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Post by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on Jan 20, 2019 6:07:35 GMT -5
Player Name: Joel Embiid
Current Rating: 68
Their are 12 Players that have better and same rating with him. Really? I didn't mention those players in other position I only consider those players that I know that plays the same position with Joel. Seriously? I really don't mind if Davis and Jokic ratings are higher but people Joel has been part of the Top 10 KIA MVP Ladder all season in RL. So I believe he needs to be atleast be part of the All League 2nd Team here. But with that rating he'll not even make it with the 3rd Team. ^^
Anthony Davis 78
Nikola Jokic 74
Clint Capela 72
Nikola Vucevic 71
Hassan Whiteside 71
Rudy Gobert 71
Al Horford 71
Jonas Valanciunes 71
Andre Drummond 71
Marc Gasol 71
Mohamed Bamba 68
Jarrett Allen 68
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Post by Shaq O'Neal on Jan 20, 2019 6:41:35 GMT -5
You got these ratings from the league file?
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Post by Ron Artest(1x Champ) on Jan 20, 2019 6:44:12 GMT -5
Billy has said 100 times by now ratings shouldn’t be an indication of whose better than who or how effective a player is
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Post by Scott Pilgrim on Jan 20, 2019 7:25:17 GMT -5
Probably needs increases to his inside and oiq so he can match other top tier centers in scoring.
He's averaging 27 ppg in real life.
He probably needs some increase in his diq as well, he's been a top 5 candidate for MVP and DPOY this season even though the 76ers record has been a bit disappointing.
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Post by Nino Brown on Jan 20, 2019 7:42:03 GMT -5
Player Name: Joel Embiid Current Rating: 68 Their are 12 Players that have better and same rating with him. Really? I didn't mention those players in other position I only consider those players that I know that plays the same position with Joel. Seriously? I really don't mind if Davis and Jokic ratings are higher but people Joel has been part of the Top 10 KIA MVP Ladder all season in RL. So I believe he needs to be atleast be part of the All League 2nd Team here. But with that rating he'll not even make it with the 3rd Team. ^^ Anthony Davis 78 Nikola Jokic 74 Clint Capela 72 Nikola Vucevic 71 Hassan Whiteside 71 Rudy Gobert 71 Al Horford 71 Jonas Valanciunes 71 Andre Drummond 71 Marc Gasol 71 Mohamed Bamba 68 Jarrett Allen 68 Cant speak for the other guys, but Vucevic this year has been more efficient than Embiid, and ultimately just as effective/important to his team, though the Magics suck and 76ers don’t, I feel compelled to play Devil’s advocate. FG > Vucevic 2p% > Vucevic 3p% > Vucevic Assists > Vucevic Steals > Vucevic Less Turnovers > Vucevic Advanced stats: PER > Vucevic OR% > Vucevic DR% on par Assist% > Vucevic Steal% > Vucevic OBPM > Vucevic DBPM > Vucevic BPM > Vucevic ORPM > Vucevic DRPM > Vucevic RPM > Vucevic VORP> Vucevic Per 36 numbers are even better |
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Post by Scott Pilgrim on Jan 20, 2019 8:10:15 GMT -5
Player Name: Joel Embiid Current Rating: 68 Their are 12 Players that have better and same rating with him. Really? I didn't mention those players in other position I only consider those players that I know that plays the same position with Joel. Seriously? I really don't mind if Davis and Jokic ratings are higher but people Joel has been part of the Top 10 KIA MVP Ladder all season in RL. So I believe he needs to be atleast be part of the All League 2nd Team here. But with that rating he'll not even make it with the 3rd Team. ^^ Anthony Davis 78 Nikola Jokic 74 Clint Capela 72 Nikola Vucevic 71 Hassan Whiteside 71 Rudy Gobert 71 Al Horford 71 Jonas Valanciunes 71 Andre Drummond 71 Marc Gasol 71 Mohamed Bamba 68 Jarrett Allen 68 Cant speak for the other guys, but Vucevic this year has been more efficient than Embiid, and ultimately just as effective/important to his team, though the Magics suck and 76ers don’t, I feel compelled to play Devil’s advocate. FG > Vucevic 2p% > Vucevic 3p% > Vucevic Assists > Vucevic Steals > Vucevic Less Turnovers > Vucevic Advanced stats: PER > Vucevic OR% > Vucevic DR% on par Assist% > Vucevic Steal% > Vucevic OBPM > Vucevic DBPM > Vucevic BPM > Vucevic ORPM > Vucevic DRPM > Vucevic RPM > Vucevic VORP> Vucevic  |
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Post by Nino Brown on Jan 20, 2019 8:25:04 GMT -5
This isn’t about disagreeing with OP about Embiid as much as it’s indicative of how good Vucevic has been this year. He should be an All Star this year, and I’ll always rebuttal an argument for my guys if there is a legit argument to be had.
