Playoffs - League Finals - Game One

[billy]

[Jackie Kong]

It was close until Zion fouled out. It would have been super freaking awesome to win in Philly considering they haven't lost there since early May. Oh, well. Yeezy Maybe better luck next time, ha. Congrats to Goliath Scott Pilgrim .

Edit: Andre Drummond scored 14 out of 15 FTs. Almost as if Ben Simmons made 4 out of 5 3s in one game. Steve Jobs

[Scott Pilgrim]

Drummond looking like Prime Shaq (with god-given FT skills).

We edged it in the end, even with Harden and Lillard being trash for the first 2 and a half quarters.

Mavericks looked scary until Zion fouled out / went into the clutch.

[Jackie Kong]

Oct 21, 2020 4:11:18 GMT -5 Scott Pilgrim said:

Drummond looking like Prime Shaq (with god-given FT skills).

We edged it in the end, even with Harden and Lillard being trash for the first 2 and a half quarters.

Mavericks looked scary until Zion fouled out / went into the clutch.

McGee also went into full Bill Russell mode, lolololol.

5 points (2/4 fg) but 9 rebounds, 4 blocks and 2 steals in almost 27 minutes.

I should probably be happy for him because he was one of my boys from my Philly days but I hate him right now.  

As for Harden, it might seem like he wasn't that great but he had 15 assists with 0 turnovers so he probably did a good job leading your team's offense.

[Deleted]

Does anyone not have a problem with the fact that most of Philly's players in D720 are not the same players IRL

Everyone knows harden ain't dishing 15 assists and 0 TO IRL

And Drummond "Baby Shack"

I mean I get it we had a ratings issue a couple seasons ago but this is just absurd!

[billy]

Oct 21, 2020 6:21:17 GMT -5 @joker said:

Does anyone not have a problem with the fact that most of Philly's players in D720 are not the same players IRL

Everyone knows harden ain't dishing 15 assists and 0 TO IRL

And Drummond "Baby Shack"

I mean I get it we had a ratings issue a couple seasons ago but this is just absurd!

i agree and i suggest that instead of simming we just vote on whose roster should win each year

[Stuff The Magic Dragon]

Oct 21, 2020 7:35:09 GMT -5 billy said:

Oct 21, 2020 6:21:17 GMT -5 @joker said:

Does anyone not have a problem with the fact that most of Philly's players in D720 are not the same players IRL

Everyone knows harden ain't dishing 15 assists and 0 TO IRL

And Drummond "Baby Shack"

I mean I get it we had a ratings issue a couple seasons ago but this is just absurd!

i agree and i suggest that instead of simming we just vote on whose roster should win each year

yeah, let’s turn every game into a poll instead

[Stuff The Magic Dragon]

billy you need to talk more in these live games. We want to hear more from that sweet, sweet voice.

[Scott Pilgrim]

Oct 21, 2020 6:21:17 GMT -5 @joker said:

Does anyone not have a problem with the fact that most of Philly's players in D720 are not the same players IRL

Everyone knows harden ain't dishing 15 assists and 0 TO IRL

And Drummond "Baby Shack"

I mean I get it we had a ratings issue a couple seasons ago but this is just absurd!

Harden's assist averages in his career.



Harden's career high assist totals in his career.

KG, get back in your rocking chair and stay in yo lane!

[Jackie Kong]

For the record I personally wasn't complaining with what I commented earlier. Just wanted to keep it real talking about the game. :)

And maybe I made a comment about ratings now and then but I will be happy for Scott Pilgrim if he ends up winning because he gave a good effort this Season.

I mean, I would be sort of sad if it ends with a 4-0 blowout but still, lololol. I do believe though Mavs still have a legit chance. Would have been ideal if Game 1 was a win but Game 2 could be as important so I am like .

[Deleted]

Oct 21, 2020 9:16:48 GMT -5 Scott Pilgrim said:

Oct 21, 2020 6:21:17 GMT -5 @joker said:

Does anyone not have a problem with the fact that most of Philly's players in D720 are not the same players IRL

Everyone knows harden ain't dishing 15 assists and 0 TO IRL

And Drummond "Baby Shack"

I mean I get it we had a ratings issue a couple seasons ago but this is just absurd!

Harden's assist averages in his career.



Harden's career high assist totals in his career.

KG, get back in your rocking chair and stay in yo lane!

I was talking the 0 Turnovers with those assist numbers youngin

[billy]

It's important to note that the way the sim works is not how you guys think it does.

Assuming the underlying engine is mostly the same last time I looked at the code, it's not an individual vs individual type of sim.

If you are imagining "James Harden holds the ball. James Harden Passes the ball to Aron Baynes for an Assist". That's not how it happens.

How the sim works is that the player's on the floor for your team are added together.
e.g. Everyone's passing is added together to get the total Team Passing value of your current lineup.
or
e.g. Everyone's stealing is added together
or
e.g. Everyone's ShootingAtRim is added together.

So say Team A has possession of the ball. The sim will have your team take a shot at a location, based on your total team shooting location ratings. So if your total team shooting location is 1000 for AtRim and 900 MidRange, you're going to take 10 shots at the rim for every 9 shots midrange (on average).

This is the kicker:

After a TEAM ACTION happens, it is then assigned to a particular player. Say your shot went in, and the sim decides it was assisted, the sim then looks at the INDIVIDUAL passing ratings for everyone on your team. (Harden 80, Lilliard 70, Player C 50, Player D 40, Player E 10). It then just randomly assigns that assist to one of the player's on the floor based on their ratings.

i.e. If you have a total team passing as indicated above as 80 + 70 + 50 + 40 + 10 = 250, then when your team gets an assist, Harden would have a 80/250 chance to be awarded that assist in the box score.

