DAL - GS

[Yeezy]

Dallas trades:

Marc Gasol $34,155,000 $36,382,500

Josh Jackson $5,882,900 $7,441,869 $9,815,825
Lonnie Walker $2,527,200 $2,647,700 $4,061,572 $5,706,508
TOR 2020 1st

PHI 2022 1st

ORL 2021 1st top 8 protected

NOP 2020 2nd
OKC 2020 2nd
DEN 2021 2nd
Total $42,565,100

GS trades:

Stephen Curry $34,155,000 $36,382,500 $38,610,000

Richaun Holmes $3,400,000 $3,400,000 $3,400,000

Total $37,555,000 x 125% = $46.9M

A lot of youth and picks to give up but it's Steph, pairing him with Luka and Zion is just sick and I had to try.  Still have shit load of cap next year to build a super team hopefully.

Might regret blowing my load without a team that can actually win but eh, worth a shot.

[Doc Rivers]

Yuck

[Paul Pierce]

Imma be so mad if this passes lol

[Dirk Nowitzki]

Warriors accept, getting 3 firsts + lonnie Walker and even though expensive Gasol with WCS gives us the C rotation we are looking for.

The trade commitee has to understand I dont want to go lateral with Curry,to me this is similar to the bulls offer but with more 1st's and more 2nds. I want to obtain picks and youth while he still has any value as Curry isnt getting any stronger or better with age.

I feel this isnt going to hurt our franchise in fact we think its going to secure it for the better long-term versus waiting 3 -4 years to finally be able to rebuild with no picks. I just want to get ahead of the curve while still being competive because even with curry thats all we will be is competive anyway.

Curry isnt going to be worth 3 firsts next year and definetly not the year after, let alone throwing in a prospect like Walker.

[Yeezy]

Oct 1, 2019 14:27:31 GMT -5 Paul Pierce said:

Imma be so mad if this passes lol

Lonnie and JJ better than Hunter tho

[Deleted]

Jackson is a scrub! Lonnie is unproven!
Gasol is old af!
Your trading a NBA champion and mvp for lottery tickets, and why would curry get rid of his NTC for a unproven team like Dallas in 720 coming off a title here??
🤔🤔🤔

[Ron Artest(1x Champ)]

Oct 1, 2019 17:25:06 GMT -5 @xavier0717 said:

Jackson is a scrub! Lonnie is unproven!
Gasol is old af!
Your trading a NBA champion and mvp for lottery tickets, and why would curry get rid of his NTC for a unproven team like Dallas in 720 coming off a title here??
🤔🤔🤔

Jackson still has potential. He had a stretch of games last year where he looked like baby Kawhi. We also have to factor in that he’s still only 22. Also, when you had Lonnie, you never once used the “unproven” argument in regards to offloading him. We can point to multiple “unproven” youngsters in this league that have been involved in trades. Take MPJ for example. Lonnie genuinely has high potential from his measurements, to the limited gameplay we’ve seen. Not to mention he’s playing under the best coach in basketball, at worst I think it’s safe to assume he can be a useful 6th man. I’m more or less on board with the Gasol synopsis, but Curry + Doncic + Zion to me is a lot more promising than whatever the Warriors are planning. In this one scenario, I could see Curry waiving his trade clause considering these are generational talents he’s joining, one could argue they’d help extend his career.

Accept for me.

[Deleted]

"Baby kawaii"
Lmao, Jackson is starting the season in the g-league and might not even make the opening day roster. Walker has a great coach and could very well be a great asset, time will tell for that.
The picks aren't looking the greatest either if we're judging the team they belong to on paper but I don't get a vote this is just my opinion.

[Paul Pierce]

Oct 1, 2019 15:37:37 GMT -5 Yeezy said:

Oct 1, 2019 14:27:31 GMT -5 Paul Pierce said:

Imma be so mad if this passes lol

Lonnie and JJ better than Hunter tho

what lol. Lonnie is not more valuable than hunter in the league and JJ isn’t gonna be in a rotation this season. He’s not good

[Paul Pierce]

Oct 1, 2019 17:59:50 GMT -5 Ron Artest(1x Champ) said:

Oct 1, 2019 17:25:06 GMT -5 @xavier0717 said:

Jackson is a scrub! Lonnie is unproven!
Gasol is old af!
Your trading a NBA champion and mvp for lottery tickets, and why would curry get rid of his NTC for a unproven team like Dallas in 720 coming off a title here??
🤔🤔🤔

Jackson still has potential. He had a stretch of games last year where he looked like baby Kawhi. We also have to factor in that he’s still only 22. Also, when you had Lonnie, you never once used the “unproven” argument in regards to offloading him. We can point to multiple “unproven” youngsters in this league that have been involved in trades. Take MPJ for example. Lonnie genuinely has high potential from his measurements, to the limited gameplay we’ve seen. Not to mention he’s playing under the best coach in basketball, at worst I think it’s safe to assume he can be a useful 6th man. I’m more or less on board with the Gasol synopsis, but Curry + Doncic + Zion to me is a lot more promising than whatever the Warriors are planning. In this one scenario, I could see Curry waiving his trade clause considering these are generational talents he’s joining, one could argue they’d help extend his career.

