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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Oct 21, 2015 1:05:05 GMT -5
Toronto receives:
Sixth pick of 2015 NBA Draft
59 Aaron Gordon $3,992,040 $4,171,680 $4,351,320 $5,504,420 $7,260,330
59 Tyler Zeller $1,703,760 $2,616,975 $3,695,168
Total cap sent: $20,068,563
Total received: $5,695,800
Cap before: $72,973,073
Cap after: $58,600,310
Chicago receives:
78 Chris Paul $20,068,563 $21,468,695 $22,868,827 $24,268,959
Total cap sent: $5,695,800
Total received: $20,068,563
Cap before: $34,223,660
Cap after: $54,292,223
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Oct 21, 2015 1:23:47 GMT -5
It is with heavy heart that we accept this trade. Here's why the Toronto Raptors have decided to go a different direction from Chris Paul:
1. We have a lot of roster spots to fill this offseason. We have Morris, Carroll, and Chandler coming off the books, and team options which we plan on declining on AAA and David West. Even if we could bring back all the talent we had last year, we still wouldn't have been a top 4 team in the West this year, how strong of a contender does that make us? And that being said, we are not even remotely close to having enough money this off-season to fill that space.
2. The rookie contract is so valuable in this league. You need guys who can out perform their contracts, and then who you can re-sign with bird rights. Aaron Gordon is a guy who we feel will be successful in this league, he has that Draymond Green skillset and gobs of potential. This season we will play him off the bench, but his time will come. Having him and the sixth pick will give our team some stability, and room to grow at that. Tyler Zeller is a guy who we think is a little underated, he seems to be on par with, say, Brandan Wright, and we expect him to play a similar role on our team, he'll be a depth guy for us. So we get a rotation big, a rookie who will start for us, and a current rotation guy who will be a starter for us in the future, we believe.
3. According to our admittedly rough calculations, we'll be down to a payroll of $31,000,000 for this off-season. That is a lot of money to spend, and we feel we'll be able to lure a big name or two to Toronto in free agency to fill Paul's shoes. We've established a winning culture here, and we're in the weak east, so we feel like we will definitely be able to bring some free agents over. Most importantly, we feel like between the three guys this trade gets us and the upcoming free agency, we will be better off without Chris Paul.
Goodbye CP3, your services were invaluable to us, and we wish you the absolute best.
We accept.
I accept.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Oct 21, 2015 2:26:22 GMT -5
Paul PierceAlso, I'd like to say, I really feel like there's a star on the board who fits my team well. This isn't a tank job, we get two guys with sky high potential and Tyler Zeller, and the rest we'll make up with free agency.
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Paul Pierce
 Chicago Bulls
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Post by Paul Pierce on Oct 21, 2015 5:07:59 GMT -5
I accept . Chris Paul is a natural born leader and I need an great pg. with cp3 and Harris on my team I'm sure I can lure one more Fa to build this team up. I also have pick 20 in the draft and I'm gonna use it to get someone who compliments cp3 on the court. You can never go wrong with getting a 78 ovr player ;)
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billy
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Post by billy on Oct 21, 2015 8:13:54 GMT -5
Damn!
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Post by billy on Oct 21, 2015 8:18:08 GMT -5
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Steve Jobs
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Post by Steve Jobs on Oct 21, 2015 9:36:52 GMT -5
I think trading away good young players for a 30 year old superstar PG is reasonable, I just don't quite understand why the trade would come now for Chicago when the team behind CP3 might still be a year or two away from being a contender even with some more help in Free Agency. Also, from the other side of the coin, I'm not quite sure if I think this package is enough for CP3: nothing is ever guaranteed, but you always want at least at one player that seems like a sure thing to be a future star in return if you choose to trade a superstar like Chris Paul. Aaron Gordon is a decent young guy with good potential about to be stuck on a loaded young roster with the ever-terrible Skiles as his coach, Zeller has never made a good impression on me, and while there are players I personally think could be stars left on the draft board, All of them are obviously rookies who have yet to play a meaningful NBA game in their careers. Call me cynical, but that's not a package that carries the certainty I'd need to trade a star.
Tempted to reject, but I guess I don't really have a problem with the outcome of this trade. Accept.
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Post by Keith Van Horn on Oct 21, 2015 9:48:40 GMT -5
I accept. Not a big CP3 fan or an Aaron Gordon fan. But the value here is good for Paul considering he is on the decline, somewhat, and his salary.
Solid trade.
KVH OUT
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CHI - TOR
Oct 21, 2015 11:01:04 GMT -5
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Post by John Stockton on Oct 21, 2015 11:01:04 GMT -5
Brian has been trying to trade CP3 for a while and this seems to be one of the best offers he had. Solid young prospects and there are some great prospects left in the draft. Accept.
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Post by John Stockton on Oct 21, 2015 11:01:25 GMT -5
I accept. Not a big CP3 fan or an Aaron Gordon fan. But the value here is good for Paul considering he is on the decline, somewhat, and his salary. Solid trade. KVH OUT god dammit youre so kewl |
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Oct 21, 2015 11:53:23 GMT -5
So this is passed?
