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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Aug 1, 2015 2:28:26 GMT -5
Toronto sends:
(72) Chris Bosh $20,644,400 $22,192,730 $23,741,060 $25,289,390 $26,837,720
(63) Danilo Gallinari $10,854,850 $11,559,225
(63) Omer Asik $14,898,938
(62) D.J. Augustin $3,000,000 $3,000,000
2017 First round pick
2016 Second round pick
2017 Second round pick
Total sent: $49,398,188
Cap before: $90,710,387
Cap after: $85,895,434
Portland sends:
(78) Chris Paul $20,068,563 $21,468,695 $22,868,827 $24,268,959
(71) Kobe Bryant $23,500,000 $25,000,000
(39) Reggie Evans $507,336
(42) Youssou Ndoye $507,336 $507,336
Total sent: $44,583,235
Cap before: $74,955,581
Cap after: $79,770,534
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Aug 1, 2015 2:37:51 GMT -5
I accept this trade because it makes me more of a contender now and my team has a higher ceiling long term with CP3 and Thompson as opposed to with Bosh. On the flip side of that, I'm stuck with Kobe, which is not a bad thing this year but total hoses my free agency plans for this off-season. However, looking at this from a future standpoint this is the right move, because my ass might be in the wind for a minute in 2015-2016 if I can't get decent players for spots 4-15, and Kobe will probably die next season so that roster spot could be wasted. But, I have my 2016 pick, and I can sign free agents to one year contracts so that I can make a big splash in the FA market in 2016. That way, if worst comes to worst and Kobe dies and CP3 and Klay alone can't take us to the playoffs (which they might anyway) I get a lottery pick and should be able to attract some free agents by waving around CP3 and Klay. Not too shabby.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Aug 1, 2015 2:41:55 GMT -5
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Post by Tony Stark on Aug 1, 2015 3:31:27 GMT -5
I don't mean to be offensive but why don't you make your own charts first? :p
As you can see, all GMs have posted their own salary and depth charts except for you and Duffman.
Just saying :p
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Aug 1, 2015 3:37:45 GMT -5
Touche, touche.
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Post by Tony Stark on Aug 1, 2015 3:51:36 GMT -5
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Post by DUFFMAN on Aug 1, 2015 18:16:59 GMT -5
I accept. The biggest thing for me here is that I believe in Bosh and Danilo. I am trading one star for another, bolstering my supply of future picks, adding depth, and getting rid of Kobe's contract to help attract free agents.
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Post by Steve Jobs on Aug 1, 2015 20:02:34 GMT -5
I'll accept this one, but I'm not convinced that the trade is improving Toronto a proportional amount to how much Brian is paying for this deal. Just turns a team with a badass front court/questionable back court into a team with a badass back court/questionable front court and less future prospects. CP3 is the difference maker here and he is a massive upgrade at the Point for Toronto, so I think the value fits, and hopefully this move works out for both of you guys.
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Post by Paul Pierce on Aug 1, 2015 20:06:26 GMT -5
I like this trade for the raps, he now has probably the best backcourt in the league with klay and paul.
Pg: Paul
Sg: Klay
Sf: Kobe
Pf Knater
C Chandler is a very good lineup.
Also for the 2017 season kobes contract expires giving him hella cap space
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Aug 1, 2015 21:06:44 GMT -5
Steve, I hear you about losing the front court. My problem though is there's no one that can pass the ball on my team, and to be a legit contender I'll need a real point guard.