Accept for me.

How can you accept this but reject mine? Hunter was literally a top pick this season. JJ already busted. He’s done, his off court antics mixed with his poor play has killed his value. Plus the 1sts I offered were way more valuable than this.

[Yeezy]

Oct 1, 2019 20:19:40 GMT -5 Paul Pierce said:

Oct 1, 2019 15:37:37 GMT -5 Yeezy said:

Lonnie and JJ better than Hunter tho

what lol. Lonnie is not more valuable than hunter in the league and JJ isn’t gonna be in a rotation this season. He’s not good

I'll bet you Lonnie ends up better than Hunter, $5 on Venmo based on some kind of advanced stat at the end of next season.

JJ is 22, not sure what @xavier0717 means he hasn't had any other run ins with the law since the trade (yes they are bad but hey, he's fucking 22). A new situation, better surroundings, and he could turn it around:  www.commercialappeal.com/story/sports/nba/grizzlies/2019/10/01/memphis-grizzlies-optimistic-josh-jacksons-g-league-stint/3818486002/

[Paul Pierce]

Oct 1, 2019 21:18:46 GMT -5 Yeezy said:

Oct 1, 2019 20:19:40 GMT -5 Paul Pierce said:

what lol. Lonnie is not more valuable than hunter in the league and JJ isn’t gonna be in a rotation this season. He’s not good

I'll bet you Lonnie ends up better than Hunter, $5 on Venmo based on some kind of advanced stat at the end of next season.

JJ is 22, not sure what @xavier0717 means he hasn't had any other run ins with the law since the trade (yes they are bad but hey, he's fucking 22). A new situation, better surroundings, and he could turn it around:  www.commercialappeal.com/story/sports/nba/grizzlies/2019/10/01/memphis-grizzlies-optimistic-josh-jacksons-g-league-stint/3818486002/

Top 3 pick in the gleague 3 years in is super concerning. Hunters only a rookie but I’ll do 5$ Venmo he has a better PER next year. Not saying the trade is horrible it’s just my trade was at least on par with it and mine got unanimously vetoed.

[Yeezy]

Oct 1, 2019 22:56:12 GMT -5 Paul Pierce said:

Oct 1, 2019 21:18:46 GMT -5 Yeezy said:

I'll bet you Lonnie ends up better than Hunter, $5 on Venmo based on some kind of advanced stat at the end of next season.

JJ is 22, not sure what @xavier0717 means he hasn't had any other run ins with the law since the trade (yes they are bad but hey, he's fucking 22). A new situation, better surroundings, and he could turn it around:  www.commercialappeal.com/story/sports/nba/grizzlies/2019/10/01/memphis-grizzlies-optimistic-josh-jacksons-g-league-stint/3818486002/

Top 3 pick in the gleague 3 years in is super concerning. Hunters only a rookie but I’ll do 5$ Venmo he has a better PER next year. Not saying the trade is horrible it’s just my trade was at least on par with it and mine got unanimously vetoed.

Fair points

[Stuff The Magic Dragon]

Now kiss

[Scott Pilgrim]

[Dirk Nowitzki]

Oct 1, 2019 22:56:12 GMT -5 Paul Pierce said:

Oct 1, 2019 21:18:46 GMT -5 Yeezy said:

I'll bet you Lonnie ends up better than Hunter, $5 on Venmo based on some kind of advanced stat at the end of next season.

JJ is 22, not sure what @xavier0717 means he hasn't had any other run ins with the law since the trade (yes they are bad but hey, he's fucking 22). A new situation, better surroundings, and he could turn it around:  www.commercialappeal.com/story/sports/nba/grizzlies/2019/10/01/memphis-grizzlies-optimistic-josh-jacksons-g-league-stint/3818486002/

Top 3 pick in the gleague 3 years in is super concerning. Hunters only a rookie but I’ll do 5$ Venmo he has a better PER next year. Not saying the trade is horrible it’s just my trade was at least on par with it and mine got unanimously vetoed.

