billy
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Post by billy on Jun 4, 2020 19:09:54 GMT -5
Hey.
We're either going to do this like the NBA or just do a regular season.
The way the "like NBA" version would go is we would sim 8 more games (for everyone). If any teams meet the criteria to have an 8th seed tournament, we'd edit them onto playoff teams and do the tournament rules. Then playoffs would start.
Or we just finish the 82 game season and sim playoffs as usual.
Either way we won't begin until the NBA does.
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Jackie Kong
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Post by Jackie Kong on Jun 4, 2020 19:45:10 GMT -5
I voted 82 games and normal Playoffs. To me though, the most important part is what billy already said about waiting for real life games to resume before resuming D720. That way you avoid a potential huge time gap between this season and the following one.
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Post by Scott Pilgrim on Jun 4, 2020 20:10:28 GMT -5
Might as well just stick to 82 games since BBGM will factor in Home and Away Advantage/Disadvantage into playoff games already.
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Post by Yeezy on Jun 4, 2020 20:36:47 GMT -5
Is this a sim league or a FAKE league? Sad!
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Post by Stuff The Magic Dragon on Jun 4, 2020 20:37:47 GMT -5
I simmed this 14,000,605 times and I won ONCE! Continue as normal!
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jun 4, 2020 20:39:05 GMT -5
I think this is a great opportunity to try to follow a very strange and interesting NBA season, and we should do so. Would be fun to see the play-in happen, the race for the 8 seed in the west would be fun to watch.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jun 4, 2020 20:48:36 GMT -5
The farthest back team that is going to finish the NBA season is the Suns, 6 games back from the 8 seed. I think it makes sense to do what the NBA is doing--but adjusting that standard to our league. So, not 22 teams, but the current teams in playoffs plus the Bucks, Grizzlies, and Nuggets.
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Post by Jackie Kong on Jun 4, 2020 21:10:33 GMT -5
I think this is a great opportunity to try to follow a very strange and interesting NBA season, and we should do so. Then again the virus isn't really an opportunity for anyone except supermarkets, online shopping and people selling masks. Well, more too but it isn't really an opportunity. I mean real life season will have an asterisk so they probably would avoid it if they could. The 22 teams format though is just a desperate attempt to use rookie Zion a bit more to get some ratings.
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Allan Houston
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Post by Allan Houston on Jun 5, 2020 20:43:26 GMT -5
Under either scenario, how would we handle injuries?
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Post by billy on Jun 5, 2020 21:24:15 GMT -5
Under either scenario, how would we handle injuries? Whatever regular season game # they come back IRL they will come back in the sim
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jun 6, 2020 13:24:17 GMT -5
I'm disappointed that folks don't wanna do the real shit. When is this gonna happen again? It's weird and quirky and of course the NBA would rather not have to do all of this... But it seems like a cop out to me to not even try to follow the NBA on this one
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Post by Jackie Kong on Jun 6, 2020 13:44:48 GMT -5
but you are asking eliminated teams to basically forget about D720 till lottery. That's what I mean by avoiding it if possible. 'real shit' is basically reducing the amount of regular season games and reducing the amount of teams. Thing new is a potential elimination game for 8th? Even then it is just a game for a position no many people care about. Or I am missing more? i don't see much upside in that for D720 in particular.
One could say real life teams will play 8 regular season games against better teams making things more interesting. True but they will still be regular season games. Plus, teams that already made it to the Playoffs usually start playing the bench the last couple of games. And they will almost certainly play the bench a lot more because of fitness related issues.
So, if you think about it even if we reduce the season it probably wont be at all like real life.
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Post by Theodore Duncan on Jun 7, 2020 9:36:02 GMT -5
but you are asking eliminated teams to basically forget about D720 till lottery.
Do tanking teams generally even care anything but lottery and draft night anyways?
They are basically the least active teams , as there is nothing to do. Just logging in to see if they lost with 10 or 20 points. It's going to be super long wait until draft and FA in October, but that's it for all, not just eliminated teams.
But then there is also basically almost no wait before 2020/21 season starts.. instead of having the quiet off-season from August to November.. it's just now from June til October, or something like that
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Post by Scott Pilgrim on Jun 7, 2020 10:41:18 GMT -5
Why not we do best of both worlds, 82 games with a potential 8th seed play-in tournament?
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Post by Jackie Kong on Jun 7, 2020 12:34:02 GMT -5
but you are asking eliminated teams to basically forget about D720 till lottery.
Do tanking teams generally even care anything but lottery and draft night anyways? From my experience, tanking teams are even more active than the rest when it comes to losing games late in the season.
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Post by Allan Houston on Jun 8, 2020 13:08:50 GMT -5
In the first scenario, I assume for draft lotto purposes we lock in at the current standings. One thing we need to figure out, though, is expirings. Typically, there's no trade deadline for lotto teams, but once the season is over, they can't trade expirings. If we do the first scenario, then 8 teams' seasons will be over. Can they trade expirings?
