billy
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Post by billy on Oct 25, 2020 19:48:26 GMT -5
For GMs that have been around a while, you probably remember Stock Watch. For new GMs, stock watch involved hidden votes of a player's overall and then we would vote on a new overall for the player, with a rating's committee crafting the individual ratings. This will return this coming season in limited form. The changes in the rules from this season can be summarized as follows: Feel free to complain below |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 19:57:08 GMT -5
No complaints, Love This!
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Jackie Kong
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Post by Jackie Kong on Oct 25, 2020 20:09:31 GMT -5
I don't really love having Stock Watches back and I can think of a couple of reasons why I don't but I understand those that prefer it.
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Shaq O'Neal
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Post by Shaq O'Neal on Oct 26, 2020 0:07:43 GMT -5
Not a fan of the Stock Watch idea for the following reasons:
1.Overall has no significance. It is more about how the ratings are distributed.A player could get a better overall and end up having a worse sim build because of the distribution points.
2.I feel like most of the arguments would be based on the player not having the same counting stats as real life. For example someone like Beal or Booker would not put up the same stats as real life alongside players like Simmons Brown and KAT in here.
3.Big market players will get overrated just because they get more media attention.
I wasn't a part of D720 when the Stock Watch system was used so maybe I could be wrong about the possible issues but theoretically these are the issues which would come up .I get that the Alexnoob rosters present some issues too but that still led to less complaints because it was from a third party.Putting in a lot of work and opening other issues would lead to some complaints which would just to lead to the people in charge being frustrated.
Also a suggestion for the Stock Watch system would be to remove the fuzz in the ratings of the base roster(alexnoob rosters) by enabling god mode and changing the rating of one category and reverting it back.For example, Lebron's hHeight to 60 from 59,saving it and then reverting it back to 59 to display the true overall.This would eliminate confusion while asking for a ratings update and the true overall will be on display for everyone.
Edit-Another suggestion is to have a Ratings Committee of sorts so that the workload is not just on one person and the distribution of the ratings is done in a fair way.
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Post by Jackie Kong on Oct 26, 2020 0:37:29 GMT -5
1.Overall has no significance. It is more about how the ratings are distributed.A player could get a better overall and end up having a worse sim build because of the distribution points.
Yes. And I would also agree if you say attributes are actually more important than overall and I do understand a player might not have an attribute but still be close enough to be almost as effective. The thing is that it is possible for a player to have a decent overall and still not be close to getting one. |
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Post by Shaq O'Neal on Oct 26, 2020 0:41:05 GMT -5
1.Overall has no significance. It is more about how the ratings are distributed.A player could get a better overall and end up having a worse sim build because of the distribution points.
Yes. And I would also agree if you say attributes are actually more important than overall and I do understand a player might not have an attribute but still be close enough to be almost as effective. The thing is that it is possible for a player to have a decent overall and still not be close to getting one. This reminds me I would love having the 0.9 attributes displayed again since their value is almost the same as the entire attribute. |
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Steve Jobs
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Post by Steve Jobs on Oct 26, 2020 6:44:45 GMT -5
The primary thing missing from all the dissent here is a crucial factor: Overall IS a distribution of total stat points, even if it isn’t reflective of production. That means that when the league reaches a consensus (or close to it) on the overall ratings of the entire player pool, the league is much more reflective of how those collections of players could perform together on each of our 30 teams.
Attributes and individual ratings ARE more important to a player’s production than overall, but something like stock watch is the simplest way to make sure that the real life talent of the *entire* player pool is, more or less, appropriately reflected in the ratings. Currently, someone could be putting up All-NBA stats and still rated like a border line all-star with minimal attributes. Or a role player putting up solid starter production but rated like a 15th man and completely useless in the sim.
There isn’t really a method to fix either scenario other than to hope that Alexnoob’s next update better reflects the production.
Is stock watch perfect? Absolutely not.
Are stars likely to be considerably OP due to the builds that don’t necessarily reflect their actual skills? Sure, but 1) stars are already extremely disproportionately impactful in RL basketball, and 2) Philly is strong, strong proof that this is a horrible issue with Alexnoob’s rosters as well.
Implementing stock watch again will bring stability and accuracy to the entire player pool that currently doesn’t exist, and the worst side-effect will be continuing an issue that already decided the champion of an entire season. Are there better options? Possibly! We can discuss them here. But would returning to stock watch be a marked improvement for the league. I think everyone who got to experience the league under stock watch would agree it was as or more effective than any of the system we’ve tried since.
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Pete Maravich
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Post by Pete Maravich on Oct 26, 2020 8:26:03 GMT -5
Who is tackling the StockWatch monster is my main question? I recall it became quite a burden.
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Steve Jobs
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Post by Steve Jobs on Oct 26, 2020 9:00:57 GMT -5
I think post-Stock Watch (for the first few months after the game system/ratings for BBGM changed) was the only time it got really bad. Before that, Stock watch was running pretty smoothly with Allan / Billy carrying most of that weight.
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Post by Scott Pilgrim on Oct 26, 2020 9:05:30 GMT -5
y'all teams are trash! thats why the season was decided at the start! stay in yo lane  |
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billy
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Post by billy on Oct 26, 2020 9:44:06 GMT -5
Who is tackling the StockWatch monster is my main question? I recall it became quite a burden. I will be keeping the same basic build that alexnoob has. Say Jevon Carter is rated a 43 in the sim, but people vote him to a 50. I will just add some points to most of the categories that are too low to boost him up. I won't be changing the general style of the build. In the stock watch thread people should mention if one of their individual ratings are wack and it can be fixed. It will be a much simpler process than before when we would completely re-work builds. Alexnoob rosters will be our base. But allowing limited stockwatches should fix the alexnoob outlier issues. |
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Jackie Kong
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Post by Jackie Kong on Oct 29, 2020 10:59:37 GMT -5
account_disabled Yes. I know. I feel the same way about stock watches coming back but what can you do.
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