I even mentioned it was similar hunter=lonnie. but main difference was the extra 1st and getting JJ(extra prospect) and 2nds added.

[Ron Artest(1x Champ)]

Oct 1, 2019 19:37:32 GMT -5 @xavier0717 said:

"Baby kawaii"
Lmao, Jackson is starting the season in the g-league and might not even make the opening day roster. Walker has a great coach and could very well be a great asset, time will tell for that.
The picks aren't looking the greatest either if we're judging the team they belong to on paper but I don't get a vote this is just my opinion.

I said he looked like Baby Kawhi at one point during a short stretch of games. This isn’t a player that’s yet to show some kinda of potential.

[White Mamba]

This is a hilariously bad trade for the warriors.

Also lmfao at calling Josh Jackson baby Kawhi. That's worse than when Tommy Heinshon called Greg Steimsma the modern Bill Russell.

At least Greg could actually play.

[Ron Artest(1x Champ)]

Oct 2, 2019 9:15:42 GMT -5 White Mamba said:

This is a hilariously bad trade for the warriors.

Also lmfao at calling Josh Jackson baby Kawhi. That's worse than when Tommy Heinshon called Greg Steimsma the modern Bill Russell.

At least Greg could actually play.

Can’t tell if my original statement is being met with incompetence, or if y’all are intentionally being dense. He had a stretch of games in a row where he put up 25+. Also to finish out the season he put up 19/8, plus a block and a steal on 40% from 3. I’m simply saying with that aggression/plus his defensive ability, he looked like baby Kawhi, if only momentarily. His problem has always been consistency, so pretending like he has zero value or potential won’t change facts.

[White Mamba]

Oct 2, 2019 9:58:37 GMT -5 Ron Artest(1x Champ) said:

Oct 2, 2019 9:15:42 GMT -5 White Mamba said:

This is a hilariously bad trade for the warriors.

Also lmfao at calling Josh Jackson baby Kawhi. That's worse than when Tommy Heinshon called Greg Steimsma the modern Bill Russell.

At least Greg could actually play.

Can’t tell if my original statement is being met with incompetence, or if y’all are intentionally being dense. He had a stretch of games in a row where he put up 25+. Also to finish out the season he put up 19/8, plus a block and a steal on 40% from 3. I’m simply saying with that aggression/plus his defensive ability, he looked like baby Kawhi, if only momentarily. His problem has always been consistency, so pretending like he has zero value or potential won’t change facts.

What are you talking about??

Josh Jackson only scored 25+ points in 5 of his 79 total games.

He only had 7 games where he shot 40%+ from three on 4 or more attempts.

Your assertions are demonstratably false.

[Yeezy]

Imma pull a KG, 1-0 after 24 hours, trade passed?

[Ed Cooley]

someone tag Tc

[Brian Scalabrine]

What happened to getting rid of Melo's contract?

[Brian Scalabrine]

Imo, a Steph trade is going to require at least ONE, preferably two, large foundational piece. I guess that Walker is supposed to be that in this deal (like Hunter in the last) but he doesn't really have that kind of profile for me. And I even like Walker.

It's not just a matter of "got one more pick"--none of these picks even look like likely lottery picks. Lonnie Walker would have to be criminally good for this deal to not become a disaster.


I've got some fatigue in shooting down trades, but I don't even think this one is better than the last one.

Reject.

[Brian Scalabrine]

Also, Josh Jackson is one bad season away from being as valuable as Dragan Bender, Thon Maker, Marquese Chriss. He's fine as a peripheral move with some upside , but as a piece in this deal he does not move the needle at all.

[Stuff The Magic Dragon]

Oct 2, 2019 16:01:51 GMT -5 Yeezy said:

Imma pull a KG, 1-0 after 24 hours, trade passed?

4 days and tag the TC lol

[Dirk Nowitzki]

What sucks about this is the damn TC has there own value on Curry and other
29 teams don't rewlly agree. Sorry but this is best offer besides maybe bulls offer because its direction i want to go and not many teams even want curry or got assets i want for him , there is only a handfull of teams that want curry and they dont have what i am looking for. Ive made it clear i dont want to go laterally for Curry, i want picks and youth simple as that. Both trades i loved got turned down because of your guys value for curry not mine and also the market isnt anywhere near what you guys think there is for curry. I just freaking qant picks and youth so i can do what i want with this team, dont force me to go for a championship when i dont feel we wont win, i want to start my rebuild and it starts with curry bwing gone and getting any 1sts and youth, how are you guys going to judge me on a rebuilding team when any rebuilding all they want is picks and youth. Thats what i am getting and i am more then happy with this haul. Can i please just do what i want with my team its not franchise ruining at all. Yes i degress but we know that its part of rebuilding....

