Ratings Committee

[Shaq O'Neal]

I vote for 3 rebuilds per team before the playoffs for 3 reasons


1.Before the playoffs is my vote due to the fact that we have time as Steve mentioned and i believe playoffs should go as accurate as we can make them.

2.3 rebuilds per team due to the fact that more or less the builds are accurate with the exceptiom of a few players

3.Also rebuilding 450 players is no joke and requires a lot of effort and i believe we should take baby steps.



Also i would like to volubteer for the Ratings Committee

[Doc Rivers]

Volunteering for the ratings committee as well, would like to do as much as possible to assist.

[Penny Hardaway]

Ive never been in a sim league where there is so much roster editing.

[Steve Jobs]

Apr 29, 2019 8:46:25 GMT -5 Penny Hardaway said:

Ive never been in a sim league where there is so much roster editing.

LOL What does that even mean? You want your players to get one build and be stagnant forever.

Regardless, We had one major ratings overhaul that corresponded with the simulation engine changing it’s ratings, and since then we literally haven’t touched a single one. We’re not doing “so much roster editing,” we’re fine tuning the roster overhaul that HAD to happen if we were going to keep using Basketball-GM to do our sims. If we’re not interested in keeping our rosters accurate, what’s the point?

[Doc Rivers]

Apr 29, 2019 8:46:25 GMT -5 Penny Hardaway said:

Ive never been in a sim league where there is so much roster editing.

Then you've probably never been in a sim league as accurate as this one

[billy]

i'll be simming the playoffs and as long as someone puts the players on the right teams, i don't care what their ratings are, as long as most GMs are cool with it. I also think when I say "most GMs" i'd only be counting the ones in the playoffs at this point

[Penny Hardaway]

Damn i guess i can't have an opinion around here , No i actually have been in more accurate leagues but its usually done all at the beginning of the league and from there we let the cards fold where they do, players in nba decline and improve almost every other month there is no special formula to get our players to average how its going according to the nba,especially % wise the only way is to constantly change ratings and who evers doing the changes will eventually drive himself insane.

[Penny Hardaway]

Apr 29, 2019 10:47:52 GMT -5 Steve Jobs said:

Apr 29, 2019 8:46:25 GMT -5 Penny Hardaway said:

Ive never been in a sim league where there is so much roster editing.

LOL What does that even mean? You want your players to get one build and be stagnant forever.

Regardless, We had one major ratings overhaul that corresponded with the simulation engine changing it’s ratings, and since then we literally haven’t touched a single one. We’re not doing “so much roster editing,” we’re fine tuning the roster overhaul that HAD to happen if we were going to keep using Basketball-GM to do our sims. If we’re not interested in keeping our rosters accurate, what’s the point?

No lol 1 .There should be an engine that improves and declines the players rating automatically for us anyway.... You do one big overhaul and based on potential, age and other ratings the engine will improve or decline the players, it wouldnt be stagnent as you claim and no thats not what i want, all im saying is since ive been here we havent had a season where we arent editing rosters , my question is when does it stop or is plan to every month or 2 to edit the rosters according to real life?

[Shaq O'Neal]

Apr 29, 2019 12:36:48 GMT -5 Penny Hardaway said:

Apr 29, 2019 10:47:52 GMT -5 Steve Jobs said:

LOL What does that even mean? You want your players to get one build and be stagnant forever.

Regardless, We had one major ratings overhaul that corresponded with the simulation engine changing it’s ratings, and since then we literally haven’t touched a single one. We’re not doing “so much roster editing,” we’re fine tuning the roster overhaul that HAD to happen if we were going to keep using Basketball-GM to do our sims. If we’re not interested in keeping our rosters accurate, what’s the point?

No lol 1 .There should be an engine that improves and declines the players rating automatically for us anyway.... You do one big overhaul and based on potential, age and other ratings the engine will improve or decline the players, it wouldnt be stagnent as you claim and no thats not what i want, all im saying is since ive been here we havent had a season where we arent editing rosters , my question is when does it stop or is plan to every month or 2 to edit the rosters according to real life?

