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Post by Penny Hardaway on Jun 26, 2018 10:10:04 GMT -5
Ok im going to break it down
Basically trade is Crowder and future 1st for Smart. Salaries dont quite work enter in third team.
He helps get trade done by obsorbing crowder and adding dead money and is compensated with Crowder and 2nds
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Theodore Duncan
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Post by Theodore Duncan on Jun 26, 2018 10:16:11 GMT -5
Well.. I feel like a broken record here, but I think this is again not a good trade for GSW.
They have been very concerned about their future cap situation and now they trade for Smart, who is about to get properly paid. Maybe in the 12-18Mil range. Crowder was really bad at Cavs earlier this season and got his rating dropped big time, but at Utah he looked already much better. And next year when getting a full season playing in the good Utah system he could be easily looking a bit of a bounce back in his rating. Then 6-7mil contract locked for next few years would look very decent.
Smart is bit better than Crowder and could probably use also a stockwatch, but I don't see that huge difference in those two players. Definitely when considering how their contracts will look next year. So adding a unprotected 1st round pick is imo bit too much for the difference. Even though Lakers are on a upwards swing with their young squad, anything can happen in the next 3 years and that pick could end up super valuable. For me this feels bit like.. "fuck it, it's 2022. Not gonna be my problem then, so I'm gonna just throw it in so we get some deal done."
In the other hand, it doesn't seem to be franchise ruining, so I don't know. Just my 2cents.
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Post by Penny Hardaway on Jun 26, 2018 11:00:55 GMT -5
Well.. I feel like a broken record here, but I think this is again not a good trade for GSW. They have been very concerned about their future cap situation and now they trade for Smart, who is about to get properly paid. Maybe in the 12-18Mil range. Crowder was really bad at Cavs earlier this season and got his rating dropped big time, but at Utah he looked already much better. And next year when getting a full season playing in the good Utah system he could be easily looking a bit of a bounce back in his rating. Then 6-7mil contract locked for next few years would look very decent. Smart is bit better than Crowder and could probably use also a stockwatch, but I don't see that huge difference in those two players. Definitely when considering how their contracts will look next year. So adding a unprotected 1st round pick is imo bit too much for the difference. Even though Lakers are on a upwards swing with their young squad, anything can happen in the next 3 years and that pick could end up super valuable. For me this feels bit like.. "fuck it, it's 2022. Not gonna be my problem then, so I'm gonna just throw it in so we get some deal done." In the other hand, it doesn't seem to be franchise ruining, so I don't know. Just my 2cents. Ok i was concerned about paying that team i had . I did not want to be tied down to a team that had no depth or assets and ballooning cap and having to resign Kat. We are in a way better position now for our future and can spread the wealth accordingly. As for Smart we havent had a good of a backup for curry since ive been gm. Sacraficing i pick i wont need as my team will still be young in 2022 ,
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Post by Penny Hardaway on Jun 26, 2018 14:49:16 GMT -5
Ok im going to break it down Basically trade is Crowder and future 1st for Smart. Salaries dont quite work enter in third team. He helps get trade done by obsorbing crowder and adding dead money and is compensated with Crowder and 2nds Can we get votes please
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Post by Brown Cobb IV on Jun 26, 2018 18:21:42 GMT -5
ill accept this deal, dont love it but its fine because GSW isnt trading his first
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jun 26, 2018 18:30:46 GMT -5
I'm just gonna go ahead and reject --sorry to WAS & CHI but I'm becoming concerned about GSW overpaying for RFAs. He says he's getting young players he likes, but if this trade happens and the Randle trade happens, he's gonna be paying at least 30 million, maybe 40 million for backups on long term contracts. He was talking about how he didn't like the dudes on his team and had no cap space, but at this rate he's going to end up with a slew of overpaid guys he can't move.
He's got beef with his roster? Chill--find some deals for Waiters or Gay or someone who you actually need to get rid of. But he's consistently trading his good assets (Gobert, Oladipo, didn't he have Booker for 50 seconds?, tried to trade Steph, ext) and now he's making deals for guys that will give him no flexibility, sacrificing an unprotected pick and a guy who can produce on a reasonable contract for the back up to literally the best PG in the league. And he's gonna end up paying at least 12 mil, probably closer to 15 for a player that should be the least of his worries.