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Post by Scott Pilgrim on Jan 20, 2019 8:41:44 GMT -5
I wonder what would happen in a hypothetical situation where Vucevic and Embiid swapped teams at the start of this season. 🤔
It’s blaspemy that Embiid is lower overall than borderline all-star guys like Vucevic, Whiteside, etc.
This recent overall system overvalues defense, yet he’s still rated behind ‘defensive juggernauts’ such as these two, in addition Embiid is a better complete offensive player in every fashion.
Shows that there’s some apparent problem with some of his offensive and defensive attributes.
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Post by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on Jan 20, 2019 8:52:25 GMT -5
You got these ratings from the league file? It came from Billy's post. 2.1. ^^ |
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Post by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on Jan 20, 2019 8:55:30 GMT -5
Billy has said 100 times by now ratings shouldn’t be an indication of whose better than who or how effective a player is I know that very well. My main point here is that he didn't make it to League Team every time I sim. That sucks knowing that he should be atleast at the 2nd Team. ^^ |
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Post by Nino Brown on Jan 20, 2019 8:57:44 GMT -5
I wonder what would happen in a hypothetical situation where Vucevic and Embiid swapped teams at the start of this season. 🤔 It’s blaspemy that Embiid is lower overall than borderline all-star guys like Vucevic, Whiteside, etc. This recent overall system overvalues defense, yet he’s still rated behind ‘defensive juggernauts’ such as these two, in addition Embiid is a better complete offensive player in every fashion. Shows that there’s some apparent problem with some of his offensive and defensive attributes. No doubt he’s easily a top 3 center. This wasn’t my originally point in my rebuttal though. However you want to place him with AD and Jokic, that’s cool, but Vucevic and Whiteside don’t belong in the same sentence this year. I was pointing out the fact that Vucevic has been superior to Embiid in a lot of ways this year, both through raw stats and advanced stats(INCLUDING DEFENSE). He’s not a borderline all star this year, he is an All Star. He’s having the best year of his career by 100 miles on both ends of the floor. Even Irl games he’s also given these ‘defensive juggernauts the sauce’. Also the system is probably the way it is because of the previously outrageous scorelines from a game to game basis. In the most recent day for games I didn’t notice anything outrageous. Plus defense becomes more important as the season goes irl. Defense is especially important in the playoffs because teams lock in, and the pace of play is significantly slower. |
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Post by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on Jan 20, 2019 8:57:47 GMT -5
Probably needs increases to his inside and oiq so he can match other top tier centers in scoring. He's averaging 27 ppg in real life. He probably needs some increase in his diq as well, he's been a top 5 candidate for MVP and DPOY this season even though the 76ers record has been a bit disappointing. It's Butler's fault why PHI is struggling. ^^ |
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Post by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on Jan 20, 2019 9:00:38 GMT -5
Player Name: Joel Embiid Current Rating: 68 Their are 12 Players that have better and same rating with him. Really? I didn't mention those players in other position I only consider those players that I know that plays the same position with Joel. Seriously? I really don't mind if Davis and Jokic ratings are higher but people Joel has been part of the Top 10 KIA MVP Ladder all season in RL. So I believe he needs to be atleast be part of the All League 2nd Team here. But with that rating he'll not even make it with the 3rd Team. ^^ Anthony Davis 78 Nikola Jokic 74 Clint Capela 72 Nikola Vucevic 71 Hassan Whiteside 71 Rudy Gobert 71 Al Horford 71 Jonas Valanciunes 71 Andre Drummond 71 Marc