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jun 8, 2020 16:04:17 GMT -5
In the firstvscenario, I assume for draft lotto purposes we lock in at the current standings. One thing we need to figure out, though, is expirings. Typically, there's no trade deadline for lotto teams, but once the season is over, they can't trade expirings. If we do the first scenario, then 8 teams' seasons will be over. Can they trade expirings? I don’t think it’ll matter, continue as normal is still winning out just like the initial polls results suggested it would.
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Post by Stuff The Magic Dragon on Jun 9, 2020 6:30:36 GMT -5
17/30 GMs, what about the rest?
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jun 9, 2020 9:07:42 GMT -5
Wtf, yesterday it said 11-7, now it’s 9-8... how did we lose a vote and who switched theirs?
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Post by Steve Jobs on Jun 9, 2020 9:29:03 GMT -5
I initially voted for Follow the NBA exactly, but that was with the knowledge (at the time), that the NBA returning at all this season wasn’t guaranteed and that I didn’t see any sense in trekking on if the season ended since ideally the league is supposed to be about realism. Now that the league has settled on a plan to come back and have a final regular season standings + full playoff pool, the logical progression for us is to finish as normal.
The time/effort required to set up a system that resembles what the league is doing, with absolutely no hope of some kind of extra payoff for said time/effort, completely misses the point and is in many ways counter productive to the “realism” we’re aiming for. Spending hours preparing/testing the process just to match the NBA for the uniqueness of what they’re doing isn’t something I have any real interest in going through with when our simulation is designed to tank through 82 games + playoffs in about 45 seconds.
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Post by Jackie Kong on Jun 9, 2020 13:50:35 GMT -5
Wtf, yesterday it said 11-7, now it’s 9-8... how did we lose a vote and who switched theirs? Weird. True. But it made the poll interesting and dramatic.
So, I voted normal but I am thinking now of changing it so I can change it back at the last second.
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Post by Shaq O'Neal on Jun 16, 2020 2:25:35 GMT -5
How are we going to handle injuries now? For example,unless the Spurs make the playoffs,ALdridge will miss 8 games in real life.Will he be able to play for HOU here or since he had a season ending surgery,he would be removed?
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Post by Stuff The Magic Dragon on Jun 16, 2020 5:46:25 GMT -5
13-7. Do we have 10 vacant teams? 👀
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Post by Jackie Kong on Jun 16, 2020 15:44:26 GMT -5
13-7. Do we have 10 vacant teams? 👀 Some could be undecided though so they rather no vote which is understandable.
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Post by Jackie Kong on Jun 22, 2020 16:27:26 GMT -5
if 'normal' wins does that mean that players who opt not to go to Orlando will still be available here? It seems like some players who are about to become FAs will opt not to travel in order to prevent potential injuries. And I imagine that's mostly going to be the case for players who are expiring and underpaid with the second part meaning that they will not lose that much money if they don't travel. Missed salary for opting not to play is directly related to the player's salary.
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Post by billy on Jun 22, 2020 17:13:34 GMT -5
if 'normal' wins does that mean that players who opt not to go to Orlando will still be available here? It seems like some players who are about to become FAs will opt not to travel in order to prevent potential injuries. And I imagine that's mostly going to be the case for players who are expiring and underpaid with the second part meaning that they will not lose that much money if they don't travel. Missed salary for opting not to play is directly related to the player's salary. If they dont come back in the regular season they dont come back
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Post by Jackie Kong on Jun 22, 2020 17:44:06 GMT -5
But then it makes it better for GMs to have players in the 8 teams that wont join the bubble unless those players wont be available either.
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Post by billy on Jun 22, 2020 17:51:56 GMT -5
But then it makes it better for GMs to have players in the 8 teams that wont join the bubble unless those players wont be available either. not my fault rules are rules
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Post by Jackie Kong on Jun 22, 2020 17:57:01 GMT -5
but we never discussed that.
Feel like that's a big 'if'. Like big enough to re-start the pool with more option as in normal/real life and with or without bubble drop outs and if it is without the drop outs then if the players the other 8 teams should be included or not. That would make it 5 options.
Personally when I voted for 'normal' in my mind it was like 'screw the bubble' and that included players opting out. I mean, I am looking forward to the bubble in real life but if we are keeping a normal schedule then I don't see how it makes much sense to add bubble related events. Like it is one or other. But even then you have that gray area with the 8 teams that wont join the bubble. So if I could I would vote for 'full normal'.
And I get that for example Iguodala was removed from the Knicks roster in here when he decided not to play for the real life Grizzlies but that was one player with regular season circumstances with emphasis in the word 'regular'.
Not saying I am right though but at the very least I am pretty positive that it is debatable.
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Post by Yeezy on Jun 22, 2020 18:29:44 GMT -5
So if a player decides to not play in the bubble, does that just add 8 "missed" games to their total missed games and they might become "injured" per 720 rules?
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