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Post by Stuff The Magic Dragon on Apr 21, 2018 19:51:22 GMT -5
kindly remind that analysis It is the 2nd link I posted. bleacherreport.com/articles/1687344-celtics-nets-blockbuster-trade-grading-kevin-garnett-paul-pierce-to-brooklyn well, someone should remind Josh Cohen
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Post by Jackie Kong on Apr 21, 2018 21:18:42 GMT -5
To be fair most people though it was a good deal for Nets at the time. Back then, Deron was decent and stuff and they pictured themselves competing with the Heat. To those who imagined Nets being better than Celtics by now, the swap option was a no factor. Then, Stevens showed up. If it wasn't for Stevens, Celtics probably would still be rebuilding.
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Post by Ben Wallace on Apr 21, 2018 21:36:33 GMT -5
I remember this shit going down. To be fair, Pierce was a big part in beating the Raps in the first round that year. And I think it helped shape the value of draft picks and the mindset of an entire generation of GMs so there's that.
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Post by Jackie Kong on Apr 30, 2018 21:46:47 GMT -5
It seems like Dwane Casey will win Coach of the Year but I really hope it goes to Stevens. Some people fail to acknowledge how much luck Casey had with injuries or the lack of the them during regular season. And he got pretty much the same core from last season. www.espn.com/nba/team/stats/_/name/tor/seasontype/2/cat/gamesPlayedStevens had none of those things and somehow managed to stay on top. I would also pick Snyder over Casey to be honest.
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Post by Justin Timberlake on Apr 30, 2018 21:59:43 GMT -5
Casey was able to revitalize a team that seemed to be on the down slope. He changed the offense and had the best bench which is all really impressive
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Post by Jackie Kong on Apr 30, 2018 22:38:46 GMT -5
Irving missed 22 season games. Top 4 Raptors players in minutes combined for only 17 missed games. Top 8 missed only 45 games.
Top 3 Celtics players in minutes missed 44 games. Not to mention Hayward, Smart and Morris.
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Post by Ben Wallace on May 1, 2018 0:31:08 GMT -5
I would be elated if Casey won COY. We're not going to win any player-centered year end awards, would love to get something.
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Post by Stuff The Magic Dragon on May 1, 2018 1:17:13 GMT -5
Irving missed 22 season games. Top 4 Raptors players in minutes combined for only 17 missed games. Top 8 missed only 45 games. Top 3 Celtics players in minutes missed 44 games. Not to mention Hayward, Smart and Morris. means they are durable. got Stevens as COY too, had a complete re-haul of the roster but still managed to win 55 after al those injuries. to each their own, you can make your case for Casey, Stevens and Snyder. any of the three deserves it. Pop too, make it four.
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Post by Jackie Kong on May 5, 2018 22:21:29 GMT -5
LEBRON! It will be embarrassing if Raptors get swept and Casey wins COY. Did they vote already?
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Post by Ben Wallace on May 5, 2018 23:24:23 GMT -5
COY is a regular season award.
Don't get me wrong, Raps are going to get swept by LeBron.
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Post by Stuff The Magic Dragon on May 6, 2018 0:43:33 GMT -5
Cavs in 5
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Post by White Mamba on May 6, 2018 3:56:22 GMT -5
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Post by Jackie Kong on May 6, 2018 9:24:33 GMT -5
What if Casey and Raptors in mutual agreement decide to part ways before awards ceremony?
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Post by Stuff The Magic Dragon on May 6, 2018 9:36:05 GMT -5
they need to win Game 4, I got the Cavs in 5
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Post by White Mamba on May 6, 2018 12:14:20 GMT -5
What if Casey and Raptors in mutual agreement decide to part ways before awards ceremony? <iframe width="21.32000000000005" height="2.9200000000000017" style="position: absolute; width: 21.32000000000005px; height: 2.9200000000000017px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_98827020" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="21.32000000000005" height="2.9200000000000017" style="position: absolute; width: 21.32px; height: 2.92px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1008px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_25716243" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="21.32000000000005" height="2.9200000000000017" style="position: absolute; width: 21.32px; height: 2.92px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 87px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_74622303" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="21.32000000000005" height="2.9200000000000017" style="position: absolute; width: 21.32px; height: 2.92px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1008px; top: 87px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_56332694" scrolling="no"></iframe> The George Karl special
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Post by Jackie Kong on May 6, 2018 12:33:10 GMT -5
Good find but awards used to be given away between 1st round and 2nd round. This year: Potential Raptors sweep - May 7. NBA awards ceremony - June 25. That's almost 2 months. If it happens, I can only imagine the sort of threads that Raptors fans will start over the realgm board in those months.