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Post by Steve Jobs on Aug 1, 2015 21:35:40 GMT -5
Steve, I hear you about losing the front court. My problem though is there's no one that can pass the ball on my team, and to be a legit contender I'll need a real point guard. I suspect you could find a decent upgrade at Point Guard with some of the pieces you're offering, and without losing Bosh. Your back court will be incredible, but I think you'll feel a huge loss in your front court. Two-way paint presence wins championships as much or more than an elite ball-handler/passer, and Bosh is one of the best in that regard for sure. I already accepted, so no worries, but I do think you're seeking change for the sake of change: you've already found what is clearly a winning formula, and a slight upgrade at any position could be the difference between going deep and winning it all... I do think what you're offering minus Bosh could easily find you that slight upgrade. Again, plenty of benefits so I couldn't justify rejecting. Kobe coming off the books after next year does clear you up to chase a big name free agent that summer, and there will be a few; the front court will be as elite as it gets; CP3 is still a top 2 point guard for another 3-5 years... It will be interesting to see how it plays out. |
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Aug 1, 2015 21:44:15 GMT -5
I know what you mean Steve, I'm just hedging on my 2017 team being a lot better than this one. Thanks for your input!
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Post by John Stockton on Aug 2, 2015 1:42:08 GMT -5
i think this deal is fair all around with the talent, contracts and future intentions for both teams involved. accept.
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Post by Donald Trump on Aug 2, 2015 8:48:06 GMT -5
I think I might reject this..Chris Bosh suffered a very unfortunate health issue, nearly died and has a serious lung problem this might really affect his game and will probably greatly reduce his minutes..You might be trading the top PG for a 1st round pick and dj augustin only
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Aug 2, 2015 11:36:20 GMT -5
Everything I can find about Bosh's injury says that he should be able to make a full recovery. Blood clots are very curable it's just that they're hard to detect and are usually found too late (when someone is going to die), it was more of a freak injury than a recurring one. But even if he gets more blood clots now that the health staff knows it could be an issue it'll get all of the attention it needs. Like, I can't find anything that even suggests he won't make a full recovery. And he's getting three picks, and Gallinari. Not just Augustin and a pick. And him ditching Kobe's contract is a factor as well.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Aug 2, 2015 11:36:48 GMT -5
He's also been back on the floor since June.
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Post by DUFFMAN on Aug 2, 2015 13:34:54 GMT -5
Aj, don't be biased. You're only spitting out pure conjecture.
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Post by billy on Aug 2, 2015 14:17:04 GMT -5
Aj, don't be biased. You're only spitting out pure conjecture. How is he being biased? |
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Post by DUFFMAN on Aug 2, 2015 14:18:08 GMT -5
Declining a trade with no viable reason other than some speculation over whether or not Bosh will remain healthy. This trade also happens to involve his main rival in the East, so I wonder if it is really a coincidence that his points on why this trade may be declined are so weak
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Post by billy on Aug 2, 2015 15:20:44 GMT -5
Declining a trade with no viable reason other than some speculation over whether or not Bosh will remain healthy. This trade also happens to involve his main rival in the East, so I wonder if it is really a coincidence that his points on why this trade may be declined are so weak I don't think the fact that the trade is toronto has a lot to do with it, at least I don't hope it does. To be honest, from my experience this trade is going to make torontos team a little worse actually, as basketball-gm seems to reward having a loaded frontcourt. (see toronto so far, and san antonio, and okc, and sacramento). I also think you could get more for paul. |
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Aug 2, 2015 15:33:00 GMT -5
billy, I can concede that it maybe makes me a little worse, but while I'm a contender right now I by no means have a lock for the chip and I think that this trade still has us as a contender this year and sets us up better for the future.
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Post by billy on Aug 2, 2015 15:35:04 GMT -5
billy, I can concede that it maybe makes me a little worse, but while I'm a contender right now I by no means have a lock for the chip and I think that this trade still has us as a contender this year and sets us up better for the future. Oh yes, I think it definitely sets you up better for the future. Who doesn't think the heat would trade 50 chris boshes for CP3? :P I think Portland is losing this trade, but not by enough that I would reject it. Bosh's health is worrisome though, for example, I doubt he will be back for the beginning of next season. Have you guy seen otherwise? I'm not exactly rapidly pressing the f5 key over the keyword Chris Bosh :P |
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Aug 2, 2015 15:38:54 GMT -5
I haven't heard a return time, but he's been back on the court since June and everything I've read has been very positive. Nothing to indicate he won't be Chris Bosh again.