Gasol 71 Mohamed Bamba 68 Jarrett Allen 68 Cant speak for the other guys, but Vucevic this year has been more efficient than Embiid, and ultimately just as effective/important to his team, though the Magics suck and 76ers don’t, I feel compelled to play Devil’s advocate. FG > Vucevic 2p% > Vucevic 3p% > Vucevic Assists > Vucevic Steals > Vucevic Less Turnovers > Vucevic Advanced stats: PER > Vucevic OR% > Vucevic DR% on par Assist% > Vucevic Steal% > Vucevic OBPM > Vucevic DBPM > Vucevic BPM > Vucevic ORPM > Vucevic DRPM > Vucevic RPM > Vucevic VORP> Vucevic Per 36 numbers are even better Really don't mind if Vuc is better just make Embiid better here. ^^ |
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Post by Ron Artest(1x Champ) on Jan 20, 2019 9:08:27 GMT -5
Billy has said 100 times by now ratings shouldn’t be an indication of whose better than who or how effective a player is I know that very well. My main point here is that he didn't make it to League Team every time I sim. That sucks knowing that he should be atleast at the 2nd Team. ^^ ah well this is fair. Without knowledge of that I was just making the point that I wouldn’t assume those players are better because they have a better overall. Embiid seems pretty effective in the sim just looking at his game to game stat lines, but I get your drift |
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Post by billy on Jan 20, 2019 9:27:56 GMT -5
The reason why embiid sucks more in the sim than real life is two fold
1: his effiency is worse than his volume would indicate (the Julius randle problem) he shoots more irl than he should based on his % and the sim won’t give him those shots
2: his BPMs aren’t great
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Post by billy on Jan 20, 2019 9:28:52 GMT -5
Also I’m definitely already regretting doing the overall shit
Now you can just go back to not making cogent arguments anymore
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Post by Scott Pilgrim on Jan 20, 2019 9:31:44 GMT -5
Billy has said 100 times by now ratings shouldn’t be an indication of whose better than who or how effective a player is This has only been the case when a player is one sided in his style of play, for example defensive specialists such as Gobert were rated horribly in overall previously but in the sim he is one of the best centers. Or another example when an offensive superstar like Curry or Harden aren’t in the top 3 overalls.. it’s because of their poor defense, the overall system recognises. They are still some of the best players in the sim. This argument doesn’t work for Embiid, he’s one of the best two-way superstars in the league alongside Giannis, PG13, etc. There is no case for him to be such a low overall, no argument, it’s simple.. his stats need improved drastically. He should be around the 74 - 75 mark alongside Jokic if his attributes are up to the standard of his real life counterpart. |
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Post by billy on Jan 20, 2019 9:33:37 GMT -5
Billy has said 100 times by now ratings shouldn’t be an indication of whose better than who or how effective a player is This has only been the case when a player is one sided in his style of play, for example defensive specialists such as Gobert were rated horribly in overall previously but in the sim he is one of the best centers. Or another example when an offensive superstar like Curry or Harden aren’t in the top 3 overalls.. it’s because of their poor defense, the overall system recognises. They are still some of the best players in the sim. This argument doesn’t work for Embiid, he’s one of the best two-way superstars in the league alongside Giannis, PG13, etc. There is no case for him to be such a low overall, no argument, it’s simple.. his stats need improved drastically. He should be around the 74 - 75 mark alongside Jokic if his attributes are up to the standard of his real life counterpart. His effiency is not good though except from 0-3. I’m not gonna artificially increase his shooting stats to give him more volume than he deserves. Same deal with RW |
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Post by Ron Artest(1x Champ) on Jan 20, 2019 9:55:49 GMT -5