The bb gm engine does change the ratings of the players after each season but it wont be accurate and it is randomized to some extent.Also if we do that then our trades would start relying on sim builds rather than real life play and potential and hence this rebuilding will never stop as the quality of play changes a lot.I would suggest maybe having specific rebuild periods like twice or thrice a season in the offseason,all star break etc.A system like this would make the ratings accurate and the load wont be much as we would have specific time periods for rebuilds

[Pete Maravich]

The plan, from what I recall, was to let the current build ride through this season and to use alexnoob (not sure if that is actually correct name) builds next year forward. Steve just brought this up to see if we could get some adjustments in since we are ahead of schedule.

[Penny Hardaway]

Apr 29, 2019 13:07:31 GMT -5 Shaq O'Neal said:

Apr 29, 2019 12:36:48 GMT -5 Penny Hardaway said:

No lol 1 .There should be an engine that improves and declines the players rating automatically for us anyway.... You do one big overhaul and based on potential, age and other ratings the engine will improve or decline the players, it wouldnt be stagnent as you claim and no thats not what i want, all im saying is since ive been here we havent had a season where we arent editing rosters , my question is when does it stop or is plan to every month or 2 to edit the rosters according to real life?

The bb gm engine does change the ratings of the players after each season but it wont be accurate and it is randomized to some extent.Also if we do that then our trades would start relying on sim builds rather than real life play and potential and hence this rebuilding will never stop as the quality of play changes a lot.I would suggest maybe having specific rebuild periods like twice or thrice a season in the offseason,all star break etc.A system like this would make the ratings accurate and the load wont be much as we would have specific time periods for rebuilds

Thats what im saying we basically would be doing the sims job , so that would be a constant job on whoevers doing it, thats why i say whoever it is will go insane its a non stop process and all it does is bring arguing honestly as every gm wants to make sure how they view there player is how they are rated as others may not think so and so forth.

It doesnt matter to me which way we do it , 1. whoever editing it constantly or 2. Let the sim do the progression.

Was just stating how i've never been in a sim that changes rosters so often, next time ill just keep the thought to myself.

[Penny Hardaway]

Apr 29, 2019 13:18:30 GMT -5 Pete Maravich said:

The plan, from what I recall, was to let the current build ride through this season and to use alexnoob (not sure if that is actually correct name) builds next year forward. Steve just brought this up to see if we could get some adjustments in since we are ahead of schedule.

This and on top off that was to do edits only during offseason and during the allstar break if need be.

[billy]

ftr a bunch of useless posts were moved here: dynasty720.proboards.com/thread/6697/thread-posts-where-billy-fights

[Steve Jobs]

This is a league that aspires to accuracy with real life as much as possible. We had several back to back seasons where ratings were never even a marginal issue and everybody had players they felt were accurate to real life. We’re GOING TO CONTINUE DOING THAT. One offseason/season where the sim engine changed and we haven’t had a chance to perfect our rebuild system DOES NOT equate with a never ending mission to rebuild 450 players every few months. It’ll function like it always has when it’s ready: someone sees a player they think needs to be rebuilt, they post about it, supply evidence for why they believe the change is warranted and what skills have improved/declined, and we have a team of GMs that take the improvements in context with the rest of the player’s career and generate a build that fits them. If some players get missed once that’s a thing, that’s their GMs fault for not requesting a rebuild.

Furthermore, we have plenty of options, including sourcing our ratings from someone else who generates and/or update them, that don’t include driving anyone insane.

If you think it changes to much, you’re ignoring that real life is the source of those changes, thus you’re acknowledging that you truly aren’t interested in having accurate sim builds and just want to build a team that you cross your fingers and hope is good in the sims. That’s the exact opposite of what D720 aspires to be.

[Theodore Duncan]

Eh.. I thought that we fixed pretty much the autoconverted ratings and had rebuild like 95% of the guys accurately once Billy quit doing it.
Of course that was earlier this year and some players who continued improving could use a bump and vice versa for other players. What I'm worried is that if we rebuild again 10-20% of the players now, will they be done with the same philosophy as what Billy was doing? because he had gotten a good feeling about the ratings and was doing it with a lot of gut feeling

There are multiple different ways of doing the ratings "right". When comparing for example to Alexnoobs rosters, he had much higher ratings across the board as we did, but still in the end the game results and stats with both styles are the same.