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Post by Stuff The Magic Dragon on Jun 26, 2018 19:07:55 GMT -5
rejecting this trade. Smart isn't worth an unprotected 1st round pick and Crowder.
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Post by Jackie Kong on Jun 26, 2018 19:18:12 GMT -5
I accept. Don't see how this is rejectable. I can see why Warriors would want Smart. Perimeter defense wins games. So, he doesn't have Dp it seems but he should have it. :P
Also, Crowder is meh right now and his contract is not bad or good so he doesn't add value to the table I think.
So yes, Warriors trades give me headaches but this doesn't come close to being franchise ruining or whatever.
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billy
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Post by billy on Jun 26, 2018 19:47:22 GMT -5
I accept. Don't see how this is rejectable. I can see why Warriors would want Smart. Perimeter defense wins games. So, he doesn't have Dp it seems but he should have it. :P Also, Crowder is meh right now and his contract is not bad or good so he doesn't add value to the table I think. So yes, Warriors trades give me headaches but this doesn't come close to being franchise ruining or whatever. Great perimeter defense still helps buttloads even without the trait. The trait itself is very marginal. You can be 1 point below the trait and still have 95% of the effectiveness, people just don't notice because they dont have the trait.
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Post by Ron Artest(1x Champ) on Jun 26, 2018 19:47:32 GMT -5
I accept. Don't see how this is rejectable. I can see why Warriors would want Smart. Perimeter defense wins games. So, he doesn't have Dp it seems but he should have it. :P Also, Crowder is meh right now and his contract is not bad or good so he doesn't add value to the table I think. So yes, Warriors trades give me headaches but this doesn't come close to being franchise ruining or whatever. Thing is though, ‘franchise ruining’ trades usually aren’t apparent until they are. Usually it’s a combination of them which lead to merky waters. I was on board in his logic in choosing to trade one of Curry/Gobert, but that’s personally where I would’ve stopped. Instead of trading value contracts like Oladipo and a cheapish DB for another couple years, Rudy Gay and others would’ve been main shipping priorities.
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Walt Frazier
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 26, 2018 19:49:31 GMT -5
I accept. Don't see how this is rejectable. I can see why Warriors would want Smart. Perimeter defense wins games. So, he doesn't have Dp it seems but he should have it. Also, Crowder is meh right now and his contract is not bad or good so he doesn't add value to the table I think. So yes, Warriors trades give me headaches but this doesn't come close to being franchise ruining or whatever. Thing is though, ‘franchise ruining’ trades usually aren’t apparent until they are. Usually it’s a combination of them which lead to merky waters. I was on board in his logic in choosing to trade one of Curry/Gobert, but that’s personally where I would’ve stopped. Instead of trading value contracts like Oladipo and a cheapish DB for another couple years, Rudy Gay and others would’ve been main shipping priorities. OK...but is anyone paying for Rudy Gay? Or, is he going to have to add just to get Gay off his books? I accept this trade as well, similar logic that Kong just laid out.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2018 19:59:13 GMT -5
I accept Gsw has given the reasons why he's shaking things up, and I believe smart is a great defensive player and we all saw what the sun's just did! Defense is important in the SIM, and the value isn't that far off.
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Post by Ron Artest(1x Champ) on Jun 26, 2018 20:02:04 GMT -5
Thing is though, ‘franchise ruining’ trades usually aren’t apparent until they are. Usually it’s a combination of them which lead to merky waters. I was on board in his logic in choosing to trade one of Curry/Gobert, but that’s personally where I would’ve stopped. Instead of trading value contracts like Oladipo and a cheapish DB for another couple years, Rudy Gay and others would’ve been main shipping priorities. OK...but is anyone paying for Rudy Gay? Or, is he going to have to add just to get Gay off his books? I accept this trade as well, similar logic that Kong just laid out. is anyone gonna trade for the players he’s acquiring now in a few years?... he doesn’t have money now, let alone down the line when he’s stuck with them. With that being said I’m gonna accept.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2018 20:03:15 GMT -5
5 accepts
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Post by Allan Houston on Jun 27, 2018 19:32:06 GMT -5
Trade approved
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