouble here is that we rejected Dinwiddie for an early 2018 2nd earlier in the year because it wasn't enough for Dinwiddie. If we reject this MIA can't win either way.

False. It was a 2nd + a bad contract so it was basically Dinwiddie for cap space.

May 7, 2018 20:11:00 GMT -5 @xavier0717 said:

I just gave him more bc i saw the other trade was rejected and now this is too much? Stop contradicting yourselves on trades it cant be both ways! Their obviously needs to be a set committee or no trade votes period bc these votes go from one spectrum to the complete opposite on opinions.

Not really.

1) Dinwiddie's value was higher back then. Russell was down and Dinwiddie was putting really solid numbers.
2) Knicks sent a 2nd + a bad contract ($2.8M committed next season to a player who was released afterwards).
3) You are sending a 1st.
4) Bucks 2018 2nd looks better now than it looked back then.

Plus, since you are getting Dinwiddie on a expiring deal to play behind Lowry and lavine there is a chance he might want a starting position in the off-season so it kinda matters that you are only getting him for 18 games.

exactly my point, Kong knows best

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Ok everyone here has a range of opinions and they mostly contradict each other, im aware of how many games id be getting him, and im aware of my assests and my franchise. You take risks thats what im doing once again my team my choice nothing im offering is franchise killing, or anything but its cool. I used to hate or dinwiddie too but honestly he has outplayed nets starting pgs for 2 years now in some way so obviously hes at least a nba back up and hes still young enough to continue to get better! But whatever, their on contradicting opinions on trades and therefore be a committee bc its not other owners job to make trades or step in them its their job to #1 make sure their is no collusion #2 a new owner is not setting his franchise on fire
#3 keep the integrity of the league
None of these are being violated, and while i am a new owner here im top 5 in activity here and not setting this team on fire so nothing im doing should bring concern. Its more frustrating having owners butt in when 2 owners come to an agreement and none of the 3 rules of a basic trade committee are not being violated but yet you still stand in the way!

[Jackie Kong]

@xavier0717 You take it too personal. Most GMs just give their honest opinion to help you out. Not the other way around.

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Dont stand in peoples way than if one of the basic rules of trading is not being violated js

[Deleted]

Maybe i do take it too personal sorry, im not going to say no more it will either be accepted or rejected either way im good with it!!

[Brown Cobb IV]

Accept, not franchise ruining even though it's questionable af.

[Theodore Duncan]

Good trade for both imo. Very happy that Miami did get a deal with a late 1st round pick for Dinwiddie, since imo that is exactly good value for him. And that's why I rejected the Knicks trade.

24 year old PG who had a breakout season. He will be for sure good low end starter / 6th man with potential still to get better. If you want to draft a PG in end of 1st round you get someone like Josh Hart.. I think Dinwiddie will have much better career than him.

He comes with Bird rights and very low caphold that will be extremely valuable for team over the cap like Minny. I don't see many teams being able to offer more than MLE level money to him, and Minny should be able to match it easily.

The 2nd rounder is maybe giving too much, but I'm always in favor of team with worse assets winning a trade.

Accept

[White Mamba]

I'll accept even though i think this is a bad trade for Minny. This league rejects too many trades IMO, shouldn't happen unless the franchise will be ruined

[Paul Pierce]

May 8, 2018 1:49:26 GMT -5 Theodore Duncan said:

Good trade for both imo. Very happy that Miami did get a deal with a late 1st round pick for Dinwiddie, since imo that is exactly good value for him. And that's why I rejected the Knicks trade.

24 year old PG who had a breakout season. He will be for sure good low end starter / 6th man with potential still to get better. If you want to draft a PG in end of 1st round you get someone like Josh Hart.. I think Dinwiddie will have much better career than him.

He comes with Bird rights and very low caphold that will be extremely valuable for team over the cap like Minny. I don't see many teams being able to offer more than MLE level money to him, and Minny should be able to match it easily.

The 2nd rounder is maybe giving too much, but I'm always in favor of team with worse assets winning a trade.

Accept

Josh Hart> dinwiddie all day

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I totally get it some people like trades, some dont but as long as it doesnt burn a franchise to the ground we should accept. Also dinwiddie comes with 3 attributes that will go with my lineup nicely! Portis was a overpay but has played fantastic for me and with that r attribute has stabilized my line up and with k love back in 3 games also adding dinwiddie to the mix, if i get that 8th seed i feel good about taking on a wounded trailblazer team in the 1st round, and seattle is missing leornard now is the time to strike!
Whos ready to give me that 5th accept i need to get this trade passed fellas!

[billy]

I accept. Future 3 years removed for dinwiddie lather rinse repeat good trade for both

[billy]

Dinwiddie's FG% is up but that's what happens when youre the only guy chucking while everyone else just stands around and you have no lanes. He shot better the year before. His WS/48 is really good. The dude started 58 games and played 80 and only had 120 turnovers to 500+ assists

i'd rather have him than jeremy lin

hope he signs with the pels irl

[Steve Jobs]

May 7, 2018 21:49:54 GMT -5 @xavier0717 said:

Dont stand in peoples way than if one of the basic rules of trading is not being violated js

I actually agree with this, but I don't understand why you're so combative when a league-wide vote (we don't have a specific committee like we used to) is trying to point out that you're not getting as good of a deal as you should be. It's not like a reject means we're banning you from making a deal for what you're interested in, we're trying to say "you can, and should, do better."

Sure, one "non-franchise ruining" trade loss is acceptable, but over time (or a large volume of trades) the losses add up and all of a sudden being "aggressive" has a much larger impact on your future bottom line than it would if you were more concerned with value than improving your win column in the short term.

Once you've been around for a while, you'll get the benefit of the doubt on a stretch of questionable trades, but frankly you should be happy that with each trade you're getting proof, which you can take back to your continued trade negotiations, that says the league as a whole thinks you should be giving up less or asking for more.

At this point, this league has been running for a while and we've seen all sorts of different GMs. The ones that come in guns blazing and mortgage their future for a chance to compete right away are usually the most likely to leave if things go bad... I'm in no way implying that will be you, but I think it's fair to ask you to acknowledge that we're looking out for the future of the league if we reject because you're giving up too much, and it can do nothing but improve your chances of getting good value, and potentially even winning a trade, if we do.

[Jackie Kong]

I mean, GMs that get mad over deals being rejected are usually on the other side of it. Been there, done that, quit D720 multiple times over it.

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Im just a hot-head Thats all i can really say about why i get mad.

[Ben Wallace]

I believe this has 5 accepts and should be passed.

[billy]

May 9, 2018 10:13:02 GMT -5 Ben Wallace said:

I believe this has 5 accepts and should be passed.

I count 4?

[Jackie Kong]

5: Scalabrini, Cobb, Duncan, Scalabrini 2, King Billy

[billy]

May 9, 2018 20:25:57 GMT -5 Jackie Kong said:

5: Scalabrini, Cobb, Duncan, Scalabrini 2, King Billy

Ah, Scalabrini 1's looked like a reject at glance.