[Steve Jobs]

Apr 29, 2019 14:46:56 GMT -5 Theodore Duncan said:

Eh.. I thought that we fixed pretty much the autoconverted ratings and had rebuild like 95% of the guys accurately once Billy quit doing it.
Of course that was earlier this year and some players who continued improving could use a bump and vice versa for other players. What I'm worried is that if we rebuild again 10-20% of the players now, will they be done with the same philosophy as what Billy was doing? because he had gotten a good feeling about the ratings and was doing it with a lot of gut feeling

There are multiple different ways of doing the ratings "right". When comparing for example to Alexnoobs rosters, he had much higher ratings across the board as we did, but still in the end the game results and stats with both styles are the same.

TBH i’d rather just adopt Alexnoob’s rosters than try to rebuild 10-20% of our current system when nobody except Billy knows enough about it to keep it going consistently. Maybe we should just put THAT to a vote instead... Alexnoob’s vs current rosters for the playoffs and then we’ll go from there.

[Shaq O'Neal]

I think changing rosters to Alexnoobs rosters now is a bad idea .Maybe AlexNoobs rosters after the playoffs is a possibility but before that just seems like a bad idea as I think there might be some significant change between our current rosters and Alexnoobs rosters which might lead to problems as there is no guarantee it will be more accurate than our current rosters

[Penny Hardaway]

Apr 29, 2019 14:35:43 GMT -5 Steve Jobs said:

This is a league that aspires to accuracy with real life as much as possible. We had several back to back seasons where ratings were never even a marginal issue and everybody had players they felt were accurate to real life. We’re GOING TO CONTINUE DOING THAT. One offseason/season where the sim engine changed and we haven’t had a chance to perfect our rebuild system DOES NOT equate with a never ending mission to rebuild 450 players every few months. It’ll function like it always has when it’s ready: someone sees a player they think needs to be rebuilt, they post about it, supply evidence for why they believe the change is warranted and what skills have improved/declined, and we have a team of GMs that take the improvements in context with the rest of the player’s career and generate a build that fits them. If some players get missed once that’s a thing, that’s their GMs fault for not requesting a rebuild.

Furthermore, we have plenty of options, including sourcing our ratings from someone else who generates and/or update them, that don’t include driving anyone insane.

If you think it changes to much, you’re ignoring that real life is the source of those changes, thus you’re acknowledging that you truly aren’t interested in having accurate sim builds and just want to build a team that you cross your fingers and hope is good in the sims. That’s the exact opposite of what D720 aspires to be.

For the record i wasnt trying to change D720 at all dont know where all that came from. All I saw was another thread about roster changes when thought we recently had a vote about this and settled it as Pete even said so out out frustration posted my thoughts which by all accounts are accurate. " never seen so many changes etc in this league"

I spoke the truth and even got a clear reply stating so " you must never been a league like D720 before"


And I got a even better response from OKC asking me what does that mean , as he just didnt assume and he went further on giving his opinion and clarifying that this wasnt about new roster changes but completing our original overhual which are different things. I agreed with his opnion in my replies that i didnt want a stagnant roster, there wasnt a problem just difference of opinions and clearing our meanings.


If we are just finishing up our major overhual it makes sense to start as soon as possible.

But the confusing part is i thought we were using somebody else's roster file anyway (anoob) after this season, so why even edit this file? And i thought we already agreed to edit rosters in the offseason and during Allstar break , aka 2 times a year. Thats the frustration we had a plan i thought going foward and all of a sudden we might have a roster change right before playoffs.

[Nino Brown]

I don’t really understand the point of waiting until there are literally a few games left in the season to do this. Seems kinda odd, and unnecessary, because we’re ahead of pace, and there will be ample amount of time to properly configure players. I get aiming for accuracy, but the timing of this is just bad, dozens and dozens of games went by, and no one brought up rebuilds, but now all of a sudden right before playoffs it’s become a thing again? Not to mention the fact that we agreed to configure players and switch to Noob’s rating system months ago.

[Stuff The Magic Dragon]

TLDR

[Ron Artest(1x Champ)]

I’d be on board with this if

A. We were actually going to use our current build system going forward

B. We didn’t agree to switch to Noob’s rating system AFTER the playoffs(offseason) We literally voted on this btw...

C. This wasn’t a handful of games away from the playoffs, seems like an Inconvenience to a lot of GM’s hard work. I could see if we had 30-40 games to adjust to these new ratings(For like the 1 millionth time), but we don’t. We had plenty of time before this point to rebuild for playoffs, we literally stopped the league for weeks at one point, like come on now.