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Post by Jackie Kong on May 7, 2018 21:51:33 GMT -5
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Post by Ben Wallace on May 7, 2018 22:41:51 GMT -5
Trust me, this isn't really shocking for us up here. Not a ton of people who actually follow basketball thought things would be different against LeBronto this year.
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Post by Theodore Duncan on May 8, 2018 2:06:44 GMT -5
I really believed in Toronto this year. I thought their bench mob could have been a real difference maker and give an edge against Cavs crappy bench. But for some reason all VFleet, Siakam, Wright, and Poeltl looked really bad and missed ton of open shots and making turnovers that you didn't see during the season.
For Cavs the turning point imo has been actually giving Korver more time. His chemistry with Lebron is amazing. It opens up the whole offense. But most likely Rockets or Warriors are gonna feast on Korver in pick-and-roll. I think Boston will give Lebron a tight series also. Could be easily 7 games
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Post by Jackie Kong on May 9, 2018 13:26:23 GMT -5
Want Paul George to apologize to Pacers' fans and ask to come back with a possibly pay cut. Probably a long shot but I think it would be really cool if it happens.
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Post by billy on May 9, 2018 20:28:16 GMT -5
i hate the warriors
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Post by Stuff The Magic Dragon on May 10, 2018 5:55:46 GMT -5
"been a true warriors fan since 2015"
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Post by Ben Wallace on May 10, 2018 17:03:25 GMT -5
I badly want Warriors-Cavs IV and even V, VI, VII, etc. so NBA has to ask some difficult questions and rethink this stupid fucking structure that rewards the process.
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Post by Allan Houston on May 10, 2018 18:26:45 GMT -5
Neither of those teams were built with the process? The structural issues that lead to the Warriors and Cavs are (i) that the NBPA opposed cap smoothing which gave the Warriors an insane 1 season window of cap space that happened to coincide with KD's free agency. But that's just history now; nothing that can be changed. And (ii) the max salary that deflates the salaries of LeBron, KD and Steph. I'd be happy to see it gone, but understandable why the NBAPA and the NBA are both ok with. The NBA bc the GMs are dumb and want to protect themselves from themselves. The NBPA because most of their long-term constituency is mid-level players who benefit from the artificial cap on max salaries.
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Post by Jackie Kong on May 10, 2018 20:05:11 GMT -5
Warriors were great before Durant through.
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Post by Allan Houston on May 10, 2018 21:45:01 GMT -5
Yea, but they took advantage of no identifiable structural issues that I can think of then.
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Post by Jackie Kong on May 11, 2018 10:42:00 GMT -5
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Post by Ben Wallace on May 11, 2018 12:49:24 GMT -5
Neither of those teams were built with the process? The structural issues that lead to the Warriors and Cavs are (i) that the NBPA opposed cap smoothing which gave the Warriors an insane 1 season window of cap space that happened to coincide with KD's free agency. But that's just history now; nothing that can be changed. And (ii) the max salary that deflates the salaries of LeBron, KD and Steph. I'd be happy to see it gone, but understandable why the NBAPA and the NBA are both ok with. The NBA bc the GMs are dumb and want to protect themselves from themselves. The NBPA because most of their long-term constituency is mid-level players who benefit from the artificial cap on max salaries. No, I didn't mean that those two teams were built through the process. It's just frustrating to see the same teams win over and over again, we knew that GSW, HOU, and CLE were the strongest teams as early as last summer. And in the current landscape due largely in part to the CBA the only legitimate way to ensure continued success is to tank. This is obviously not unique to the NBA as a league, but it feels as if leagues have become increasingly stratified in recent years because of the way we incentivize losing (I believe it's true in the MLB at least, there are far less middle-ground teams now than before, can't remember what the 538 article was). It's so fucking stupid, there's no other industry in the world where incompetence is rewarded. The NBA is entertainment above anything else, but when fans suffer both monetarily and emotionally due to intentionally putting a horrible product on the floor, it's really not entertaining. I'm not condemning tanking, it's smart to tank due to the current rule structure the NBA has, and GMs and front offices should be trying to exploit the system the best they can to deliver championships to