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billy
Miami Heat
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Post by billy on Oct 21, 2015 12:12:14 GMT -5
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Post by Keith Van Horn on Oct 21, 2015 15:21:45 GMT -5
I accept. Not a big CP3 fan or an Aaron Gordon fan. But the value here is good for Paul considering he is on the decline, somewhat, and his salary. Solid trade. KVH OUT god dammit youre so kewl I really am. If only you knew me like your mom does, you'd know |
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CHI - TOR
Oct 21, 2015 15:23:02 GMT -5
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Post by John Stockton on Oct 21, 2015 15:23:02 GMT -5
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Post by Keith Van Horn on Oct 21, 2015 15:53:21 GMT -5
I accept. Not a big CP3 fan or an Aaron Gordon fan. But the value here is good for Paul considering he is on the decline, somewhat, and his salary. Solid trade. KVH OUT god dammit youre so kewl I really am. If only you knew me like your mom does, you'd know |
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Post by Keith Van Horn on Oct 21, 2015 15:54:10 GMT -5
I accept. Not a big CP3 fan or an Aaron Gordon fan. But the value here is good for Paul considering he is on the decline, somewhat, and his salary. Solid trade. KVH OUT god dammit youre so kewl I am pretty cool. Just go ask your mom about me. |
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Post by Steve Jobs on Oct 21, 2015 16:33:34 GMT -5
I accept. Not a big CP3 fan or an Aaron Gordon fan. But the value here is good for Paul considering he is on the decline, somewhat, and his salary. Solid trade. KVH OUT I have no idea where you got the idea that CP3 was on the decline. Absolutely no statistical evidence exists to back up that argument. |
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Post by Keith Van Horn on Oct 21, 2015 17:41:13 GMT -5
I accept. Not a big CP3 fan or an Aaron Gordon fan. But the value here is good for Paul considering he is on the decline, somewhat, and his salary. Solid trade. KVH OUT god dammit youre so kewl I am pretty cool. Just go ask your mom about me. |
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Post by Keith Van Horn on Oct 21, 2015 17:50:45 GMT -5
I accept. Not a big CP3 fan or an Aaron Gordon fan. But the value here is good for Paul considering he is on the decline, somewhat, and his salary. Solid trade. KVH OUT I have no idea where you got the idea that CP3 was on the decline. Absolutely no statistical evidence exists to back up that argument. Really? It isn't all about stats. Especially in a trade valuation where it is based on opinion. I am not always going to agree with everyone on everything. When I watch the Clippers, I see CP3 a step slower than he once was. If you want to translate that in to stats, look at his steals declining. He is turning 30 this season. Only a select few players are able to continue to play at their current level in to their 30's. Everyone breaks down. CP3 has an injury history. I just see Chris Paul and look at his contract and don't think he will live up to those salary expectations in the coming years. Will he be an All-Star? Most definitely, he is the face of a franchise that is in one of the biggest markets, even though that team has been second fiddle to the Lakers for years. But, I don't think he will be in the Top 5 PG discussion at the end of next season. There's a lot of good PGs out there. And, while Paul may be near the top right now, I don't see him being there at the conclusion of the 2015-2016 season. And when you look at that contract, in its context now, you see top PG money. That's where I think the problem is. If you're paying him like he is the best PG in the league, he needs to perform that way. And most would say Curry was the best PG last season, and Russ was 2nd. It isn't so much as his skills, which will eventually decline and they already have begun if you watch him. But, more so, it is his performance versus salary expectations. And this past season, he didn't win that battle. And he won't in the coming years. It isn't a good contract. I wouldn't want him on my team with that salary, the way the salary cap is currently constructed, irregardless of the coming increases. |
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Post by Steve Jobs on Oct 21, 2015 19:11:55 GMT -5
Any iteration of ~20 pts/10 asts is performing up to his contract expectations as a point guard. When players lose a step, their defense starts to slip. Chris Paul's has not. Plenty of players have been dominant into their 30s, and PGs have the easiest ability to do so over any other position, especially if their game isn't predicated on physical skills over basketball smarts (Paul's game is clearly not based off of immense physical skills like, say, Russell).
He needs only be in the top 3 PGs in the league to be worth a max contract, and just as many people who argued for Curry or Russ would have had their say about Chris Paul still being the best PG in the league last season. It's very much possible that seeing Chris Paul be "a step slower" is an intentional change in his playing style to accommodated as he ages.
But regardless, my entire point here was that basing an evaluation of a trade on Chris Paul "declining," when the only evidence is that he may or may not have lost a step, is just bad practice. His play has remained elite, and he just managed a full 82 game season at 29-30. If you think he's not worth that contract, you should probably feel thoroughly embarrassed at paying 15+ Million to Chandler Parsons.
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Post by Reggie Miller on Oct 21, 2015 19:52:41 GMT -5
roster updated
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