Also, have we officially decided that we will follow real injuries? I feel like there has been some conversation about that, but I'm not sure how it concluded.
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Post by billy on Aug 2, 2015 15:43:58 GMT -5
I haven't heard a return time, but he's been back on the court since June and everything I've read has been very positive. Nothing to indicate he won't be Chris Bosh again. Also, have we officially decided that we will follow real injuries? I feel like there has been some conversation about that, but I'm not sure how it concluded. Well, that was already decided when I created the league, once next season starts we will follow the real NBA season (we will start in december, about a month after the NBA season and then move in real time with the NBA), and yes at that point injuries will be real and we will do it by games missed with a minimum, which we will vote on. If the minimum is say, 20, then any player that misses 20 games in real life, will miss 20 games in the sim. We can do that since we will be behind the NBA by 4-6 weeks. |
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Post by Donald Trump on Aug 2, 2015 18:28:13 GMT -5
Declining a trade with no viable reason other than some speculation over whether or not Bosh will remain healthy. This trade also happens to involve his main rival in the East, so I wonder if it is really a coincidence that his points on why this trade may be declined are so weak wow im shocked with ur reaction dude...youre the one making a speculation here accusing me of being biased just because tor is top team on east...i carefully review a trade so that it will be fair and beneficial for both teams and in this trade i just think ur team will suffer..then you suddenly accuse me of being biased..smh im not a medical expert but a lung problem on an athlete seems pretty alarming..especially with that big contract of bosh..ask any nba team in real life right now and no one will trade cp3 for bosh after that lung issue...i was just trying to protect ur team but if you really want a 1 d720 season rental of bosh fine i will accept..i called it 1 season rental because his rating is 72 right now but look at that huge contract wherein the succeeding years we will follow real life performance and injuries i think that rating will definiteley go down..just dont come back crying if bosh is not the same player as he was and getting very limited minutes.. |
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Post by DUFFMAN on Aug 2, 2015 18:29:55 GMT -5
Declining a trade with no viable reason other than some speculation over whether or not Bosh will remain healthy. This trade also happens to involve his main rival in the East, so I wonder if it is really a coincidence that his points on why this trade may be declined are so weak wow im shocked with ur reaction dude...youre the one making a speculation here accusing me of being biased just because tor is top team on east...i carefully review a trade so that it will be fair and beneficial for both teams and in this trade i just think ur team will suffer..then you suddenly accuse me of being biased..smh im not a medical expert but a lung problem on an athlete seems pretty alarming..especially with that big contract of bosh..ask any nba team in real life right now and no one will trade cp3 for bosh after that lung issue...i was just trying to protect ur team but if you really want a 1 d720 season rental of bosh fine i will accept..i called it 1 season rental because his rating is 72 right now but look at that huge contract wherein the succeeding years we will follow real life performance and injuries i think that rating will definiteley go down..just dont come back crying if bosh is not the same player as he was and getting very limited minutes.. Thank you for the accept. |
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Aug 2, 2015 20:34:22 GMT -5
For the record, blood clot issue /=/ lung issue.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Aug 2, 2015 21:16:01 GMT -5
Also I forgot to tag Reggie Miller... Yo Reg, where you at?
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Aug 2, 2015 21:37:01 GMT -5
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Post by billy on Aug 2, 2015 22:03:31 GMT -5
Chris Bosh (lungs) "feels good" after working on his conditioning for the past month, but conceded that he "won't be in tip-top playing condition in November."
That's a rather blunt admission from Bosh, who is nevertheless expected to play on opening night. He emphasized Miami's depth as a strength and said he's excited to play pick-and-roll basketball with Goran Dragic, adding, "I love a guard that attacks. That's always good for me." Bosh should be ready for training camp and he's an intriguing target in the middle rounds.
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