their cities and fans, but the rule structure that makes tanking the most viable route to victory is bullshit. Front offices and fans are a lot smarter now than they were 30 years ago. I loved The Process and I hope that more and more teams tank and either become useless fucking Magikarp for a decade like Phoenix or come out and dominate solely due to tanking like Philadelphia so that there are only 2 teams left that are actually trying to win in the playoffs so the NBA decides to restructure the entire notion of awarding terrible teams. I guess that was my point in my original post but I'm just ranting here, don't really know what I was trying to say originally. If it were up to me, I'd give the 1st overall pick to the 9th place team and go backward from there, of course that system would have its own problems, but I'd rather see teams actually trying to win rather than shit out 0-82 seasons and make up risks like "uh-oh what if we can't cultivate a winning culture? See, we're taking risks too!". The playoff race in the West was so fun this year, but that should be the norm every year in my opinion because it was fueled by one thing. Trying to win every game, trying to, you know, do your job well. Anyways, yes, lack of cap smoothing turned out to be a problem. I saw a new NBA fan on reddit ask why DeRozan was being payed 26 mil when LeBron was being payed 33 mil and whether he was taking a huge paycut because he should be earning double DD's salary lol.
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Post by billy on May 11, 2018 13:55:29 GMT -5
Neither of those teams were built with the process? The structural issues that lead to the Warriors and Cavs are (i) that the NBPA opposed cap smoothing which gave the Warriors an insane 1 season window of cap space that happened to coincide with KD's free agency. But that's just history now; nothing that can be changed. And (ii) the max salary that deflates the salaries of LeBron, KD and Steph. I'd be happy to see it gone, but understandable why the NBAPA and the NBA are both ok with. The NBA bc the GMs are dumb and want to protect themselves from themselves. The NBPA because most of their long-term constituency is mid-level players who benefit from the artificial cap on max salaries. No, I didn't mean that those two teams were built through the process. It's just frustrating to see the same teams win over and over again, we knew that GSW, HOU, and CLE were the strongest teams as early as last summer. And in the current landscape due largely in part to the CBA the only legitimate way to ensure continued success is to tank. This is obviously not unique to the NBA as a league, but it feels as if leagues have become increasingly stratified in recent years because of the way we incentivize losing (I believe it's true in the MLB at least, there are far less middle-ground teams now than before, can't remember what the 538 article was). It's so fucking stupid, there's no other industry in the world where incompetence is rewarded. The NBA is entertainment above anything else, but when fans suffer both monetarily and emotionally due to intentionally putting a horrible product on the floor, it's really not entertaining. I'm not condemning tanking, it's smart to tank due to the current rule structure the NBA has, and GMs and front offices should be trying to exploit the system the best they can to deliver championships to their cities and fans, but the rule structure that makes tanking the most viable route to victory is bullshit. Front offices and fans are a lot smarter now than they were 30 years ago. I loved The Process and I hope that more and more teams tank and either become useless fucking Magikarp for a decade like Phoenix or come out and dominate solely due to tanking like Philadelphia so that there are only 2 teams left that are actually trying to win in the playoffs so the NBA decides to restructure the entire notion of awarding terrible teams. I guess that was my point in my original post but I'm just ranting here, don't really know what I was trying to say originally. If it were up to me, I'd give the 1st overall pick to the 9th place team and go backward from there, of course that system would have its own problems, but I'd rather see teams actually trying to win rather than shit out 0-82 seasons and make up risks like "uh-oh what if we can't cultivate a winning culture? See, we're taking risks too!". The playoff race in the West was so fun this year, but that should be the norm every year in my opinion because it was fueled by one thing. Trying to win every game, trying to, you know, do your job well. Anyways, yes, lack of cap smoothing turned out to be a problem. I saw a new NBA fan on reddit ask why DeRozan was being payed 26 mil when LeBron was being payed 33 mil and whether he was taking a huge paycut because he should be earning double DD's salary lol. That's what I thought you were referring to. Both of you are right imo. The combination of tanking + the max salary has created a perfect storm of terrible TV
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