Billy has said 100 times by now ratings shouldn’t be an indication of whose better than who or how effective a player is This has only been the case when a player is one sided in his style of play, for example defensive specialists such as Gobert were rated horribly in overall previously but in the sim he is one of the best centers. Or another example when an offensive superstar like Curry or Harden aren’t in the top 3 overalls.. it’s because of their poor defense, the overall system recognises. They are still some of the best players in the sim. This argument doesn’t work for Embiid, he’s one of the best two-way superstars in the league alongside Giannis, PG13, etc. There is no case for him to be such a low overall, no argument, it’s simple.. his stats need improved drastically. He should be around the 74 - 75 mark alongside Jokic if his attributes are up to the standard of his real life counterpart. This would be a valid argument if Embiid didn’t average a double double plus 2 blocks in the sim, and this is WITHOUT PT modifiers... |
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Post by Stuff The Magic Dragon on Jan 20, 2019 9:57:24 GMT -5
Probably needs increases to his inside and oiq so he can match other top tier centers in scoring. He's averaging 27 ppg in real life. He probably needs some increase in his diq as well, he's been a top 5 candidate for MVP and DPOY this season even though the 76ers record has been a bit disappointing. It's Butler's fault why PHI is struggling. ^^ hey |
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Post by billy on Jan 20, 2019 10:09:55 GMT -5
That being said, we should probably have some wiggle room for the "eye-test". But it sucks because then every GM will want their 15/350 players to be bumped because of the "eye-test" and how do you argue with that shit.
He does well in other advanced metrics such as PIPM and WS, so while most people are built using BPM I guess in a (few) extreme circumstances, especially for the star players or whatever, we could deviate from the formula slightly. i.e. maybe give embiid some IQ bump. However, he's never gonna put up the type of COUNTING stats that you see in real life, because his volume is abnormally high in real life for his efficiency, which is just a fact.
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Post by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on Jan 20, 2019 19:53:54 GMT -5
billy, really don't mind if he's stats in RL will not be he's stats here. I know that it will be worse. Just make him to be atleast be in the All League Team, I want him to be in the 1st but if he can make it to the 2nd that will do even if it's just 3rd. I already know back then that he'll not put stats like in RL. ^^
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Post by Scott Pilgrim on Jan 20, 2019 22:20:45 GMT -5
billy , really don't mind if he's stats in RL will not be he's stats here. I know that it will be worse. Just make him to be atleast be in the All League Team, I want him to be in the 1st but if he can make it to the 2nd that will do even if it's just 3rd. I already know back then that he'll not put stats like in RL. ^^ Yeah at least this. |
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Post by billy on Jan 27, 2019 11:09:16 GMT -5
A Di Po R
Physical
Height: 79
Strength: 69
Speed: 46
Jumping: 66
Endurance: 80
Shooting
Inside: 70
Dunks/Layups: 80
Free Throws: 57
Two Pointers: 55
Three Pointers: 39
Skill
Offensive IQ: 43
Defensive IQ: 42
Dribbling: 64
Passing: 47
Rebounding: 80
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Post by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on Jan 27, 2019 17:42:21 GMT -5
I just hope I made the best decision to have his final rebuild now not later. Or maybe I should have wait a little longer? LOL ^^
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Post by Stuff The Magic Dragon on Jan 29, 2019 3:38:37 GMT -5
I just hope I made the best decision to have his final rebuild now not later. Or maybe I should have wait a little longer? LOL ^^ nah, now's the perfect time |
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