Red Auerbach
 Boston Celtics
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Post by Red Auerbach on Oct 26, 2015 18:21:50 GMT -5
Boston Trades:
PF 73 Dirk Nowitzki $8,333,333 $8,692,184
$8,333,333
Toronto Trades:
C 59 Tyler Zeller $2,616,975 $3,695,168
PF 59 Aaron Gordon $4,171,680 $4,351,320 $5,504,420 $7,260,330
$6,788,655
$6,788,655 x 1.25 = $8,485,818
$8,485,818 > $8,333,333
I accept this trade. I hate to trade Dirk, the future hall of famer. However, I think this is the year Aaron Gordon develops as a star player along side Tobias Harris in Orlando. Tyler Zeller has won the starting center spot for the Boston Celtics. With the development of these two player and Father Time continuing to tick for Dirk Nowitzki this trade should help me out in the future for what it will lack this season.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Oct 26, 2015 19:00:56 GMT -5
I accept.
I want to be able to attract top-tier free agents, and while I'm sad to see Gordon go, I get a star big man (something my team desperately needs), and in all likelihood Gordon will not become the player that Dirk is in this sim. Zeller I will probably lose in RFA next off-season because I don't have his bird rights, so I'm happy to make this trade. Additionally, this now makes my CP3 trade CP3 for Dirk and Stanley Johnson, which sounds good to me. Dirk is also on a very cheap contract for his production, so that only reinforces my confidence in this trade. So between the immediate upgrade and making my team a more attractive free agent destination, this trade is a good one for the Raptors.
Not sure if I've mentioned this, but if anyone wants AAA and West, they're pennies on the dollar. Offer me anything for them.
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Reggie Miller
 Indiana Pacers
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Post by Reggie Miller on Oct 26, 2015 19:22:37 GMT -5
I accept.. Toronto is doing all he can to have a better team.. having Dirk will boost thei frontcourt.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Oct 26, 2015 21:36:19 GMT -5
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Oct 26, 2015 23:37:50 GMT -5
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Steve Jobs
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Post by Steve Jobs on Oct 27, 2015 2:23:15 GMT -5
I don't love it, but I can't reject it. Accept.
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Post by John Stockton on Oct 27, 2015 2:25:41 GMT -5
Brian, how do you have 16 players on your team? Is there an error on the roster page?
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Oct 27, 2015 3:37:36 GMT -5
I guess I do have an extra player? I thought it was okay during the draft... But this trade fixes that...
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Reggie Miller
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Post by Reggie Miller on Oct 27, 2015 3:55:23 GMT -5
some of his players are FA when 2015/16 comes but Billy said that I cannot delete the 2014/15 salaries yet cuase he'll be the one to do that that's why Brian have more than 15 players .. if you would base it on 2015/16 he will only have 10 players with salary
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billy
 Miami Heat
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Post by billy on Oct 27, 2015 8:37:33 GMT -5
Whatever move you made to get to 16 was illegal. Salaries don't roll over until FA starts.
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Post by John Stockton on Oct 27, 2015 9:53:05 GMT -5
yeah this is a mess
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billy
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Post by billy on Oct 27, 2015 9:55:54 GMT -5
meh, i imagine a lot of decisions have been made pending that move being allowed, so i'd rather just let it be. and make sure us TC are better at catching illegal trades! especially since this trade fixes the problem. |
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billy
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Post by billy on Oct 27, 2015 9:56:41 GMT -5
this is dirk dressed up this halloween as lurch btw:  |
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Oct 27, 2015 14:27:49 GMT -5
meh, i imagine a lot of decisions have been made pending that move being allowed, so i'd rather just let it be. and make sure us TC are better at catching illegal trades! especially since this trade fixes the problem. Thank you Billy. Obviously I am a biased party, but I agree. It happened with the CP3 trade, and the solution would just be sending one of my vet mins to Chicago Chicago along with Paul, which hardly makes a difference for either team. If people want justice though I'd be more than happy to send Stockton or Ndoye over, though. |
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billy
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Post by billy on Oct 27, 2015 14:44:41 GMT -5
meh, i imagine a lot of decisions have been made pending that move being allowed, so i'd rather just let it be. and make sure us TC are better at catching illegal trades! especially since this trade fixes the problem. Thank you Billy. Obviously I am a biased party, but I agree. It happened with the CP3 trade, and the solution would just be sending one of my vet mins to Chicago Chicago along with Paul, which hardly makes a difference for either team. If people want justice though I'd be more than happy to send Stockton or Ndoye over, though. I'm definitely of the party that fixing things moving forward is better than screwing a bunch of people retroactively for consistencies sake |
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Post by John Stockton on Oct 27, 2015 19:05:37 GMT -5
i guess you can kinda make the two trades into a three team trade and have the tc be more vigilant about making sure trades are legal before accepting them but owners should try to be more aware of the situation as well to limit this kinda stuff.