The same thing happens for turnovers, shots, steals, blocks, whatever.

So being pissed that Harden gets a lot of assists in one game with no turnovers is really just the luck of that assignment role. Notice Damian Lillard had 0 points in the 3rd quarter this game, that's also not very realistic, and it doesn't even match his rating because his shooting ratings are high! He just also has a lot of other good shooters on the floor, and so the makes got assigned to them (in this case it was Drummond), while the misses got assigned to Dame.

So yeah, maybe Hardens passing rating is a little too high (probably not), but his high passing rating isn't what gave him 17 assists and 0 turnovers. It was a function of team performance and weighted random assignment of box score statistics.

[Jackie Kong]

Plus, surprising stat lines happen in real life as well and all the time. It is just that people usually notice them when someone else mentions it. Anything can happen in one isolated game. Well, not anything but you get the idea, LOL.

Which reminds me I am still waiting for that one Quadruple Double game from anyone whether it is D720 or real life, lol. Without counting TOs of course...

[Deleted]

Oct 21, 2020 11:26:54 GMT -5 billy said:

It's important to note that the way the sim works is not how you guys think it does.

Assuming the underlying engine is mostly the same last time I looked at the code, it's not an individual vs individual type of sim.

If you are imagining "James Harden holds the ball. James Harden Passes the ball to Aron Baynes for an Assist". That's not how it happens.

How the sim works is that the player's on the floor for your team are added together.
e.g. Everyone's passing is added together to get the total Team Passing value of your current lineup.
or
e.g. Everyone's stealing is added together
or
e.g. Everyone's ShootingAtRim is added together.

So say Team A has possession of the ball. The sim will have your team take a shot at a location, based on your total team shooting location ratings. So if your total team shooting location is 1000 for AtRim and 900 MidRange, you're going to take 10 shots at the rim for every 9 shots midrange (on average).

This is the kicker:

After a TEAM ACTION happens, it is then assigned to a particular player. Say your shot went in, and the sim decides it was assisted, the sim then looks at the INDIVIDUAL passing ratings for everyone on your team. (Harden 80, Lilliard 70, Player C 50, Player D 40, Player E 10). It then just randomly assigns that assist to one of the player's on the floor based on their ratings.

i.e. If you have a total team passing as indicated above as 80 + 70 + 50 + 40 + 10 = 250, then when your team gets an assist, Harden would have a 80/250 chance to be awarded that assist in the box score.

The same thing happens for turnovers, shots, steals, blocks, whatever.

So being pissed that Harden gets a lot of assists in one game with no turnovers is really just the luck of that assignment role. Notice Damian Lillard had 0 points in the 3rd quarter this game, that's also not very realistic, and it doesn't even match his rating because his shooting ratings are high! He just also has a lot of other good shooters on the floor, and so the makes got assigned to them (in this case it was Drummond), while the misses got assigned to Dame.

So yeah, maybe Hardens passing rating is a little too high (probably not), but his high passing rating isn't what gave him 17 assists and 0 turnovers. It was a function of team performance and weighted random assignment of box score statistics.

This breakdown is actually really helpful for me at least understanding the sim works so thanks Billy!

I'm not mad about Harden or Drummond so if I gave that impression I'm sorry, I was just making a comment of the observation Kong made and added a little but def not mad or anything.

[Penny Hardaway]

Oct 21, 2020 11:26:54 GMT -5 billy said:

It's important to note that the way the sim works is not how you guys think it does.

Assuming the underlying engine is mostly the same last time I looked at the code, it's not an individual vs individual type of sim.

If you are imagining "James Harden holds the ball. James Harden Passes the ball to Aron Baynes for an Assist". That's not how it happens.

How the sim works is that the player's on the floor for your team are added together.
e.g. Everyone's passing is added together to get the total Team Passing value of your current lineup.
or
e.g. Everyone's stealing is added together
or
e.g. Everyone's ShootingAtRim is added together.

So say Team A has possession of the ball. The sim will have your team take a shot at a location, based on your total team shooting location ratings. So if your total team shooting location is 1000 for AtRim and 900 MidRange, you're going to take 10 shots at the rim for every 9 shots midrange (on average).

This is the kicker:

After a TEAM ACTION happens, it is then assigned to a particular player. Say your shot went in, and the sim decides it was assisted, the sim then looks at the INDIVIDUAL passing ratings for everyone on your team. (Harden 80, Lilliard 70, Player C 50, Player D 40, Player E 10). It then just randomly assigns that assist to one of the player's on the floor based on their ratings.

i.e. If you have a total team passing as indicated above as 80 + 70 + 50 + 40 + 10 = 250, then when your team gets an assist, Harden would have a 80/250 chance to be awarded that assist in the box score.

The same thing happens for turnovers, shots, steals, blocks, whatever.

So being pissed that Harden gets a lot of assists in one game with no turnovers is really just the luck of that assignment role. Notice Damian Lillard had 0 points in the 3rd quarter this game, that's also not very realistic, and it doesn't even match his rating because his shooting ratings are high! He just also has a lot of other good shooters on the floor, and so the makes got assigned to them (in this case it was Drummond), while the misses got assigned to Dame.

So yeah, maybe Hardens passing rating is a little too high (probably not), but his high passing rating isn't what gave him 17 assists and 0 turnovers. It was a function of team performance and weighted random assignment of box score statistics.

Ya so my theory was correct its not about the players its the team stats / ratings. Thats why you guys freak out over my trades lol but ive said 100 times I trade by the sim not IRL rating. I go by teams stats more then player stats put it that way.