[Brian Scalabrine]

If this is the best offer you're getting for curry... Wait.

What reason do you have to NOT wait? You don't own your 2020 pick. You lose nothing by holding out for the best package.

Your team is the favorite to win the chip anyway--it JUST won, so rebuilding is a hard sell. But if that's really what you're gonna do... You lose nothing by waiting until GMs are active again, or until newly signed players can be traded.

You're trying to trade in the dead season. I get that you're eager and trying to make moves, but you could help yourself a lot by slowing your roll.

[Theodore Duncan]

Rest of the TC not yet voted:
Pete Maravich
Steve Jobs
Scott Pilgrim
Justin Timberlake
White Mamba

[Steve Jobs]

Oct 2, 2019 21:15:55 GMT -5 Dirk Nowitzki said:

What sucks about this is the damn TC has there own value on Curry and other
29 teams don't rewlly agree. Sorry but this is best offer besides maybe bulls offer because its direction i want to go and not many teams even want curry or got assets i want for him , there is only a handfull of teams that want curry and they dont have what i am looking for. Ive made it clear i dont want to go laterally for Curry, i want picks and youth simple as that. Both trades i loved got turned down because of your guys value for curry not mine and also the market isnt anywhere near what you guys think there is for curry. I just freaking qant picks and youth so i can do what i want with this team, dont force me to go for a championship when i dont feel we wont win, i want to start my rebuild and it starts with curry bwing gone and getting any 1sts and youth, how are you guys going to judge me on a rebuilding team when any rebuilding all they want is picks and youth. Thats what i am getting and i am more then happy with this haul. Can i please just do what i want with my team its not franchise ruining at all. Yes i degress but we know that its part of rebuilding....

I get why it’s tempting to have a “The TC is screwing me” sensation when your trades don’t go through, but take a second to consider that just because you DO currently run the Warriors, doesn’t mean you always have or always will run the Warriors. Plenty of new GMs who might have taken control of this Warriors team when you did would adamantly disagree with your decisions.

Think of it like this: If you trade Steph and then get hit by a car tomorrow and die, we will mourn for you but inevitably another GM will take your place. Ask yourself if the next GSW GM is going to think you took the best deal available for a player you absolutely had to trade, or if they will just be pissed that a top 3 most valuable player (both to the sim and as a trade piece) got moved for less than they would have demanded.

You don’t like it, because you’re the GM and you should be able to do what you want, but the TC exists outside of that and can/does by necessity make decisions with those kinds of scenarios in mind.

Is this the worst deal you could ever get for a MVP caliber point guard over 30 on a team you’re not confident you can keep together? Obviously not. But if we tell you that we’re confident you can get more, why take offense to it? It’s certifiable proof, which you can point to in negotiations, that what someone is offering you in a trade for Steph isn’t enough and that you can hold them to the fire to demand more assets out of them. It’s not a crime to assign astronomical value to a player (even one you don’t plan to keep) and not budge on a trade offer unless someone matches your asking price. Say “Steph is worth at least 2 ACTUALLY promising young players and 3-5 firsts with no less than 2 projected lottery picks” and see who answers the call. Best case scenario, multiple teams answer the call and you can get them into a bidding war to drive up the value.

I guess what I’m trying to say is this: if you “love” the value you’ve been offered in either of these accepted deals for Steph, then you’re undervaluing Steph and need to step back from trading until you have a more firm grasp of what asset value is like league wide and the confidence to demand no less than what you believe Steph is actually worth, even if it means you don’t make a trade. For all you know, making that one small change will be enough to get multiple offers better than this before our season starts and nothing changes. Worst case scenario (to you, right now, I guess...), you come to realize that Steph is invaluable and re-adjust your game plan to incorporate him for as long as he can single handedly elevate your team to the top echelon of contenders.

And like Brian said, if there really isn’t a market for Steph that’s better than this deal, what harm is there in waiting? Worst case scenario you make this deal a few months down the line with no obvious consequences from those few extra wins because you don’t have your pick anyway. Maybe if you were actively targeting your pick with the Steph deal it’d be different, but since it’s just “the most I can get from whoever will offer it,” the win production of your team doesn’t hurt you at all.

All that to say... I hoped to avoid voting on this, but I’m going to reject.