as far as this trade goes, i think this is a huge overpay for dirk, as aaron gordon himself is more than fair value for him imo. having said, zeller albeit on the celtics, will have plenty of time and has potential to become a decent contributor.
I'm voting no for this one
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Oct 27, 2015 19:52:54 GMT -5
John Stockton , really? Like, Gordon hasn't been fantastic so far, and Dirk is an actual star who will have great production in this league on a small contract compared with players of similar ratings.
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Post by John Stockton on Oct 27, 2015 20:41:55 GMT -5
There are three things to look at when evaluating trades. Player age, contract and skill.
I know there are several others who share my opinion of Gordon, and really think he could be a star. He's only 20 years old with rest of his rookie contract to play. It wouldn't surprise me in the least to see him put up numbers like 15/8 or better consistently. Dirk's contract is cheap, but he's 37.... Why give up potential of having 10=15 years of Gordon on lock for a player who probably won't be in the league for more than 2 years?
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billy
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Post by billy on Oct 27, 2015 20:43:53 GMT -5
John Stockton , really? Like, Gordon hasn't been fantastic so far, and Dirk is an actual star who will have great production in this league on a small contract compared with players of similar ratings. for the record i agree with john, trading away aaron gordon for a dirk that has maybe 10 months left in him seems bad to me |
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Red Auerbach
Boston Celtics
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Post by Red Auerbach on Oct 27, 2015 22:30:20 GMT -5
Toronto wants to use Dirk to make his team more attractive to free agents.
Tyler Zeller and Aaron Gordon don't have the same draw as Nowitzki.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Oct 27, 2015 23:17:59 GMT -5
Toronto wants to use Dirk to make his team more attractive to free agents. Tyler Zeller and Aaron Gordon don't have the same draw as Nowitzki. Quite right. I feel like having another star that hardly hurts the pocket book gives me an edge in free agency. It would be easy for free agents to find me in disfavor because I traded CP3, but this way I retain the cap relief of that trade, the youthful upside in Johnson, and some star power. After this trade, I could still have room to sign two more stars, which then gives me a ton of leverage over the other teams, especially being in the East. And a MAJOR need of mine is a star big man. I have a lot of roster spots to fill, so I can't afford to not have that edge. After this trade, I can much more confidently make big promises to FAs, which will really help me out. I agree Gordon has a lot of potential, but you can't fault me for not trusting that potential enough to pass up on Dirk. Dirk, Klay, Free Agent makes a super team, and I'll still have cap space for another big name or solid supporting guys. |
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Oct 28, 2015 13:33:49 GMT -5
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Post by Colin Loftin on Oct 28, 2015 21:58:17 GMT -5
I'll accept. Brian is expressly doing it for making his team attractive to free agents in the short term which is a good bet. Nobody knows for sure whether or not Gordon ends up a star, and I think a team trying to contend now should get some leeway in aggressively trying to do so.
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Post by John Stockton on Oct 28, 2015 22:17:33 GMT -5
this passrd yesterday anyway, 24 hr rule applies here
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Post by Colin Loftin on Oct 28, 2015 23:01:41 GMT -5
Ah yes good call. Been super busy the last day and a half so I'm trying to get caught up :)
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Post by John Stockton on Oct 29, 2015 0:07:32 GMT -5
np, tbh i dont think anyone really noticed but me lol
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